Sports car market 2023 in crisis? Insights in our Q&A
370,000 euros for a vehicle who can afford that? 987.2 top or flop? what is your opinion on the 991.2 Turbo S Exclusive? what about the 718 Spyder RS? Never heard so much bs you should change industries! is this self-promotion? The clientele that can afford a sports car dies! this video is only used to scare sellers in order to get a cheap purchase price! you ask us questions we give the answers. you can see our last video you here "five reasons
why the sports car market is broken in 2023" has polarized, I think we can say that, got very good feedback on the one hand but also polarized on the other hand. today we want to answer your questions. We will therefore go into the case studies that you have given us and we will now move into the market again we look at the models and work out trends how they will develop in pricing and if you have any questions or if you want to sell your vehicle or a free non-binding evaluation we are happy to help you out.
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Comment here from the "DME28": Is self-promotion or like the video I do not understand I have mine Get a GT3 with 10x fewer kilometers for the same price as the cars shown **** would buy a GT3 with 30,000 km for 175,000 euros, so that's several points now First of all 10x fewer kilometers would now mean that a vehicle between 2000 and 3000 km and for the same course then means about 165-170 000 € and that is in the Indeed a very good course and since one can only congratulate for the purchase next comment "HarryKressel1251" obviously quite impractical I only now have my 991 gt3 RS with me 9000 km after 6 years sold for €20,000 more than new price my good friend had the same one Success actually sold is what you get on the market and that's where the prices are still at new car level or above yes at the point you can only wish congratulations if here 20,000 euros above the new price has been achieved and it is actually possible but there has to be you can look at the whole thing in a very differentiated way and it certainly doesn't apply to everyone 991 GT3 RS but let's break down everything that the user has written and initially wants I just push ahead that somewhere the exception ultimately also confirms the rule and if such a vehicle is now a PTS, a pain to sample individual paint job it is quite possible to get a kiss like that in 2023 and you have to take into account the user now says here he bought the vehicle immediately six years ago yes there were several Price increases for the 991 RS and depending on when the vehicle was advertised has was only between 5 and 10% cheaper than the list price and then of course the young vehicles are particularly suitable for selling them today above the original price the later ones, yes, it will be very difficult to achieve such a course "Burgholte" writes Familiar sold his 992 GT3 Touring PTS for 220 within two months a few months ago Days sold yes I understand we would have bought it for 220 that is even for a dealer The vehicles have a realistic purchase value of 10,000 euros and 2022 with a pain to sample good equipment such a car was around list price 210 now two 2023 this is Vehicle list price already at 225-230,000 euros and therefore clearly 220,000 euros is a good one However, the proceeds from the sale are also very market-driven and I claim there are sometimes maybe even 10-15000 € more in it, at least as a dealer. "MaxDoemannyj1Wz" writes Rolex watches are already being liquidated if you have money and Immos also buy a car as an investment difficult you have to buy absolute rarities is also our opinion a car really true a return on the clean calculated return after inflation opportunity costs and so on to tell you have to be very selective and then you can act in a relatively high price segment To make it work in the masses we need to receive rather of value or of little Fall in value speak "NordpolKeks" writes have a 991 GT3 Touring for 180,000 € with 4000 km bought three months ago in the Porsche center with two years Approved good price sounds good at first we don't know the equipment now purely from the mileage I also assume it now that it's not like two previous owners it's a normal level of touring you have to have always looking at what is important for many are the full bucket seats if not they should 18 ways adaptive sports seats are the lift function for the front axle and that too full leather package for the door panel and dashboard, these are the important things and the LED or that Porsche dynamic lighting plus that's the icing on the cake again, but here we go once in the market and the touring has been incredibly exciting for the last few years Vehicle simply because the number of pieces was significantly lower than the GT3 with wings the touring was introduced after the 991 R with the manual transmission and we're going now here also vehicles up to 40,000 km above that I would no longer consider in GT3 and then we'll put in the manual transmission and as an addition we'll write "Tour" after it then we also find the Touring here and we see 23 offers here that's really very manageable we already have over 100 pieces for the wing for the vehicle with wing and the first vehicles here with repaired accident damage, we won't go into that, but then here in Saarbrücken a black touring that now has the LED here, I also said the 18 Away seats the door panel package for 168,000 euros at 22,000 km is a normal normal course here as new or 169,000 euros 3700 km that's really cheap because of what that is now, I wonder He also has a leather package, full bucket seats, lift, and we can now imagine that it is an import vehicle but it also says it is a German vehicle I find the price very very exciting because you can definitely strike there yes, here we come further 170,000 and very quickly we are here at 180 yes here with 1000 km So 180,000 euros I'm sure a course today for such a vehicle even with a good one Furnishings is still trainable as a dealer sale value as privately it certainly will difficult to redeem such a course but with a specialist dealer or sports car dealer it is certainly a course that achieves €370,000 for a vehicle who can afford it look let's take a look at the special model policy of Porsche or Ferrari that goes under 300 000 € nothing more and the vehicles are mass-produced every second month it feels like a new special model and everyone finds their buyers and also in the secondary market they are their buyers and this in itself speaks against the thesis that there are few people who put themselves in that way On the contrary, it feels like there are more and more of them, perhaps but there are also fewer and fewer vehicles that you can afford somewhere in the lower segment can the clientele that I can afford a sports car who already earns 60 to 80,000 Euro gross annually nowadays, so in this structure we are actually not in yet the area where the sports cars are typically bought is the 911 but it used to be for us also difficult to fathom there are really a lot of people everywhere in Germany too Europe, yes, those who can afford such vehicles and we also believe and we hope too that it will continue to be like this in the future and we are very positive about this Vehicles will continue to go to the right people in the future, sometimes that's a big deal where we also believe that is that is not understandable for many "Herrdj6607" writes 987.2 and dot two always stands for the non-Porsche enthusiasts for the facelift variant, the last sucker is top or flop, one can only say how also with the 997 absolutely top the vehicles have held up very well, especially in said that but quite low entry price one could tell very good returns and like the 997, this is a series that has really developed very well and quite a bit Of course, the top variants in particular always have upward potential special configuration rare colors and it's definitely worth getting into in this segment yes I would say let's go into the market 987.2 there in particular Cayman S or the Cayman R extremely rare two very exciting vehicles and so the the facelift models in the top version are certainly the ones that are very exciting there I have now pre-filtered the facelift model from 2009 up to 75,000 km, that's halfway collectible I stay yes and then just from the Cayman S to the R say from 320 hp and see here we've been quite important indicator 15 vehicles that's really nothing since I've now too Expected much more and then we'll take a look where the vehicles are currently located here Let's skip Italy is the Zentrum Rheinland came S with PDK Sport Chrono 46,990 euros certainly very exciting then it is already heading towards 50,000 and very quickly are only at 60,000 euros which is a lot then I get a 997 pre-facelift in a very reasonable yes equipment and also mileage that's really quite a lot then let's go further Cayman R for 68,000 euros that is certainly from driving but also from the number of pieces extremely interesting vehicle you have to Of course, asking the question, I'll get in here today with 70,000 euros I think I can you already do because the new 81 GT4 is the immediate successor to the 20 though somewhere in the row it is traded for around 100,000 euros and then also here sitting in the bowls and all that speaks quite a lot for the fact that we are here in the future we will train another tool, so if it were to come, I would recommend it So it actually comes I have to make the package myself, just fine, I have to agree with him pronounced that in French and it's not the only comment next comment war you one eight seven what is your opinion on the 991.2 Turbo S exclusive yes I have that a very simple opinion without looking at the market the vehicle is missing from the drive train the differentiation from the normal troop s clearly has more power and clearly there is one or the other different technical sophistication but we are talking about a fundamentally the same conception and here as a limited edition with almost € 200,000 higher call price yes Turbo S Facelift 150 to 170 tuba is exclusively 330 to 380 yes I simply lack the differentiating feature that a situation similar to that of the 991r and touring arose, yes, that of the new F R was listened to as a naturally aspirated manual transmission with a mass flywheel after that came the Touring and it just didn't do the new FR any good and we clearly see the same opinion here You can't buy it as an investment at all, but you can buy two great vehicles from Maranello to drive 365 GTB 4 and 512 Baby BB so both here the the Boxer meant the vehicles for we don't talk about that, by the way, i see the vehicles as in the current market environment rather uninteresting, especially 512 BB and BBI are vehicles that are not big at all Looking forward to demand we have now received 360 Challenge radale for 30 Skoda vehicles between 2010 peak sports car construction few regulations good sound little vehicles the last years have performed incredibly well and there will also be a video novox traveler 1467 writes you see the Cayman GT4 GTS 4.0 cheaper in the future so it is currently offered yes
Cayman GTS 4.0 is a vehicle that is interesting from the motorization at the same time but also not the top model and in the short to medium term I actually count on it that the vehicle will be corrected again after we can imagine that there are some Percentage points the next 12 24 months are possible think quite 10% decline in call prices is a realistic scenario and if we go into the market here that the Cayman GTS 40 has 400 hp instead of 420 again GT4 very 50 vehicles are around 90,000 euros here would be the recommendation if he wants to go shopping, take a PDK and sew them with the full shells if possible and in the full leather package then it is a configuration that also appeals to a buyer who wants to GT4 maybe budget can't or won't muster and here im almost identical Vehicle gets much less money and it is a resale variant that is great Works best in the muted color Agate Gray Black Silver you name it these are the colors that just work well and then it's a vehicle that feels like driving super suitable and at very little loss will have PO Box DM what about the 718 Spyder S3 stable or not buy we get one in any case you are welcome to buy from us sell connect that will definitely be in the vehicle that I above the new price next time we will act at the beginning, we estimate, to be so certain of the hype that there are 40 to 60 A premium of 70,000 euros can be achieved, but I also recommend fullspack really Weissach Paket here Magnesium rims select everything to have a high list price then it really is a vehicle of a resale can also be represented very well yes and the price development will be in the long term, even if it's over, we can see it here with the gt4s too is still paid above original price that the vehicle is kept at a very high level will and I think it will probably be the last open rear mid-engine sucker in the highest version you can buy a very clear recommendation unconditionally buy above list price in our view this video is only there to change seller and Getting a cheap purchase price was by no means our intention at all not at all like buying the cars via this video actually got us a thing or two offered but we always work in line with the market we work with a usual margin and above all Things we also communicate to the seller in the vast majority of cases or dealers sold the vehicle is what we pay for, so we value transparency here too and we actually wanted more the customers or people who are in the market for such a vehicle are informed and not unsettling and they bring your vehicle to us cheaply So definitely not for sale to the 6103, thanks for the interesting video, thank you too for the good feedback i will keep shopping as 917 carreras wait or buy now at all Buy cases now why not the vehicles are among the absolute winners at the 997.2 Variant maybe also the 4S or GTS if the budget is a bit bigger but the Carrera S as a pure vehicle maybe with the manual transmission and then I would be here Also look with the vehicle with less than 70,000 km then you should be between 70 and 80,000 euros find another vehicle and we believe that it definitely has potential and above all the value for money is already great Felix Pfister 7172 writes thanks for that insightful video I would like to grow from another 1.1 but I'm not
willing to spend over €60,000 my room get a vehicle for the money you pay It's not fun, so it's definitely not €60,000 for Neuner one, no matter which model, how much kilometers not recommended we are talking about a US import with researchers, if at all and high mileage you won't be able to clean yourself up for 60,000 euros 997.2 facelift difficult yes if at all you in the basic variant but also I wouldn't So grab 60,000 euros I would go there 907.1 Carrera S switch kilometers mileage you have to make a compromise here too 70 80 000 km plus we are also talking here in the meantime but this is a vehicle that is certainly right in the price segment and that too has good potential and the 991 is best not to think any further here without on the 997 go or, as just shown, have a 981 Cayman Cayman S or Boxer Spider-Man in the This is also a significantly more interesting vehicle than an off-the-shelf 991 with plenty of region performance silvec writes what happens to the boxer 981 stability i.e. price stability or under with the price very interesting vehicle as well as the new 87 Cayman here have the top Variants as a facelift version and especially the new 81 Spider are in great demand is a vehicle and we would recommend you to buy one now, it will certainly be the Boxer Spider RS had 375 hp we see here only 22 vehicles and in terms of price, the cars here are the first vehicles in France in Switzerland, let's skip here the first German vehicle between 95 and 110 000 € settled so absolutely comparable with the 981 GT4 and we look here as an example once two vehicles on here from only owns with 24,000 km the vehicle has the bucket seats and also the leather covering of the dashboard and the door panels the Interio package carbon very much successful configuration from the mileage somewhere for us on the limit I would here to respond with a little less mileage such as this one here, however, it is already there he has it classic-intere package in Bordeaux that must please you I would rather go for one here In my opinion, a more muted color is a gift to the circle of interested parties sells one unnecessarily and would not be my choice here but this one from private I think configured very successfully we have the bucket seats we have the interior package Carbon dashboard door panels covered with contrast leather take rodium silver or GT silver I can't quite tell now and from the mileage with 12000 km and a great range and to top it off, we'd prefer the new 81 to the 718 Spyder because simple the production quantity is much lower the sound is better and also when driving yes the vehicle no rear-axle steering it is really a pure vehicle and uh our absolute Recommendation the next comment of welcome in front of the flight deck I'm interested so far on a 718 Cayman GT4 or gt4s you can also call up a statement and make market prices very happy 718 Cayman GT4 is about 20,000 euros higher than the new 81 GT4 or called the 718 GT4 there are a few things that you should absolutely take into account new 81 GT4 only came with manual gearbox the 718 came with manual gearbox and PDK and it's easy so that most buyers at 718 a PDK wool and the PDK are moderately better and heard prices therefore also sells when he buys PDK full bucket seats glass sport package see that it's full of leather and LED maybe has a cool color combo somehow oh has gray with it inside with inside the full shells sit with the seams in GT silver metallic in the direction maybe with the PCB then you really have a mega car that's also super easy in too little Days weeks you can resell it, have little loss of value and just keep going sell super simple easy cool vehicle only with the GT4 RS we can also make a statement there you will also find our video on the page here we have only configured a vehicle and have some have already been sold and we have now had an increase in the list price of the gt4s The last ride we have sold has a list price of €210,000 with a white package Ceramic brake system and the magnesium rims Hammer station wagon and this vehicle can be for 240 50,000 € are already sold and in normal bacon 10 to 20 more than the original price is actually for the vehicle easily with cool purpose can also be much more Momo 902 for the 911 Turbo S9 or two customers stand in line the model looks very good prices yes that used to be the case now it is not more so we have also reviewed some 992 Turbo S weeks the vehicles have in addition to list price between 250 and 280-90,000 euros as a coupé, depending on which model year and what equipment and the vehicles are now being traded well below the list price and the The last one we offered was I think the list price was 260 and we have it on sale still seen at 225 so the turbo it was and probably never will be Invest and from that I can't confirm the statement now so the next comment from Eric vs the market is constantly increasing when some prices seem unrealistic are such cars in a few years the video is worth €500,000 instead of €160 if you can of course see it that way if it should apply to the vehicles shown then yes then I think we would the vehicles no longer selling now but will keep until next year or a few years we believe however, that we are in a segment where we are not multiplying current rates but rather speak of a clear decline in value over the next few years as estimated you the price development of Cayman 981s but also with Corvette so Corvette we can not judge but the near 81 is an exciting vehicle either here it or in the in the GT4 Variant can be quite interesting I would clearly give the Cayman GT4 if the budget then allows a vehicle to sit with full shells and then take a klappshot package full of leather you are here in a very, very good environment to experience a value but also to grow who likes it because of potential we go here again into the market for the Cayman GT4 and 81 the vehicle has 385 hp go in here because of rounding errors and then see Let's look at a few vehicles here, let's look at those with a lower mileage and here we see Kraftsport full shells in white 35,000 km 93,000 euros is now from the mileage something so high to collect especially if you still would like to drive myself and here the leather package is actually missing, but for that just a fairly cheap entry lead GT4 because we go a little further two of the hand 11,000 km already like them better suited and here ever the interior yes, these are now the normal seats in it, no leather, I would not advise them either incredibly difficult with Porsche apart from the classics with the new 81 with the 991 992 a color where where we find it incredibly difficult and they just don't have too many buyers so here 9000 km appeals to €2000, which incidentally also cost something new for the vehicles we have the full shell seats here we have the klappsport package and a very good one Mileage absolutely fair market price the vehicles traded around 100,000 euros and it is a great example mg9146 writes how she writes the whole thing from not too expensive sports cars eg 53 AMG coupe price around 70,000 € also so unsaleable 3 years very good video many Thanks by no means unsaleable but the E53 we also speak of one of the one The six-cylinder unit was already installed in the predecessor with a few modifications So with the new model there is absolutely no reason why this vehicle should go up there will be a successor who will in turn carry a similar unit and then this vehicle can only fall at Mercedes I think what can be exciting is maybe the c63205 variant than as a sedan with the performance seats with the carbon package is mentally cool Depending on what happens with the new C63, the car has now come as a four-cylinder with hybrid the car fails to be more or less flopped now you can already hear 26 should come again V8 depends on the piece but in any case the 204er with the 62 liter sucker that's the vehicle where I would focus on this segment and we think so there will always be real value to wax as well and not just at the C-class of it's then also the 22er E-class affected the CL all other vehicles think that very much interesting but just the C-Class Limo rarely heard so much shot young you should the industry change yes i think i have to seriously think about it after reading this last question that was still to be done today and um, it aims at the deductible value added tax for GTV vehicles for those who do not know there are two types of taxation in the vehicle trade one is the differential taxation that always comes about when the vehicle was immediately owned by a private owner or the entrepreneur is not subject to VAT is then subject to the so-called margin taxation of the vehicle not be bought at the net price there is no 19% on the purchase price but gross equal to net why if a vehicle was bought by an entrepreneur or in a company with VAT can be shown, especially if you do that want to export a vehicle and achieve a high price there, for example in France are the markers much higher then it is absolutely important VAT or VAT Preservation is a very crucial criterion when selling any vehicle over 100,000 Euro and the more expensive it is, the more decisive is the value-added tax factor We are always looking for customers who also currently have vehicles that may we will be happy to support you close thanks for your questions if you If you have any more write them in the comments like or subscribe if there are any questions yes do not want to have it public write us an e-mail call us we will answer you we will be happy to advise you in every respect whether you are buying or selling or how to buy a car should buy we look forward to your message ciao see you next time