Racing with Giants: Porsche at Le Mans - narrated by Patrick Dempsey
foreign the name stirs the heart of every race fan car Enthusiast and serious driver the oldest endurance race in the world one of the most grueling and rigorous driving Challenges ever conceived the first time on that circuit going down the street I felt like I was in a rocket ship one third of Racing's Triple Crown alongside the Monaco Grand Prix and the Indy 500 is this visceral connection of driver and car 24 hours through the dark of night oppressive unrelenting storms Lamar is dearest to win that's the race it's not just a test of the car it's a test of the driver you know a cool thing about Le Mans radio tires headlights windshield wipers all came out of this race we've got this race it's in our pocket and the water temperature started to creep up you can see the lead going you can see the race going you can see everything everybody's worked for a year just going up in smoke this contest is as much about reliability and tenacity as it is about speed but make no mistake it is about speed it's driving completely stupidly and fast as I could and there we were doing 246 and I don't think anybody's ever been quick every year hundreds of thousands of fans line the roads of the small town of Lamont in northern France it's a race filled with beauty a parade of headlights Illuminating the night sky gives way to the morning's first light on the circuit The Cry of engines and the spray cutting through the storms faces of exhausted engineers the raw emotion of exhausted drivers it is without doubt one of the most special memories any driver can have being on a lemon podium but every struggle in drama goes hand in hand with the beauty every moment has the potential to destroy aspirations and Ambitions of Manufacturers teams fans and even countries they're shot at Victory always one setback away from evaporating into the midnight air foreign [Music] from the moment the French flag dropped to open the inaugural race in 1923 the battle was on triumphs the heartbreaks the rivalries born that day lasted a century the early days of the race are almost unrecognizable compared to The Modern event from the gravel and toll roads to the famed lamal start that lasted until 1970. even the circuit itself has evolved countless times over the ensuing decades in the first race the French army held up lanterns to illuminate Corners in the middle of the night and breakdowns meant some drivers had to run on foot back to the pits the 20s were dominated by the Bentley boys a group of largely British drivers who led the manufacturer to five wins in the first eight years of Le Mans in the 1930s Alfa Romeo Rose to prominence with four consecutive wins from 1931 to 1934. World War II halted the race for nearly a decade when the racing resumed Ferrari and jaguar both took home their first titles in the early 50s but one manufacturer would become the most associated with the history of Le Mans and when more overall titles than any other Porsche their Decades of dominance coincide with another incredible feat as Porsche also developed iconic game-changing road cars in locks step with their wins at Lamar Porsche landed a class win in their debut race that opened the door to their legacy of success at Lamar 60 cars lined up for the 19th running of the Le Mans 24-hour race and this is the car that won its class and this is the first major race for Porsche Porsche showed up at Le Mans with two cars the number 46 car and the number 47 car they crashed the number 47 car in night practice and here's this little car company only you know three years old showing up at Le Mans and they're starting the race with one car it finished first in class and 20th overall and actually beat all of the cars in the class above and here we are in that very same car in Malibu California this is such a special little car you know it race at Le Mans 1951 and then made its way over here at the end of 51 and has been a U.S race car ever since but how fast did this car go in the day when it's on a straightaway 101 miles an hour was the top speed with this car it was only an 1100 CC car with 45 horsepower just tucked in this little cabin for 24 hours trying to win a race did you imagine 24 hours in here this 356 SL super light spawns the start of the Porsche 356 Revolution 75 000 cars in many many years of great models of cars this car put Porsche on the world stage and really made these cars familiar to everybody and show that they're not just you know a cute little car that they have some performance and they have reliability and they can go out there and win races on the weekends which Sells Cars the following week feel the very beginnings of Porsche in this car [Applause] various marks at State claims on different eras during the history of Le Mans Porsche's overall dominance really came to the Forefront in the 1970s in 1969 to protest the dangers of a traditional Le Mans running start Jackie X walk to his car the race in the old days you can't call it the Stone Age considering that aspect there were many changes in Motor Racing the famous Le Master they considered that trying to put your seat belt at 200 miles per hour plus I never achieved that the man who changed the LA monster was John Wolfe driving a Porsche 917 killing himself on lap one the export authorities realize the Le Mans start running to your car jumping in the car without any seat belt was not a serious option 17s led the race with less than four hours to go but both suffered malfunctions and broke down opening the door for the GT40 Jackie had started last but finished first [Music] in Motor Racing there are things unpredictable it's the timing and I consider the success is linked to the timing day came with the first 9 17 I was driving the GT40 the 917 wasn't ready at the time they were the fastest but definitely they were not able to do 24s because we played around with 917s actually on the movie and it was during that that John wire said to me you know how about sticking around and driving a card in the movie so I stayed on a movie and that first time I drove the 917 was actually up and down the moves on straight until I had my test drive with with Porsche later that year I drove the Ferrari first the 512s at Lamar and of course the next year there I am driving a 917. big difference was it was a year later and as far as handling was concerned the 917 was just more compliant and it just was easier to drive for everybody but the 917 was just a better car all round by 1970 Porsche had become the go-to sports car for drivers and that was reflected in the Le Mans field they set out to chase their first Victory with the 917. the history of the 917's pretty spectacular when you talk about the threat of overall victories at Le Mans with Porsha and you go back to 1970 and you focus on that 917k just what the time was like with the drivers how lightweight those cars were and they had this massive engine behind them but such a key key victory in 1970 to finally break through 1970 was the first year without the Le Mans running start Porsche loaded the field and his challenge was from Ferrari including one driven by Derek Bell [Music] get back on the top of the podium after falling to four but quickly found that the Porsche would be their true rival that day Clea Leo sold the 5-12 it was not competitive enough against the 917.
and 512 at a very different aerodynamic than the Porsche and we were clearly beaten by once again two second talab without being able to do anything the next year we had the same sort of cone a cow design with a short tail with a flaps on the rear and so on and immediately we were very quick but that was too late racing through heavy rainstorms two 9-17s finished ahead of the Ferraris and handed Porsche their first overall win at Lamar a 917k is this visceral connection of driver and car the engine is sitting on your shoulders when I drove that car I thought what it must have been like for those drivers to take victory in 1970 and just the speed the raw thrill of that car going down the straightaway everything about the storyline and finally that overall victory for Porsche that has to be number one in my book we go there testing with the 917 long tail and I remember doing the test weekend and Norbert said to me he said so how many revs are you pulling on molzana and I said oh best I ever saw was 8 100 reps and he said oh that is good because it ate two she blows up and he started to laugh I said what you laughing about and he said well allowing for tire growth that's 396 kilometers an hour which is 246 miles an hour and nobody's ever really been as fast in the race I then sort of started to learn a little bit more about sort of the way Porsche operated and their engineering expertise [Applause] car radio is to Jerry Seinfeld about driving a 917. it's scary and it's very sexy the front fenders the way they kind of flow down into the nose of the car and how forward the windshield is and how you're lying down you just feel like you've been put in a missile it's so big and so small right you know when you stand in front of it it just comes up to your shins but that it's so long and it's so wide and the craziest thing about it easy to drive right easy to drive thank you the 1977 race with the 936 was an incredible story in a way what we feel that during the first four or six hours it's not necessary to follow anyone of your race if they go very fast let them go the road to victory was daunting [Music] Jackie's number three car lost its engine and he became the reserve driver for the number four car and found himself racing from the back was fascinating when you start last and you have no limit you start to go flat out because you have no no option either it's finished or either it breaks oh you are always at the limit permanently but sometimes you can make all sorts of attempts you want it works so I drove the night three since in a row another Street since and then through every year you can see you are 36 20 years 15 10. thank you earlier wood did an incredible race Jurgen Bart was the third driver did an incredible the mechanics changed some parts on the car in a speed they never did before the conclusion of that incredible race where the car finished very sick only on 5 out of six cylinder you never have to give up in sport you never know what's going to happen and that's probably the most unexpected win in the 19 Winds of Porsche that's 1977. not only did they win Le Mans but Porsche also made history with the release of one of their most Revolutionary Road cars the first ever Porsche 911 Turbo Jackie winning with the 936 and here we are at a 930 Turbo little did we know that this would become one of the most iconic street cars ever turbos really rained both on the track and on the street amazing to think that the rules and regulations and the competition of Porsche going after races like the 24 hours Le Mans bred cars and ideas like this 930 Turbo art and enjoyment of driving turbo cars on roads like Mulholland highway it's so rewarding because it makes so much power down low it's very linear in how when it builds boost and it picks up speed it's almost effortless and you think about accelerating out of the moles on Corner heading back down towards Indianapolis or just taking the curbs here on the infamous Mulholland Highway there is so much for the senses in driving these cars they're analog and so visceral you're you're very connected but you have to be paying attention there really is no time for electronics or even the need for a stereo it's all about the RPM and when this car winds up and the Boost is singing you better be pointed in the right direction it's easy to see why they nicknamed this car the Widowmaker you know thinking about the evolution of what this streetcar became and then how it grew into the 1979 Victory with the 935 and just how much connection and direct relatability there was we're gonna head over to Bruce Meyer's garage and take a look at the biggest and most bad to the bow 935 ever to be on the racetrack [Music] foreign [Applause] [Music] we're among many Le Mans winners here but I want to talk about one specific Le Mans winner back here this 1979 K3 935 this has to be one of the most special cars in America and overall Le Mall winner tell us a little bit about it sure well it's certainly the most famous 911. it was the only 911 ever to win overall at Le Mans and one of the few production cars group five cars to win Lamaze yeah we look at this backdrop and it tells such a story of prototypes and production-based cars I mean not only did they win the race overall they locked out the entire Podium with 935s just had to be incredible but this car takes the cake as one of the most famous cars in this country for sure this car certainly Walk The Walk Don and Bill were less known at Le Mans so it turned out the day before the race they actually bought the car for a lot of cash money it was a very exciting year because the winnings were actually in the lead and they had a problem so they were by the side of the road and Paul Newman's car was just a little behind and of course they were making up time as the whittingtons were stalled up by the roadside so at the closing hours Paul Newman came in for a tire change and they cross threaded I believe one of the wheels and and held them up and it cost them the race that race could have gone either way and Paul Newman would have been a great winner as well described as decade of dominance for Porsche at Le Mall L1 in the 936 Kian Derek would land another overall victory for Porsche but this time in the 956 race car the first of the aluminum Monaco cars in the start of the group C Europe so after the 936 I remember Professor bot at the factory said to me he said oh next year herbel we're doing Group C and I went like what's that and he said well it's the car in that Workshop there and I went oh my goodness and there was this glorious new Monaco being built by the factory [Music] Porsche took the top three places and finished in order of their cars Cars one two and three finished in that order after 24 hours so it was pretty remarkable actually he was the last of Jackie's six wins at Le Mans but the second in a string of unprecedented seven straight wins for Porsche in 1983 Porsche took nine out of the top 10 spots in Lemoore but for Jackie X and Derek Bell it was one of the hardest races of their lives at exactly seven minutes to four o'clock the entire field you come down towards the essays and weaving putting warmth into the Slick dry weather tires we went into the race in 83 on pole position as usual consuming we got a pretty good fair chance of winning the pace car pulls off into the boots and the 51st Lamar 24-hour race is on and straight into the lead goes jackets check the body work as you would doing those 235 miles an hour down we go down the long three and a half mile Busan Street 225 miles per hour I turned into malls on corner at six in the morning and the engine stopped and I wasn't a very good mechanic so I got out of the car and had to take all the body off the bank it's a long tail and then leapt into the engine at the back I'm sitting on top of a red hot engine that had been running for for 14 hours at this point and I'm pretty Jaded by this time because we're driven so delicately but so fast and then I turned the key and it started then I had to go oh I got to put the body back on again literally had it resting on the rear tires and I ran forward with it like that and it bounced its way along pinned it up got in and drove off and um came in appeared my mouth on the Jacks and I can see Jackie he's down in there and just talking the mechanic like gotta take those discs off I said get him out of the way you know and so they've picked him out and threw them away like that and I carried on in my car I was losing a hell of a lot of time trying to pump the brakes and I suddenly had the Derrick Bell plan and as I went down the street I would use my left foot and heat up the disc towards the end so that as it got hotter it would expand and glue itself together from 235 miles an hour you're excluding a lot of pressure on the brakes down into small town corner I break the left record twice in the last hour apparently and there are the two reference this race of my life probably Jackie's too as far as Le Mans concerned I mean that was the one that I remember intimately the ones that I won I can't remember because he just was perfect the whole way you know almost 170 PM start on Saturday afternoon rothman's Porsche have dominated this race for the past four years in 1986 Porsche took the top seven places overall as hanstalk battle Holbert and Derek Bell drove the 962 to victory at Lamar Al and I had one Daytona that year the 24 hour so they brought they said well I'll come over and drive with stuck an eye at Le Mans when we were having three drivers then Bell and stuck heading for victory with holbert's help and we won them all in fact we won Daytona the next year and then Lamar again next year so nobody's ever won four consecutive races like that Derek Bell for the fourth time Al Hulbert for the second hunch duck for the first the victory in 1986 wasn't the only historic achievement for Porsche that year it also marked the debut of the 959 the car that launched the Supercar era [Music] be clear the philosophy of Porsche it's racing but basically number one is the development of their technology [Music] I used to moan like crazy when they brought in some new development we had to test them in the races I'm a racing driver I've come here to race not to go out and test that damn thing why put it in the race car for me when we could win the world championship and they said but every race has to be the development of something and that was the great thing about Porsche they were developing something all the time otherwise they couldn't justify their budgets 1986 was such a pivotal time for Porsche not only in the competition side but on the totality of the car company there was so much Evolution and such a jump in technology but also that car rained for so long and there were so many dominant victories and then the debut the first Supercar the 959 and it was a perfect storyline of this Evolution from track to Street Big horsepower big aerodynamics active suspension lots of things that we had seen little Snippets of but when that car rolled out we entered in to this new era that we now know as supercars [Music] thank you and then in 86 when it was my fourth Victory and at that same time of course that comes the 959 and you go so that's what they've been doing here we are driving this glorious car today and people are turning around in the streets taking a look at it they produced 200 which is so typically Porsche so that they were always going to be in DeMar the people biting people's arms off to get in there to get a 959 and it set the world alike it was such a huge departure when you look at the silhouette of a g model 911 and then when they started modeling the aerodynamics off the back of that core 911 and today the technologies that are in cars were really stemming from that time in a period of evolution where it was just anything goes people lost their minds it's the ultimate marriage of Technology it's the fastest car in the world at that moment and it looks different than anything they've ever made it's just the most technologically advanced car Porsche has made up until that point they made such a statement at such an important time in their life I think really I mean they went out and did the Parry Dakar with it and won it I mean to go out there and take on the world's biggest off-road rally the toughest event of the Year anywhere I think I win it you know with drivers that aren't really off-road rally drivers they were racing drivers [Music] thank you thank you the race of Le Mans still is a mythical race it was something that I didn't appreciate how important it was in the world of Motorsport or just generally in the wider audience until I went to there the first time [Music] Porsche in the engineers at vysog reached New Heights in developing the GT1 for the 98th season we realized that we had to make some big improvements not necessarily just in terms of aerodynamics and efficiency or in power but things like the gearbox so the 97 car had an old H pattern gearbox you had to break he healed and towed a very robust and very reliable system but it wasn't fast and the performance of the competition was moving on so quickly that we had to go to a completely new philosophy so the car was a carbon fiber monocoque the first time Porsche had ever done that also as well with the sequential gearbox and that sequential gearbox aided us quite a lot especially going through corners because you were only pulling in One Direction not trying to cross over the gate especially in like Porsche Corners that sort of thing the the aerodynamics of the car were a lot better there was a lot of constant learning going on and I went to do a seat fitting in the car and it was in pure carbon black with mobile one written down the side and VAR Steiner and the car looked fantastic but then when it came to be fully branded and fully liveried with the mobile One Liberty as it sort of dragged back from the logo that was on the nose of the car it was like bleeding out of it all the way through to the tail it was simply stunning but that had a real feel about art about it [Music] [Music] Beauty was one thing performance was another and Porsche would be debuting the gt-1 on the biggest stage of them all I enjoy lemon and to be honest I'm just feeling the atmosphere I think to drive for a privateer team and to drive for the factory Porsche team there's a big difference because this is my first time here with the factory Porsche team a lot of people have got a lot of interest in them all but also in Porsche [Music] yeah it was a good lap the car's been very good all day one thing about quality qualifying today with the strength and depths of Mercedes Nissan and Toyota you always had to be ready to go back out and do it we know the car is quick we know that it's got a good balance but we've got to win the race that's the important thing not today and sadly Ferry Porsche had passed away just a little bit before and I think it's difficult to realize the importance of someone like that in a family company like Porsche without doubt we had extra inspiration that year to go and deliver something that was very special to him as well you know with the grandstands with all the hump and ceremony before the start itself and then when you close the door and you pull first gear and you pull away for the warm-up lap before the rolling start that's you and your own cocoon then you're in your own office there's nothing else it's just you your teammates and 24 hours later the checkered flag do you like do you like that Schneider Schneider goes around the inside oh I told you it's a club free from the beginning ridiculous and a great start by one of those BMWs BMWs serious about this as well Schneider leads Rundle the BMW and the first of the GT one Porsches from the first lap it was clear that the new team from Toyota would be putting up a fight with Toyota BMW and Mercedes to contend with Porsche would have to stare down some challenges from True Giants the first time I was in the car about eight o'clock at night if I remember and we're in the lead and that was the first time we had led this race rainfall provided an opportunity for Porsche to employ a different strategy we were out on slick tires when others had gone to intermediates with ABS system that was functioning very very well and very tunable ABS system and so I was able to adapt my driving style and also the ABS to be able to manage the conditions and still stay out on not an appropriate tire for the condition but one that saved us a pit stop so Sterling Moss said to achieve anything in this game you must be prepared to dabble in the boundary of disaster I overtook our sister car to lead by a lap and I saw maybe 30 seconds later a minute later the water temperature just going up and radioed in to say water temperature going up yep we're monitoring and then they said box no no no it's okay I can I'm sure it's only a sensor and I'm quite emotional now actually we're on the Jacks the sister car was on the Jacks because it had actually gone off and threw the gravel and I could just see this lead and then suddenly it's gone actually and here's a standing in the back of my neck now entire team knew what was at stake as the technical problems threatened to derail their chances at Victory but the pit crew and the mechanics got the GT1 back in the race in second place and then the final moment of the race for me was when it was an hour to go and I was coming into Porsche curves on the left-hand side there was a Toyota sitting there when a blowout crippled the Toyota's 27 car the Porsches broke through and took over first and second and then as I entered into Dunlop chicane I got the radio message from Roland kuzma who is my engineer saying we're in the lead and then I got one from Herbert tamfer keep it to the end don't crash the car yep I'm gonna go for that one and that last hour was stunningly beautiful stunningly long Porsche landed its 16th overall victory at Le Mans and that was a moment 25 years ago but it felt like it was yesterday you know Laurel Stefan and I we were like three children on that podium I think it was the first time we'd done a selfie along with these handout Steph and I taking pictures of three grinning kids on the podium those without doubt are some of the best most natural selfies you will ever have [Music] so in 1998 Porsche wins with the GT1 on the track and what do they do the following year they released this car the 99 GT3 it's got a wing on the back it's low in the front it's got that Messer engine which it just gives you a marvelous sound Hans Metzger is one of those guys one of those guys that's been designing engines for Porsche since the late 50s he had his hand in the early 9 11. he helped design the Porsches that won Le Mans the 917s in 1970 and 1971 and his engine is the engine that powers the GT1 to victory in 1998 for Porsche and then what does Porsche do they say why don't we give our fans a car on the road with one of those messenger engines in it and that is this car right here it wasn't the only significant car around that time Porsche also had its last air-cooled 911 the 98 c2s and there's one of those right behind me driven by none other than Lonnie Unser who's a professional race car driver herself beautiful morning so you've driven one of the most difficult races in the world the Pikes Peak race I was lucky enough to drive it in the Cayman GT4 Club Sport and what a better car to drive it in it was my first year and the Cayman just was amazing it did everything that I wanted it to I was so lucky to drive that iconic race in a Porsche and I hope to be able to one day drive Le Mans in a Porsche as well so Lonnie you come from a racing family is anybody in your family Ever Raised Le Mans yeah my dad is actually the only answered to have run Le Mans he ran it in 1995. and he
almost won the thing and what is it that is so unique about the 24-hour Le Mans for you growing up Lamar is just kind of like the Indy 500 it's one of those races that as a young kid you dream of driving [Music] it would take 17 years before Porsha would contend for an overall win again at Le mall but in 2015 they arrived with one of the most technologically advanced race cars of all time [Music] Ford it was quite a big gap between 1998 and when the 919 finally took its Triumph it's a tremendous tremendous evolution [Applause] Dragon atmosphere's Electric this place is just something special [Music] I was about taking the Aston Martin and just lose some power actually I don't know what happened we have to investigate we fell back around a minute early on in the race we pitted early just as we come out of here the safety car came out for instant on track which set us back quite a lot there was a feeling of oh this is not going our way already of course things got better we got lucky with some technical failures of other cars but at the end of the day we proved to be the fastest car on track as well I do remember once we were fighting I think the number seven Audi well they were trying to stay on the lead lap there was an incident under slow Zone and the cars are kind of side by side and there was very nearly contact things that often happen we all prevailed and uh yeah we got to celebrate Victory Lane 919 didn't just win it dethroned Audi and landed the first of Porsche's three straight overall victories bringing their record-breaking total to 19 wins foreign dominance it's very proud to be part of it [Applause] [Music] hybrid technology at the Forefront of Lamar just didn't exist so much Motorsport runs through the veins of this 918 it's wild to take myself back to seeing the 919 take the overall Victory there was so much relief in the eyes of the drivers the engineers the program managers and it really was a team atmosphere I remember celebrating after the race in hospitality and for Nick as a GT guy and and very little prototype experience to jump in with sort of a third car effort and and to take the victory so many people's plans paid off there's something surreal about cruising down a Coastal Highway in complete electricity completely silent and that reminds me of being at Le Mans 2015 and watching the 919 accelerate out of its pit box in silence and what a treat to have a streetcar that's applying those same learned behaviors from all of the testing on the track with the 919 all right this year the legendary team owner Roger Penske returns with the Porsche hypercar 963 car that would have seemed like something from another planet when Porsche made their debut at Le Mall in 1951. foreign Roger Penske has made no secret that Lamar is One race that he's going to continue to fight to get to and to win is going to be high high competition and I think you'll see plenty of Fender banging well I like to think about Roger Penske a lot looking at that trophy Shelf with one empty spot I gotta win Le Mans his plan is to do that with the 963. I think this was the aesthetically they are beautiful it is such a beautiful creation I can't wait to see what they do I can only say how excited Roger is every time he has an opportunity to be at us at a race weekend or a test day you just clearly see his intensity his desire I think it move us all forward I think every person inside this team is pushing forward to win Le Mans I'm lucky enough now to be driving again with Porsche and Porsche Penske motorsport for me to be a part of this and trying to go and win these massive races across North America in the World Endurance Sports Car Championship it's a massive deal and wouldn't it just be a fairy tale story to to get a win at Le Mans this year [Music] there seems like there's a lot of fear against Toyota more than anyone else or she'll wants to win and they have a history of winning when they put their mind to it that would scare the hell out of me if I were another manufacturer [Music] over 100 years seven decades of Porsche racing in 19 overall victories their history has become Inseparable that is Motorsport and that is what endurance racing is all about unbelievable I'm just impressed like that anything can last 100 years if I see someone that's 100 years old I go hey you did it it's race started with the idea of moving automotive technology forward and here we are a hundred years later and they're still doing it the story is not done Porsche one first with the 917 the 936 the 935 and then the might of the 956 that turned into the nine six two the Porsche GT1 and now it's three wins on the trucks for the Porsche 919 hybrid to me that's what's exciting about this race seeing what turns up this year after the 100th anniversary and then maybe looking back in 25 years and going look that's when that was developed and this is before the cars flew well done everybody a Centenary is without doubt a big busting in the UK you get a letter from you know was the queen and now the king and out goes the flag the races won Porsche have won once again at Lamar all when I think about it I'm extremely fortunate because I raced at the mall 25 times in 26 years the waiting Champion Derek Bell who now doctors up five victories in all and lots of incredible drivers didn't win it I don't know why there's certain drivers should do better than others I think a little bit of our mentality to be able to handle the pressure and come out the other end without getting hurt who was a dangerous spot but we did it we agreed to do it we were happy to do it we survived I think it's a privilege to that we are survivors and there are only few of us left and Portia win the 1998 Lamar 24 hours I'm proud to be a small part of the history I'm proud of my handprints in the center of the town and I'm proud that I've been part of that but also very lucky that it's been part of my life one Solomon's in your veins it never leaves you it's there for the rest of your life now that was a fantastic end to a Lamar 24 hours foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] I think I'm better than you you are [Laughter] no don't say anything but I'm coming up to lap him okay how many times we've got to go around because I get paid by the mile [Music] well if people say how'd you get on with Jackie and you know what you used to say I said never talk to him he's either driving or I am we're never together at the same time that's why we're such good friends because we never had a chance to argue [Laughter] laughs [Music] [Music] foreign foreign