The Shocking Florida Machete Murder

The Shocking Florida Machete Murder

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This. Week on BuzzFeed absolved we take a look into the Florida machete murder about Thalia pond South Winsley in our continuing, exploration into. Why Florida is the way that it is it, is a unique place with some funny stories coming out of it they have the magical world of Harry Potter or, the is it the Wizarding World what about Miami Beach baby yeah, sure Miami Beach never been yeah. You don't seem like a Miami Beach type anyways, we're here to talk about a machete murder and also, we have talked about Florida in the past we investigated, that lady who exploded in her living room I loved, that lady, you, did I mean I didn't know it. Was the size of a tiny little teaspoon, or a tea cup anyways. Let's get into it, born. Into a life of privilege, Adelie upon sale Linsley was a former Broadway actress model, inventor. Real estate agent and author, she. Was according, to her detractors, in the Orlando Sentinel a sharp tongued aggressive, woman who quote would not have won any popularity contests. End quote, indeed. In 1970. At Bally I ran for Florida Legislature, and lost, I. Feel. Like a mark of true success is when you have detractors, that's. A wonderful thing like when you get haters oh yeah that's like a the. Old way to say that yeah yeah yeah I would love some haters yeah. I'd love some haters too why don't you take a long walk down a short pier, I like it well that's too general, and too, hypothetical I like what he gets pointed, like oh I hate his stupid beady, eyes. Rooster. Rooster. Look. At that a little surf wave on his head I'm gonna go I'm, gonna get my little boogie board and surf that in the morning, in 1973. Adalia. Married James Linsley, a real estate agent, and the former mayor of st. Augustine, Florida where italia' lived at the time while, they were married in September, by the next January, the two still lived in separate, homes, Elia, was trying to sell the house she was living in and didn't, want to leave it unoccupied before. Moving to her new husband's, home she, never got the opportunity now. It is funny that they are both real estate agents, and they cannot sell their house. You. Know you know maybe. They're just not that good at their jobs or maybe. Just maybe no. One wants to live in Florida I'm just imagining a bunch of people going do you you need a buy a house here's like I'm a real estate agent - do you want to buy a house here and that's just a big feedback loop I see whatever I ask your real, estate agent selling.

Real. Estate to other real estate I. Know you're ripping me off but I already have asked on January. 23rd. 1974. Between, 6:00 and 6:15, p.m., the, 56, year old Athaliah went outside to, walk her pet blue jay Clementine. She's. Taking her bird for a walk I loved that I had a wonderful little bird I understand, we all know you kept your bird in a freezer for two years the ground was hard we couldn't bury him yet for two years no it wasn't two years it was just over the harsh Chicago. Winter when the ground thawed we buried him in the garden we all know you ate that bird, we. All know ate a parrot, you did date, a parrot I loved him I'm done talking about my parrot. Not. Entertaining, with this. On. Her porch she encountered, a man wielding a machete who, proceeded, to hack her to death by. The time police arrived, athelia, had been nearly decapitated. Police, chief Virgil, Stewart said quote she, was dead when we got there she had, been badly butchered, her head was almost cut off and quote, clementine, the blue jay was, never seen again do, you think, this. Person maybe. Was. Clementines, original, owner and just wanted to the bird back I did not consider that possibility it's, actually not even in my theories well. It. Wouldn't be the first time you've glossed, over things well I do think, it's a bit of a jump to say hey that's my parrot I think, your head doesn't look good on your shoulders anymore so we know you're not one to jump to conclusions I don't do, haughty you, use only if I have some facts behind a big boy. Take. Away a. Neighbor. 19-year. Old lock McCormick, said he could hear a Dahlia screams from his house when, he went to check on Italia he discovered, her butchered body he, told police he saw a 40 to 60 year old man. A white, shirt and dark, pants walking, away from the house a witness, reported that there was blood in the grass quote, leading, all around the south side of the house and quote, at one, point a police, officer ordered the ambulance, attendants, to hose down the blood that, fly in the face of like, crime scene investigation. This hose everything. Maybe. Let's get this evidence out of here all. Right now I could think clearly. The. Sheriff offered a $500. Reward to, anyone with information on, the case On February, 17th. 1974. A County, mechanic, named Dewey Lee said, he'd searched the marshes, one mile from Linz Lee's home and discovered. A machete, and a package, containing a bloodied white shirt dark, pants a watch, and a pair of shoes after, a Thalia's, death Frances. Bemis a 70, year old retired department. Store public relations, exec and fashion, consultant told. Her friends that she knew something about the murder Bemis. Who was reportedly a friend, of Italia's was even said to have been collaborating with a writer on a book about Italia, after her death she did not seem afraid when Italia turned up slain telling. The st. Augustine record, quote I think st. Augustine, is the safest place I have ever lived I go out walking at night and will continue to do so I went out walking the same night that the murder took place end quote, I don't know what I'd make of that if you if this grisly, murder had occurred and, will and a woman just proudly, proclaimed, like well, I'm not afraid, maybe. If she knew her, well it's, her way of saying like well she must have been into something dirty baby that.

Kind Of stuff doesn't happen around here and let me show ya I'm gonna go on a walk right, now yeah Frances, indeed, continued to go walking at night including. On November, 3rd, 1974. A little over nine months after Italia, was murdered the, next day not far from where Italia, was murdered a man, walking his dog found Frances, dead in a vacant lot oh, no. What. That's unfortunately. The old picture, app on Frances Bemis oh oh. You. Know she, died doing what she loved she, did died. Doing what she loved, and look if, you're an old lady and this killer has already killed an old lady with something, as simple as a machete this, is not the zodiac it's not someone who's you, know pulling, a lot of strings and putting a lot of production, design into their work it's just walking up to some with a machete yeah on. The flip side of that - like do you won't challenge them who are you also like, making. Yourself a big man out to be yeah like ye oh you murdered, an old lady with a machete that's great Wow you must be really dangerous man, it's not like he murdered Macho Man Randy Savage out, there it's a it's, an old lady yeah, so. Uh good, for him I guess she, had apparently been clobbered repeatedly, with a stone block. She was semi-nude with most of her clothes having been ripped off though, an autopsy report found no indication, of rape an, account by the New York Daily News noted. That her body had been burned as though, a killer had tried to destroy the corpse. Another. Thing about this one is the the, attempt, to destroy. The evidence destroy, the body by burning it yeah, and then him going didn't, work right, so just, we could just, leave I guess I'll just be evidence, well we already know what they do what evidence hose off. Police. Chief Virgil, Stewart did not believe there was a connection between Francis, and Natalia's murders at the time with, two women violently, dead in st. Augustine Florida in 1974. It's, time to, dive into the theories the, first theory is that Italia's husband, james Linsley was responsible, for her murder, James, was an easygoing, real-estate agent, who had served two terms as mayor of st. Augustine, though, they lived in separate homes James, said they did not have marital problems.

Adalia. However, had sent letters to her sister showing them were having issues quote. Jimmy, is a completely, a complete, liar end quote, she wrote in one letter she also said she changed the locks of her house there, was also gossip, among community, members that the crime scene was hosed down too heck James's involvement, according. To Elizabeth Randall, author of a book detailing Italia's, murder James, complained, about how many rumors, flew around the town Florida. Seems like a gossipy, state yeah, Oh what. Else he gonna do there you're trapped by, swamp. And Gators, yeah, you're essentially just left, to your own devices yeah, why'd you just spread some funny rumors whisper, storm baby, maybe rumors that are rumors like you eating that bird. If. You don't stop this bit I'm gonna you're. Gonna cut my head off with a machete I didn't, say that in testimony. At a dahlias, murder trial though interestingly not, a trial prosecuting, James more on that in a bit James, told the jury that he owned a machete resembling, the one used to kill his wife he, usually kept, it in the trunk of his car using. It to hack at undergrowth, while looking at properties, for his real estate job after, at dahlias murder he turned the machete over, to police at that time, it was common for residents, in the county to own one or two machetes, used, to fight back against, the Florida fauna at the trial James was shown the machete that was used on his wife James. Could not confirm, whether it was his telling, the judge quote all machetes. Look alike to me end quote, I think it's important, to say that because I imagine, people who are watching this they were imagining, Jason Voorhees murdering, this lady yeah but in reality everyone had a machete so it could have been Jim go to church on Sunday, the priest to stand up there with machete he's using it as a pointer yeah using it they're using it throwing holy water. They're. Using it to point out items, on PowerPoint, presentations. Everyone has a machete that makes sense according. To Randall's, book there was a gap of around 15 to 25, minutes in James's, palaboy, it, supposedly, occurred between the time James drove home from the grocery store where he had been shopping with a Dahlia and the time he drove back to his own home Randall. Posits, that James had enough time to drive to Italia's, house during that period. Unfortunate. That if you just have like a 20 minute gap in your schedule where no one's that sees, you, suddenly. You're open to being, a murderer, yeah. That, is true I usually takes me about 20 minutes to cook my dinner usually and because of that I'm a murder you're a murderer the, second, theory is Italia's, neighbor allen Stanford murdered, her in the culmination of a months long feud, according. To the New York Daily News Italia. Loved animals and took many in including. Noisy dogs and even at one point a goat, the, noise from these critters often, disgruntled, her neighbors according. To author Elizabeth, Randall both of Italia's neighbors the Stanford's, and the McCormick's, filed public, complains about the noise in 1972. Resulting. In a $50, fine for disturbing, the peace randall, then describes, an escalating. Neighborly, feud in which italia, outraged, the Stanford's by cutting back their trees that extended, over her property line. According, to Randle Italia, also, planted bamboo across, a city easement, at the corner of the Stanford driveway, which the Stanford's, had the city removed at the, time Stanford, was the manager, of st., Johns County of, which st. Augustine, is the county seat Italia. Had apparently suggested. To the County Commission that, Stanford wasn't. Qualified for, his job appearing. At least four times before the Commission to complain about him that's a strained relationship that. Is yeah. They don't want to be that way to your neighbors, yeah you don't want to have, a little a petting zoo in your, house the thing about cutting down their tree. Her property that's fine so, you would do that legally. You're allowed to manage theirs hangovers, you, can lop those I did have a neighbor who had an overhang, of a lime. Tree it was great because I could go pick a little lime did you ever think about killing your neighbor when he didn't give me limes yeah oh okay all, right, Dahlia. Would claim that Stanford had neglected his duties of maintaining. And building roads, but, her complaints, also, have urged into, the personal, Randle, describes a commission, meeting were at Dahlia publicly, accused Stanford, of putting, sugar in her Cadillacs, gas tank, more, salient Lee she also said, on October, 9th 1974. That, Stanford threatened. Her saying, quote that man threatened, to my life he threatened, to kill me end quote.

Sure. He seems fishy but. It also seems incredibly. Risky to, murder your neighbor especially, after all of this has been public she has in public times, complained that he's not good at his job, yeah every. Human is capable of murder if you push them enough I just don't know if this is enough of a push ok it's, true is that so yeah I, can. I bet, you you would murder me if I pushed you enough yeah probably, according. To Randall mere hours, before a valley is murder Stanford. Had been visited by the Florida Department of, professional. And occupational, regulations at, a dahlias, request Randall. Says they were investigating. To see whether Stanford, was in violation of Florida, state statutes, that's, that's a little fuel to the fire there I don't know if it's enough to push him over the edge it's. Certainly not good it's not good it doesn't look great what I still, wonder but then when people start showing up to, evaluate. You that is true you. Might you might lose, it I guess you can't really like tattle, on her she's. Doing this make her stop yeah, Wenlock, McCormick, first heard a belly ax screams, he, looked to her home and told his grandmother quote, mr., Stanford, is hitting miss ponds all end quote, which was at dahlias maiden, name McCormick. Later explained, that he'd assumed it was Stanford, based on his clothing and the fact that the man was walking back towards Stanford's, house but he didn't see the man's face or really know if it was him the police also noted, a blood trail that cut across her, driveway to a concrete wall that demarcated, the divide between her, property, and Stanford's. Well. That's all not, looking, great that doesn't look good okay, that's a little bit more than hearsay at that point yeah actually. This makes me wonder let's. Say you, want to murder someone, would. It make sense to. Study. Them for a long time you. Know see who's in their life and then. Sort. Of try to disguise, yourself or make it look like you're a different, acquaintance, of theirs so. If I want this lady dead and, I'm she's, got a feud going on with her at the Stanford, right over there he tends to wear these kind of things I'll put those on I'll just I'll put those on dress. Up like him. Wacha. Thwack, run. Through. His yard, yeah, just roll around in the grass yeah his front lawn that blood all around there, of course they're gonna hose it off but it is Florida so you know they're gonna make sure that Bloods really in the grass yeah yeah yeah it's close, to a perfect crime maybe but. It's certainly giving you an edge as a murderer, that is true, the sheriff took McCormack, to a hypnotist. In the hopes of unlocking, further memories, but the results, were inconclusive that.

Sounds About par for the course for investigative. Methods in Florida. What. Do we got how's. The evidence looking well we hosed it all down okay, what, do you want next a hypnotist. Bring, me a metronome. Recall. Dewey Lee had discovered a package, of evidence, including, a bloody shirt and a watch while, the shirt had been sitting in salt water and mud for too long to determine conclusively, if, the blood on the shirt was a Dalia's blood type a forensic. Expert was, able to identify a laundry, mark a Stanford's, name ultimately. However it, was decided that mark was too faint and garbled, to be conclusive, it just seems, like, this, guy murdered. It really does who me is it maybe the fact that the name on the laundry that was found that was bloodied it was his is that is that what it is I just, know none of my laundry's, laying out there. One. I don't have my name on my lawn yeah what is it. Things. Were different I don't know or, he's Andy from Toy Story does, name on everything and. Two I don't, think any articles, of my clothing are covered in blood no. Matter what crime comes up Shane has no bloody clothing and, I don't not, even a nosebleed I was in a church once it happened in a church wall I. Don't. Go to church I was just with one of my friends and he was like he won't go to church and I was like all right man I was like 9 so, you're, telling me at 9 years old you don't go to church the, first time you crossed the threshold into holy ground what. Expels, from your nostrils, yeah. They, ran out of tissues, mopping. That up it. Was wild. That sounds wild more. Damning for Stanford, was the watch which, a jeweler identified, as Stanford's. Stanford. Claimed that after the murder he had discovered his watch was missing Stanford. Was indicted for the murder his, friends and fellow church members, raised, $20,000. For his bail and an estimated, two hundred and fifty thousand dollar Defense Fund which would have the same buying power of more than 1.3, million dollars, today as a, quick sidenote at the time of francis be mrs. murder stanford, was out on bail with, the money raised by his friends, stanford, mounted, a formidable defense. Stanford's, defense posited, that sheriff, Dudley Garrett Dewey Lee and natalia's, husband, James Linsley had all worked together to, frame Stanford, quote, isn't, it strange that all the deputies and trained police officers, didn't know what to look for or where to look for it and without, stopping Lee, went right to the spot walked, up to the bank and there it was I submit.

To You that Dewey Lee put it out there that morning end quote. The defense posited, Dewey Lee as a scammer, while he was on the stand a defense, attorney asked, Dewey quote, isn't it a fact that you were looking for a spot where nobody could see you put that stuff in the swamp end quote. It does seem like they're desperately, grasping, at straws yeah. Because, if you were trying to frame someone you would want it to look that yeah I mean you'd go overboard you probably, you'd probably try a little too hard to make it a little too obvious looking this is confusing, I got a feeling it's gonna end up unsolved, we'll see key, to the defense was the testimony, of one Adele McLaughlin, a data, processing, clerk and neighbor who was riding her bike past at dahlias home at the time, Adele, testified, that she had seen Dewey in a dahlias yard less than two hours before the murder took, place after, two and a half hours of deliberation. On February 3rd. 1975. The, jury declared. Stanford, innocent. Afterward. Sheriff, garrett told reporters quote yes, I think Stanford did it I signed the complaint against, him and I don't concur, with the verdict and quote, there. Is something weird to be said about a. Town. Believing so much that this man did not do it they literally, raised. 250,000. Dollars and only, deliberated in the jury for two and a half hours before saying yeah he didn't do it if I murdered someone in the entire town was like no. He. Didn't. How do you like this is this. Is this rule he earned, enough goodwill tickets, yeah to cash it in for that card. Like I've been a great guy my entire life and then you get that tenth punch and it's like all right here's your freezer Shetty, is, your machete f-1 murdering, you get a free one in, 1974. In a span of less than 10 months two, women were violently, murdered, by hand in the same Florida, community, the person responsible for either or even both deaths, is a mystery, could, it have been a disgruntled husband, a fed-up neighbor a scheming, mechanic, or someone, else entirely. The answer remains, unsolved. I. Think. It was the neighbor look. I'm, a simple man I see, a trail of blood going to someone's house even, if they didn't do it come on you're, going to jail I think, it might have been a random person all right it just seems too obvious okay, there's. A paper trail of their feud why, the hell would he be that dumb rage, you know lust, rage, rage. Just just just building, up. Bursting. Out well I've never really got on that angry I don't really have that capacity it's building its building inside, you everyone, sees it that's. Great, oh man I can't wait for Krakatoa then. I'll. Shudder I hope no one's in the way.

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How does one even walk a bird? Like, do they have a leash or something similar? They have to, right, because otherwise the bird could just fly away. Clementine disappeared after the death, but if she had a leash or something, that meant that she just flew away with it? So did the murderer free here? (Maybe there is something to Shane's theory of a jealous bird owner from the beginning of the episode, who knows?) #postmortem P.S. Why would you call your bird clementine? It's a bird, not a fruit, goddamnit.

#postmortem Ryan basically says it couldn't have been the neighbour because who shits where they eat. Well, we're talking about Florida here. They sure don't think ahead as far as "Maybe killing my rude neighbour makes me look suspicious". Floridians don't plan, they only act.

+Apoorva Joshi no, shane just looks like another version of paul mccartney having bad day for his entire life #RoastMortem

#post-mortem#theory Hey Shane and Ryan! I personally believe this to be a “Hot Fuzz” scenario. (If you haven’t watched the film then I highly suggest you do!)Like the film, it was a team effort involving the town. All evidence does lead to Mr. Stanford. It is as if the town found a way to compel the jury of his innocence.. $$$$$ #boogara#shaniac

isn't ricky goldsworth also a real estate's agent?

for post mortem: Can we please have an episode where the bois go back to the holy grounds that Shane went to as a nine-year-old and see if there are any spirits that got beef, maybe make Shane's nose bleed again? That would be some Shaniac-killing evidence right there.

#postmortem Do you think that the killer hacked down Frances Bemis because she said that she wasn't afraid of him(indirectly)? Like he read the newspaper and was like 'You'll gonna continue walking at night? Not anymore' and then he hacked her down?

DID IT*

OKAY MY THEORY IS HER HUSBAND KILLED HER AND HE USED HER LITTLE RIVALRY WITH HER NEIGHBOR AS A PERFECT MURDER LIKE SHANE SAID SO BOOM HE KILLED HIS WIFE AND MADE IT LOOK LIKE THE NEIGHBOR DID IT OR MADE IT SEEM AS THOUGH THE NEIGHBOR DIDNIT

BuzzFeed Unsolved Network How many pets has Shane had ??????

What if standford pissed off the mechanic and sheriff and they tried to frame him and smoothered blood all around the yard and thats why they said oh just wash it away since if may not have been real blood or may have contained their dna. Then this whole time the real murder is out there not being suspected of it and maybe the murder knew that the sheriff and mechanic would try to frame it on strandford thus even better reason to finally kill someone you hated?!

Jason takes Orlando

What if all the neighbors worked together to kill her? So when the police came to ask them about the incident, they covered each other

Do an episode on the identity of the free range grass account user

For post-mortem, I believe that at least everyone in the town was either in on it together and so when Francis bemis felt confident to walk at night they proved her wrong by getting someone to kill her....hmm

Not a question related to the episode but what will your weapon of choice be if 1. You are a serial killer 2. You are stuck in a zombie apocalypse? PS. Can you start something a new animation story thing like the hotdog saga . Love yaaa

What if the everyone in the town was involved in the murder?

not a question on this episode specifically, more on the production. does ryan do that narrator voice as they're filming or is it recorded before/after and just put together with the clips from filming?

Why is the machete not label or have at last a serial number to identify it when there are so many people in the state have one. If machete were treated as guns, this case will to case real soon as it will help identify the owner who bought/borrow the machete.

What’s your favourite case that you’ve covered so far?

Who would win axe man or machete boy

If athalia died in January 1974, how did she complain about Stanford in October 1974........ a mistake or ghost

For post mortem: what if Stanford didn't care much to cover up evidence because he knew de community would do that for him?

In light of this new revelation, what's Ryan's opinion about the "Shane is a demon" theory?

BuzzFeed Unsolved Network BRING BACK THE HOT DAGA

Does making these episodes take an emotional toll on you due to the fact these crimes will never be solved ? And as a Criminal Justice Major them hosing down the crime scene killed me inside. #Shaniac #PostMortem #DontTouchThatCrimeSceneOrSoHelpMe

When are you going to do another British case for instance Madeline McCann I would love to hear your opinion on it

If either of you were to kill the other after being pushed too far, what would your weapon of choice be?

#postmortem Do you think that hosing the blood trail away is significant in why the case isn't solved?

I just have one question and this is for almost all the vids, how come the witnesses are never brought to court to see/check if it was/is the person that did it?

If she was "sharp-tongued and aggressive" and ran for senate aka became a public figure, (who's house address would have been very findable via house market,) it would make sense that she would have a much larger pool of suspects and enemies than just those three men; public figures in politics (especially a woman in the 70s) would get so many more death threats and enraged old dudes. but alas, only those three guys had weight. It was one of them, I guess... Anyway love how you're making these more and more narratively gripping with storytelling, nothing like hearing about near decapitation to brighten my lousy boring Friday right up. Shane you're a demon but I love you anyway. Ryan, keep him around, you might need his powers later.

Ryan, you seem to be real mad that they hosed the blood. But you do realize someone probably made a note that there was blood. I mean the blood had to be cleaned up so yeah, it got hoooossssed. Also I’m 99.9% sure that there wasn’t much evidence in the blood. And if there was it wouldn’t get washed away. Idk man, I could be wrong. #shaniac #ThatsBusinessIGuess #LoveYouShaneAndRyan

The real question is what the hell happened to Clementine?? It was the only witness in the murder! #findthatbird #postmortem

Maybe this is where the inspiration for is ace Ventura pet detective came from?

I want more hot daga

Have you heard about Robert Johnson?

"I got a feeling it's gonna end up Unsolved" They wouldn't call it BuzzFeed Unsolved for nothing.

Shane what kind of bird did you have?

How are you?

A proof that Shane is indeed a demon. He had nose bleeding inside a church. There was a battle of the forces inside him

One of my relatives lived in Orlando around this time, and did talk about the murder and the effect it had on the city. He also posed a theory to me that you didn't cover, though I'm of the impression that it's a popular one. He stated that, at the time, many people theorized that the murder was as a result of Disney. Not by them, of course, but as a result of what was going on there. Disney World had opened in 1971, and this happened three short years, (closer to two actually) after that. At the time, Disney was buying up a crap ton of property from real estate agents in the area, as well as land owners. They were paying far above what the property was worth, making millionaires of people overnight. In any case, many theorized that the murder had some tie in to the real estate job that she had. Namely, that she may have cut someone else out of a deal, or alternatively, had bought property that was later sold to Disney for a much higher price than it was really valued at. That person killed her in response to losing the money. Most point to her husband being that man, but my relative thinks it was one of her clients. However, given the tie to Disney, even indirectly, the city went to some serious lengths to cover up that involvement; lest they draw the ire of the company that was flooding money into the area.

Shane: "Did you ever think of killing your neighbor?" Ryan: "When he didn't give me limes, yeah" That's not Ryan. That's Ricky Goldsworth. Right. There Ryan: "I bet you would murder me if I push you enough." Shane: "Yeah, probably." That's not Shane. That's the playful and deceitful demon. Right. There.

Question for the post mortem: Do you guys think it's possible that Mr. Stanford was originally going to use his machete to remove some of Athalia's plants in retaliation for cutting down their tree and the visit from the department of professional and occupational regulations and happened to catch her outside and engage in an argument, losing his temper and killing her? Love you both!

I think it could be a unknown serial killer that was in Florida at the time. Also, Gerald Stano was a serial killer active in Florida at that time. He used many ways to murder including stabbing and shooting and strangling. In my opinion he may be the one even though he was a “serial confessor.” He was executed in 1998 by old Sparky. He was house with Brandy at FSP.

Are u guys feeling ok?? There are alot of murder crimes u guys keep talking about.. I hope ur not wanting to commit murder and get away with it.. ?? #loveyoubothxx lol

how would she walk her bird, with a lead? or would she put a collar on it?? or maybe attach a sting to its ankle and let it fly around and hold it like a ballon??

‪Post-mortem: This isn’t a question, but I hope you guys never stop making this. I love it #Shaniac #OneOfMyFriendsLooksLikeRyan‬

I've probably missed the window for the Post Mortem but the language use to describe Athalia in the beginning sounds a lot like how people used to describe suffragettes and other outspoken women in more misogynistic times. She might just have been a bit of a prick, but if this lady came into town who was a working, independent, smart woman, and constantly questioning the decisions of a man who was particularly misogynistic and maybe also an angry person, it wouldn't be unusual or even uncommon for that man to murder her. Alan Stanford hated Athalia because she kept criticising him, but i think misogyny made him more infuriated than if a man had done those things. Many men have murder women in a rage because they did a better job than them or criticised them. That night was probably the final straw and he impulsively murdered her when in a self-righteous, misogyny filled rage.

For post mortem: if either of you got into jail (I don't know, you stole a turtle or a clementine whatever or even killed someone) would you pay that much money to bail either one out? Just testing a little something here :)

+Fireproof Cats glad that I'm not the only one who noticed. it's been gone for two episodes now? Isn't it?

Couldn't Adelle just be lying under the oath? If she was part of the neighborhood, she probably disliked athalia and was on team Stanford. I've had neighbors who hate my dogs(even though they rarely bark) and it gets nasty. Add that to her being a successful woman who was against the patriarchy in the 70s

Shane, if I were to cook a bird is it necessary to keep it in the freezer that long?

For #PostMortem : Maybe the reason why Stanford's friends gathered up 250 000 dollars was because the neighborhood hated Athalia since it was mentioned that she was an aggresive woman and they never bothered who really killed her which came to the point where they were pointing fingers to the husband and to the mechanic. guess they were glad to see her gone. P.S. where did that bird go? bet this case will remain... unsolved

Ryan bringing up the bird mid-video is like a husband teasing his wife more and more

Nosebleed on the church? Another evidence to the fact that Shane might be a demon? possesed?

Hey Shane! Did you teach Ryan how to finally pronounce February properly? Or did he learn on his own? Although I admit I almost miss Febreeary, it was sort of endearing.

BuzzFeed Unsolved Network #postmortem who is the culprit that put pineapple on Pizza?

For the Post Mortem: What if Stanford hired that mechanic to murder Athalia, thus explaining the testimony in the trial. The fact that the mechanic found evidence in the swamp could have been the result of the deal they had gone wrong. I think its unlikely but it could have happened.

You guys should do an episode of the black twins (very very low population of black people where that grew up) that lived in Ireland (I think)? They both had very high IQs but rarely spoke to anyone but spoke to themselves in their own language. They both tried to kill one another and then one day one of the twins died. They broke the law quite a bit during their lives together. Their story seems super interesting and I'd love to see your take on it!

#RoastMortem 'only if i have some facts behind it' says the guy who thinks wind is evidence of a ghost

Do you ghoul boys think that they should have held the trial out of town or state since the town seemed to all think Stanford was innocent? It seems that this wasn't a fair trial for the victims. (Love the show! Keep up the great work!

Not a question, but I love you guys so much

You spent a lot of time discussion theories on Athalia's murder, but didn't really touch on Frances. How would any of these suspects connect to Frances? If they don't, what theories are out there about other suspects in her case?

post mortem: whens the next episode of the boysenberry boys? love you guys! #shaniac #butscaredlikeaboogara

What’s your favourite video you guys have done ?

Does any of this ghost and murder stuff ever get to you?

I think you would study someone if it was a neighbour and you wanted to kill them. You would want to know their routine to give you as much as an alibi as possible? Maybe try and play it off from being you and divert it to someone else? At this point it does point a lot to the neighbour, but would you really be so risky to kill someone so close to you ( literally) for thoese reasons and not think they’re going to be suspected? Obviously not as they went questioned and it’s never been solved

You guys should cover the case of Brandon Lawson. There's even a possibility with it the cops covered it up by editing the 911 call.

Shane looks like a real detective. Those specs make him look old. In my opinion it's Athalia's husband who murdered her and took the right opportunity to frame Stanford for it.I mean it can't be a coincidence two friends dieng the exact same way, could it?? It also is definitely a crime with motive and not a crime for passion.

Ricky Goldsworth as a serial killer what would be your victims' profile? How would you target or select them? What would be their commonality? Kindly put this out so the public can be warned. #postmortem

#Roastmortem Honestly there could be sharks in Ryan’s hair because of that wave, it’s a quiff and a half dude. Somebody needs a hair cut big boy.

Can you do an episode on Madeleine McCann -would love to see your take on it

Are you guys going to continue this format next season with the alternating supernatural and true crime, or are you going to go back to the regular format of a true crime or supernatural season?

Why didn’t they use fingerprints? #postmortem #boogara

Alright guys common, ik Floridans wild but do you really think we would kill our neighbors because they own a goat? No instead we just get the city mayor to get them shipped off to a slaughter house (it happened to my friend)

BuzzFeed Unsolved Network I would love to see you two investigate Old Melbourne Jail. It has a few ghost stories and it's where Ned Kelly was hanged. #postmortem

What about Miami Beach baby?

BuzzFeed Unsolved Network #PostMortem Clementine the blue jay committed the murders

Let's all bring up Shane's bird

Could the Florida Machete Murderer beat the Axe Man? Seems like a cinema-worthy showdown to me.

BuzzFeed Unsolved Network why does everyone want to write a book about this case? I mean the friend who walks at night was gonna write a book, and then that other chick wrote a book. What is it with Florida and murder books??

+BJ Reo exactly what I'm thinking! Makes me wonder if at that moment.. Shane was indeed pissed off (for real!)

For post mortem: in regards to Frances Bemis’s death, do you guys think she was murdered opportunistically or do you think that she was murdered for a reason? She didn’t seem to have any obvious connection to Athalia (other than her helping to write a book about her), so I don’t really see the point of killing her unless it wasn’t related to Athalia’s murder. It all just seems kinda weird, especially since the method used to kill Frances was completely different. Love you guys! #boogara #ripshanesparrot

#postmortem if only shane would really think that hard after waking up and doing his hair

I think the whole town was in on it. I think it is a little bit suspicious that the town raised so much for a bail case. I also think the police were in on it too. That would explain why they hosed down the evidence. Though they might have felt that it was wrong after words. So they prosecuted the man that they knew was responsible. So the town all pitched in to save him. #postmortem

No one: The watcher: HaIL MmMEeeeee!!!!

We need to know more about Shane’s bloody nose story

Your mum gay #roastmortem

no one: literally no one: like not even ryan: shane: "thwacka-thwack!" #postmortem

#postmortem, hey, is ruining history ever coming back or not? Its bean a year! #allhailthewatcher

Do the disappearance of Kortne Stouffer in Palmyra PA. It’s really strange and the timeline is eerie

God bless Florida...

Rayn has started to suspect Shane is a demon

Taking those limes was illegal Ryan!

#postmortem I think that who ever killed Athalia just didn’t like her (for whatever reason) so killed her as just a one time thing then heard Frances saying that she wasn’t scared and the murderer got mad so killed her. #shaniac

#postmortem for postmortem- i personally think the neighbor did it. we know that he heard the screams of athalia and knew that he called the police. in that time span, he could’ve walked inside after killing her and called the police which is why locke saw a man going into his property. i think he might have also killed frances because of how frances stated her opinion in the article. she might’ve had her suspicions and knew it was the neighbor so he killed her.

c'mon now we've all see the vvitch, if athalia owned a goat then y'all know it was the goat that killed her #postmortem

Where r all my Shaters ???!!

Did you think the bird did it #postmortem

I personally think that it was her neighbor. If you think about it, in the beginning it was stated that she wasn’t the most popular woman in that area, but her neighbor wasn’t the same way. It could be thought that maybe, just maybe, the town liked him so much that they decided to post bail and defense for him just so they can get rid of her AND keep him in charge. Maybe the town just got sick of her so they did everything they could to keep him out of jail. #postmortem

I’m literally watching this right before I travel to Florida

14:59: "thwack-a-thwack" a new onamatepia for my daily life

POSTMORTEM.... Howdy from H-Town Ryan and Shane. Doing a great job and you 2 make a great team. As for my question I was just curious if they investigated Dewey? I mean he did find all that evidence. Which seems to br very convenient. However instead of conveniently finding it to frame someone maybe he conveniently found it because he had hidden it aftet killing the ladies. Then when they came up with a suspect he decided to "find" the evidence and pin it on the suspect. Besides you just know someone named Dewey is up to no good!!!! Ive got a fever and only one way to get rid of it....no not cow bell. This fever can only be fixed with new episodes of THE HOT DOGGA!!!! #ghosts are real # Bring Back The Hot Dogga

anyone else from orlando here? lol

we aren't all bad ok

#postmortem why have a pet blue Jay? Those are not birds to normally have as a pet. It's like having a pet crow

My great grandmother used to put my initials on my socks

shane: yea I got a nosebleed in a church once haha Ryan, who knows about the demon Shane theories; ...interesting,very interesting

Shane is getting very suspicious

more #supernatural pls

You guys should do the missing person/possibly human trafficking unsolved case of Madeline McCann

Next episode: The death of Shane's bird.

Shane went to church and his nose bleed. Shane is a demon. SOLVED

Visiting in Florida rn, thanks for the absolute scare.

*plays "St. Augustine in Hell" by Sting*

i love ya’ll guys tho

Nobody cares where's ruining history

#postmortem I think that maybe, because this lady was allegedly sharp-tongued and quite generally disliked, maybe this was a community thing? You know, nobody really liked her, so they held a secret meeting at midnight one day and decided "Okay, right, you can marry her, then we'll make sure nobody buys her house, then someone kills her when she's out walking her Clementine, then we'll just f*ck around and pretend to investigate so as to keep up Global appearances but, meh, who really cares? As a community, we're just a happier group now." #maybe #goodepisode #welldonedudes

Me a Floridian : O:

If Stanford knew Athalia was trying to sell her house, I don't see why he'd murder her because she'd be out of his hair soon and he wouldn't have to worry about jail time. #postmortem

oh my god. shane's a demon, he got a nosebleed from going to church. LOL

For #postmortem : Shane, why did you eat your pet parrot?

Why have they not done a madeleine mccann series!!! I need that

Ryan seems like a serial killer more and more each episode or should I say Ricky

Clearly it was actually clementine the bluejay all along. Why else would she flee the scene of the murder?

#postmortem If Stanford was the killer, why would he kill her friend? Was it because she dismissed the violent intentions of the murderer and hurt his ego? Or maybe she discovered that he did it and was about to spread the word?

It’s wasn’t her husband because there would of been blood on the drivers seat and it said ‘he had enough time to drive there’. As Shane said the neighbour was probably framed, and anyone can write anyone’s name on the label, but the key to who murdered Frances and why was anyone going to do so. I feel it’s more likely to be a rival author in that genre. A wanna be Detective. #postmortem

My cousin stabbed a man 21 times for stealing his cat so I bet the machete man just wanted his bird back

Dang ok... come after us Floridians :’)

I wonder how long ryan spent on practicing saying February and then still got it wrong #roastmortem

Why does Shane have a pen and notebook

What if Clementine bluejay was like "YOU TAKE ME TO A WALK EVERY. SINGLE. DAY! I AM A BIRD! I FLYYY! UGH! Where is my machete now? Unbelievable, these humans, not knowing respect, *mutters aggressively to her self as she almost decapitates her owner*" Ps. I love you guys sooo much, Shane's humor + Ryan's fear = gold on sight Still a boogara and a shaniac at heart :)) and here's my question: who would most likely would be the killer in the killing of Athalia?? #postmortem #postmortem

I love how both Ryan and Shane are so chill with killing each other

For #postmortem: OKAY, but what about Clementine the bird? I'm telling you, this bird knows something...

Hey Shane, thousands of people already believe you're lowkey a demon, that bleeding in a church story doesn't help

I love how they add “(wheez)” in the paragraphs

HOW MANY TIMES - DO MADELINE MCCAN

shane really is the demons boi

Shane telling us that he got a nose bleed in church really isn’t helping him fight the theory that he’s a demon #postmortem

Anyone else from Florida?

Welcome to the #RoAstMortEm or #roastmortem if your as boring as Ryan. Quick question why hasnt Shane changed his name to Ashamed because obviously his parents should be?

I love Shane too much but I'm willing to make the sacrafice. I-I-I hate you Shane Madej!

Do a episode on the death of princess Diana #buzzfeedunsolved #loveyouguys

Supernatural *Kellie Castle* Ipoh, Malaysia

Do you think both murders were connected? How did the trial for Frances Bemis go? Love from London :) #postmortem

Can't wait for the nosebleed in the church to be added onto the long list of reasons Shane is probably a demon

Maybe Francis was into it with Stanford. It might be the reason why she was all relax and not fricked out? But after a while, Stanford decided to get her out of the way ? Maybe she tried to blackmail him or threaten him or he just did it to save his name from any possible danger...#POSTMORTEM #post_mortem

I have lived in St. Augustine my entire life and have never heard of this!!!

Why DO U MFS UPLOAD A WEEK BEFORE EXAMS. JKS ILY FOOLS

Asking the internet for haters/detractors? Are you sure that's a good idea?

Ryan your eyes are like small marbles, Explains why your eyes seem to be poppin' out every time you're scared. #Roastmortem

#postmortem so i assume now it's more or less confirmed that shane is a demön?

Old women in church dont run out of kleenex they just realized he was evil and left him alone. LOL

I have a theory.. I think her bird did the murder.. You know, she took him for a walk, so maybe the bird didn't want to go for a walk? #postmortem

U usefull

#Roastmortem: Shane you loved your parrot. But did your parrot loved you back??

My wife and kids wonder why i take 20/30 mins in the bathroom, only peace i get to watch you guys!

They should've talked a bit more about Frances' murder as well. Any connections made between the two murders could've cut down the suspects list.

Shane is literally a demon

Florida man hoses away crimescene to think about crimescene

"They were both real estate agents who could not sell their house" Ah. I see they went to the CC Tinsley School of Professional Irony

Okay but what happened to the Blue Jay?

Maybe the bird???!!! #postmortem

Ok, but, do we need to send ryan limes so he doesnt kill his neighbor??

Come on, that crime scene photo with the woman on those insane high heels is REDICULOUS

#postmortem : according to the theory, shane being a demon gets another point.

#roastmortem Buzzfeed Unsolved? More like Shane and Ryan talking about how to get away with being a murderer for 6 minutes straight

ALL HAIL THE WATCHER

Shane relax the parrot has ceased to be. The parrot is no more.

Who wanted to get rid of the evidence ? TWICE ? CASE SOLVED !

At 10:17 they said,"James's" while it should be James'.. ..

Machete: owned Blood: hosed Watcher: hailed

1 like = 1 F for Florida man attack victims

For all we know, it could of been a serial killer or psychopath like Ted Bundy.

#postmortem They let the most important witness slip through their fingers: the bird. There was a study that animals do react negatively to someone who abused their owner. They could have solved this with that damn bird, but let him sail off into the Florida sunset.

Thwack-a-thwack.

Clementine the bluejay went missing? all hail the watcher I guess

I bet Shane got a nose bleed from picking his nose.

CFP aka CHICAGO FROZEN PARROT.!!

Ah, the beautiful sounds of murder in the morning

Why do you guys assume that the two murders are related? If they are, what is the motive for Stanford murdering Bemis? If they’re not, what are the other theories for Bemis? Was there simply not enough evidence to deposit any theories? By the way, I’m pretty sure Ryan thinks Shane is a demon now, due to the whole nosebleed-at-church thing.

The is probably the worst thing on YouTube, their acting is awful and its so boring. Who makes a 21 min video these days? disliked. Un-subbed. (Come on guys, Shane wants his haters!)

Please investigate this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Bodom_murders

for roastmortem: I have a feeling this detective gig is gonna go far for you guys, hopefully very far, very far away at least. so far away we won't have to see those bug eyes or disgraceful hair anymore... that's the dream

every time ryan says february i laugh inside, only because he tries so hard to say it correctly and i’m proud of him

It is really stanford becuase why would u hide something that where anybody can't see #postmortem

Have any of your shows resulted in any case being reopened or lead to any people coming through with more information from your exposure?

Growing up we lived across the road from a church. The local priest used to come over to talk to my dad. The last 3 times I ever saw him I got a vicious nose bleed every time. I just avoided him after that

GUESS WHO PROBABLY KNEW ALL OF THIS, THE WATCHER! ALL HAIL THE WATCHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone else notice how Ryan pronounced "February" in this episode? Has he been practicing?

So what about the other lady ?

i feel like ryan is just pronouncing february a different way every time now

Can you please cover the burari death case 11 members of the same family were found hanging in their home No one knows what happened or why it happened If it was suicide or murder is unknown

For postmortem: Was Florida really that bad that you needed a machete to get rid of the Florida fauna? It seems a little much for getting rid of undergrowth

Can you do princess Diana please. As a British person and a step dad who believes that Diana was assassinated by Charles or another royal member . I think that this is important to investigate, they said it was an accident but I know that quite a few believe that Diana was murdered and that the crash wasn't an accident. I know I'm rambling but I believe that it needs to be investigated by none other than the ghoul boys. I love you Shane and I'm a #shaniac and I kinda am a fan Ryan. I do hope that you read this although it is unlikely. I'm doing this anyway so screw it

JSJJSJD RYAN TRIED SO GARD TO SAY FEBRUARY PROPERLY IM LITERALY WHEEZJNG

Possibly murdered for loving animals too much ?? Sounds like my kind of lady

Love this Unsolved series! You guys should do a video on Kendrick Johnson, since there are so many theories surrounding that case.

Its gotten to the point where Im excited for the postmortem for the sole reason of freerangegrass

#morosemortem Shane, I’m really sorry about your bird. I’m sure you cared about him very much. Shut up, Ryan >:(

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