Graphene for Battery Energy Storage with John DeMaio, CEO Graphex Technologies; EP138

the clean Power Hour is brought to you by CPS America the maker of North America's number one three-phase string inverter with over six gigawatts shipped in the US the CPS America product lineup includes three-phase string inverters ranging from 25 to 275 KW their Flagship inverter the CPS 250 275 is designed to work with solar plants ranging from 2 megawatts to 2 gigawatts the 250 275 pairs well with CPS America's exceptional data communication controls and energy storage solutions go to chinpowersystems.com to find out more what are we trying to do I mentioned an industry problem well how do the industry problems become created well we're trying to replace over 100 Years of the ice infrastructure with electric at the same time domesticate the end-to-end supply chain which includes mining right which mining has not been that popular in in the US for example it's more popular up in Canada where they've been for you know decades over a century but there still are you know regulatory hurdles um I don't know societal you know kind of friction that can be created that has to be addressed are you speeding the energy transition here at the clean Power Hour our host Tim Montague and John Weaver bring you the best in solar batteries and clean Technologies every week want to go deeper into decarbonization we do too we're here to help you understand and command the commercial residential and utility solar wind and storage Industries so let's get to it together we can speed the energy transition today on the clean Power Hour my guest is John demaio he is the CEO of Graphics Technologies welcome to the show John hey Tim it's great to be with you again please check out all of our content at cleampowerhour.com give us a rating and a review on Apple and Spotify and please subscribe to our YouTube channel so John it's great to have uh you know this burgeoning ecosystem of storage Technologies and storage companies on the scene uh your company is called graphics and you and you make components for Lithium-ion batteries among other things so give our listeners some background on yourself how did you come to energy storage and what are you up to at Graphics you bet okay well I'll I'll try to be brief on my background I'll summar up to say that I've been in the energy transition space long before it was called that I began in solar concentrators out in the Mojave Desert years and years ago I worked on a lot of combined cycle and heat recovery energy recovery Energy Efficiency type projects at various companies spent a fair number of years at Siemens and the smart infrastructure group where we tackled what I call reduce produce procure protect meaning reducing energy consumption produce on-site procure wisely and then of course protect the those efficiencies over time all in an effort to really reduce the human footprint on the planet from an energy perspective so I've been very proud of the work that I've done over over the years and kind of gravitated towards towards this space um you know I'm running a company which we'll talk about I'm sure we produce the graphite that goes into the batteries for energy storage and electric vehicles Etc but all part of of this again is transition away from fossil fuels and to a more sustainable future so really pleased with the momentum in the industry um it's the first time in my career where I've seen such a strong alignment all across the board meaning you know from legislation to funding to Industry kind of momentum I think we can all agree that this electrification movement is really going only in One Direction and that is towards electrification and away from internal combustion in the case of Transportation so never have I seen the Stars aligned so firmly um to really ensure that this actually happens um you know I've seen some fits and starts over the last several decades you know all kind of cumulatively going in the right direction but but like I said this is this has been a real um across the board kind of push and it's really encouraging to see yeah we're we're at the right place at the right time and that that only happens you know maybe once in your lifetime if you're lucky so it is it is great to be part of the energy transition and electrification of Transportation um you know Americans don't quite see it yet although they certainly saw it in the Super Bowl ads the other day and uh you know companies like GM and Ford are electrifying their fleets and while EVS are just a couple of percentage points of new car sales in the U.S you look to the future look to Northern Europe and you see very large percentages of new cars are pure EVS in in Germany in Norway and uh the writing is on the wall that the internal combustion engine is not as good it's not going to be competitive it's not a matter of liking batteries or not liking batteries it's just not going to be cost cost effective to move things around and so the ice engine is going to disappear and it's going to be a Tipping Point phenomenon ice ice ice water and uh and then poof um so the you know the good news is we have the technology we have some of the major companies now like Tesla that have really seeded the market and got the uh the industry flowing and proven that consumers really do want EVS uh and and now it's going mainstream and within you know it's the latest prediction I think I see are like in the 2030 range when you know internal combustion engines will no longer dominate the U.S car sale

market so we got a few years to go but then it's going to be precipitous and um and Ice engines will go extinct for the vast majority of applications they'll be you know some some Niche applications here and there but um and you know the the oil companies really shouldn't worry too much because we we we're going to make lots of plastic and stuff from oils still um and and it is annoying that the oil companies are kind of fighting the electrification of transportation and and the energy transition but it's it's a lost battle um so let's talk about Graphics though what do you what exactly are you up to how how did the company come to fruition and and what is the uh the market in the you know in the next one to five years yeah you bet so you probably should start with what Graphics does right so we're referred to as a Midstream processor or Midstream refiner of graphite uh into anode material what that translates to is that we we do not do mining right so we you know our in input product is an output from the mind so we receive what's called Blake graphite or graphite concentrate this is the natural product right this is the ore that comes out of the ground is mine is concentrated to a purity of about 95 carbon right so that's what we acquire as input we then take that and refine it to a 99.95 purity put a special coating on it and that becomes the anode material for a battery storage battery or EV battery and within the battery you know you have four basic components a cathode an anode which are the two electrodes positive and minus and then you have electrolyte and separator which are kind of more inert you know kind of facilitators if you will cathode and anode are where the action happens you know electrons go from one to the other during discharge and back backwards during charge so although a lot of um attention over the last decade or so has been placed on the cathode side of the battery the positive anode or the positive electrode that's your lithium nickel Cobalt manganese the anode side is almost always well it is always graphite up to 99 graphite maybe a little bit of silicon sometimes there's a combination of synthetic and natural graphite but the anode is always graphite so basically half of the battery the the you know money making parts of the battery if you will the where the action happens is graphite so in a typical cell individual cell 48 is graphite you expand that out to the entire battery where you may have 800 to 2000 of these individual cells making up a EV battery pack that becomes about 25 28 is graphite so people don't realize there's 15 times more graphite in a battery than there is lithium because there's been so much attention placed on on the lithium side graphite's kind of The Unsung you know kind of the um Anonymous if you will I call it the Working Man inside the battery um it does you know it does an important role it performs an important function in that it stores the electrons and then releases them you know in the dark charge and discharge cycle so it's a hard-working member of the battery ecosystem um it is natural it's stable it's inert um to a large degree it's recyclable meaning that it can be used as you know lubricants and Coatings after it's served its purpose in a battery so it's very versatile material and it just sits there and does its job and there's really no substitute for it in a foreseeable future so we refine that that that graphite we've been doing it for over a decade um primarily solely in in Asia and China because that's where the electric vehicle Market is and that's quite frankly where 90 of the of the world's graphite has come from historically now with that said as electric vehicle proliferation has taken root as you mentioned in North America and now moving into Europe as well there is a need and aside from from the sheer numbers of cars you know Vehicles projected and each vehicle needs a battery in each battery as we just talked about needs graphite there's also a push to domesticate Supply chains you know particularly in North America and to move away you know from countries of concern namely China and maybe some others so Graphics is basically taking what we've learned and perfected in an established ecosystem namely the the China EV market and we're bringing that technology in that know-how to the states to North America and and on into Europe so it's an important kind of um stepping stone if you will a foundational play for this electrification movement that we've we are proud to be a part of and very happy to do it you know into areas that are benefiting from the technology bringing brought in from jobs being created and really from bringing the the auto manufacturing quote unquote back home so that's the role that we play and the product that we provide yeah I'm glad you mentioned onshoring and re-shoring you know China manufactures I think 70 percent of the battery cells the lithium-ion battery sells in the world and they also make 70 of the solar panels that are consumed in the world and uh I have nothing against China I think they're an amazing uh country and and an industrial Powerhouse Bar None but we need to be careful right because it it is um there is the potential for conflict between the US and China and and so we just need to uh you know do our best to regrow our manufacturing sector it used to be a a huge part of the economy and now it's a small a small ish part of the economy but the IRA legislation is incentivizing the restoring and onshoring of battery manufacturing and EV manufacturing and solar panel manufacturing and it's working there have been well over a dozen announcements of major gigafactories and EV factories and solar panel factories since since that happened last I guess August or September so it this kind of industrial policy really does work and it's going to create lots and lots of jobs here in America these are high wage manufacturing jobs and it's going to reduce the supply chain headaches that we've had in the last 24 months of stuff being shipped all over the globe that shipping is going to continue but if it's made closer to home it's going to be less complicated to get our grubbies on it and and make batteries um so that's that's just a good thing and it's a common sense thing really it's it's so interesting you know that that uh graphite in pencils like a a graphite pencil is something that all American children know what it is uh we we forget as we as we grow into adulthood we use pencils less and less depending on our our trade but but um you know you you take that pencil and you draw a line and then you take a piece of Scotch tape on that line right and you can pick up a graphene a single layer of of this pure carbon that is super uh it's it's a super material carbon is so fascinating right it makes diamonds it makes carbon black and then a bunch of stuff in between and um right we're carbon based life forms right that's right we are carbon-based life forms and and so it has it has some very important properties that I did not know that stat though that's great 25 of the battery um by weight Yeah by weight and and uh so it is analogous to the silicon and the solar panels right uh you know there's a lot of other stuff in solar panels but silicon is kind of the backbone but let's talk about let's talk about electrification and and who your customers are exactly you know you know how is the company um coming to North America tell us a little bit about that and and who your customers are going to be so our customers are the um the cell manufacturers right so that that includes all of the the Marquee Brands right those are our Target customers I should say so we haven't um you know we don't have any um contracts in place as of now and that's probably primarily because it's a kind of a long process to go through the qualification of the material to make sure that it's acceptable and will work in their battery configuration Etc so there's a kind of a long testing process that has to go on and we're in in various stages of that process with many of the the automakers and their Affiliated battery Partners right so um uh that's that's you know again our customer base um what we're trying to do you know of course as a commercial you know publicly traded company we're obviously interested in in commercial success but what we're really trying to do um to achieve that is to solve an industry problem right to to bring an industry solution to a need and that need is is the demand for these critical minerals in our case particularly graphite that far outstrips the current Supply so in an ecosystem where you know gigafactories as you mentioned there's announcements upon announcements Etc if you total up the the demand reflected by those announced gigafactories in the next few years we're going to be in deficit or looking for somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 to 500 000 tons of graphite and the current capacity to commercially produce that at scale in the states is zero right so there's a big disconnect between what's going to be needed and what's currently in place to produce that so graphx is is a part of that solution right we represent again that Midstream what we're doing to help solve that overall problem which is end-to-end Supply right meaning from the mind to the battery anode is that we are actively uh partnering with and seeking collaborations with several more than several but quite a few of the mining operations throughout the world right aside from China where again most of the graphite currently comes from we understand that there's you know um Sovereign risk to some degree there's logistical challenges that can happen as we saw with covid right so in an attempt to diversify our own Upstream Supply which in turn diversifies it for the industry we're in discussions and you may have seen some announcements recent Lee for example with Northern graphite up in Canada where we're seeking to form potential joint venture to again secure Supply from the mine to the battery we're seeking similar um kind of arrangements if you will collaborations with mines in Brazil in Australia and Mozambique Tanzania you know so again to diversify that Upstream supply chain to offer resiliency and flexibility as well as being conformance with the with the IRA so that's where I say you know it's it's uh it's in graphics is interest to do that but it's also again attempting to solve an industry problem which is huge demand versus currently not great visibility to how that demand is going to be met with Supply so we're actively engaged in in multiple conversations with multiple miners also bringing in our customer base right because we believe that there is a three-way conversation to be had here um the Paradigm has shifted it's not like the automakers can just specify what they need and there's ample Supply it's just a question of you know which vendor supplies it now we're seeing more active engagement from the automakers and Battery makers looking into the supply chain for you know visibility to ample supply of quality and quantity that they need to fulfill their projections so that's where Graphics I I refer to it as ability with agility right so we know how to do you know our end of the uh the supply chain we're very good at that Midstream refining uh what we're doing now is reaching out on both sides upstream and downstream to bring that that collaboration together in an attempt to really address like I said an industry-wide problem so we're trying to be a good supporter of of the transition to streamline some of these um you know maybe shift the Paradigm a little bit of how critical minerals are you know procured and processed and we're we're happy with the the you know it's a role we can play in that so the raw materials uh for for graphene or graphite they're they're naturally occurring but there's also something that there that there's there's some engineered product as well can you differentiate that the different sources of of graphene and then um are you are you propping up manufacturing facilities in the U.S yes yes we will be so we we have announced uh quite a while ago we announced our intentions to build a facility in Warren Michigan um and that that uh is partially completed as far as like the site preparation um a 15 megawatt power substation has been installed on site to support you know the power needs um and it's a site that was um abandoned basically it had had been a previously integral part of the of the uh ice ecosystem way back in the day and had this site had sat vacant for a number of years um a local group started to redevelop it and we became aware of it and have secured a lease for for part of that site so that we can build a plant there so yes we're talking about you know physical physical plants being built um and now now again we are talking about natural graphite processing and refinement you mentioned I think I think you're referring to synthetic graphite yes that was the word I was hunting for synthetic yeah so similar end product but kind of a whole different um means to get there so synthetic graphite is actually produced from petroleum Coke right uh needle Coke to be specific uh which is as you had just heard me say it's a petroleum byproduct um and that is then refined it's called a carbonization you know or a graphicization process which is very high energy intensive um and then creates a very similar what we call spherical graphite um the advantage to using synthetic right now is it's a swelling characteristic is a little bit better than natural so swelling is a concern within a battery cell as you can imagine right if you have enough swelling in one cell you multiply that by 2000 you know you could have a problem so in relative terms natural graphite upon charging and discharging can swell somewhere between five and maybe eight percent whereas synthetic is between three and five percent so that that difference in swelling characteristics becomes attractive to battery chemistries right which is why you'll sometimes see a combination of the two natural and synthetic on the anode side in some cases some car makers and certain models use 100 synthetic the there's somewhat of a well there's a cost differential because it's very expensive to produce synthetic right now uh there's also a philosophical component that can play into it given that it comes from a petroleum-based product it's very high in energy intensive to create so when you're talking about an electrification movement that's trying to move away from fossil fuel there is some some you know again some philosophical kind of questions that come up synthetic graphite in its production has about a 50 percent more uh carbon impact than its natural graphite counterpart so what we're doing as a company and we have pretty extensive r d efforts that we that we take part in we're looking at ways to reduce the swelling um of synthetic graphite in the charge discharge cycle so that we can bring it more in line with synthetic and hopefully do away with the need for synthetic if that's possible again not to put people out of business to per se but to really focus on a natural product that is really it was a lot of graphite on the planet not a lot of it currently is being extracted so there is ample supply of natural graphite and as I mentioned it's first of all it's natural it's you know it's uh stable in there all the good things that we know for natural synthetics is a different animal um quite frankly the clean Power Hour is brought to you by CPS America the maker of North America's number one three-phase string inverter with over six gigawatts shipped in the US the CPS America product lineup includes three-phase string inverters ranging from 25 to 275 KW their Flagship inverter the CPS 250 275 is designed to work with solar plants ranging from two megawatts to two gigawatts the 250 275 pairs well with CPS America's exceptional data communication controls and energy storage solutions go to chinpowersystems.com to find out more yeah I'm looking at a uh a story on visual capitalist which is a wonderful website for visualizing the materials that we use in the built environment and according to their research and this is now data this is a story from the end of 2021 that the graphene industry is headed to be a three billion dollar industry uh by 2027. um I would not be surprised if that's an underestimate but but you know when you think about scaling you know you mentioned that today there are no native manufacturers of this product for the battery industry and there are battery factories popping up uh left and right and I you know I just had America's battery Factory on the show they're building a factory in Tucson Arizona um and you know there's factories happening in Georgia in Michigan Etc et cetera so clearly there's a large demand for graphene because it's a major component where are they getting the graphene today and um and you know when you build this Factory in Warren Michigan how much of the U.S supply chain is going to be

satisfied with your product right great questions all um so rule of thumb kind of a rough rule of thumb but for every gigawatt hour that a gigafactory is is rated for every gigawatt hour it equates to about 800 to a thousand tons of graphite required right so a 30 gigawatt Factory by and large will require you know 30 000 tons of graphite roughly right so in answer to your question if you look at the projections um into as these gigafactories come online we could be looking at 500 000 tons of Demand by 2028 you know again assuming that they're on schedule um so where's that going to come from we need to basically recreate the ecosystem that China has already got in place right because it's already supporting you know a million tons of graphite requirement currently or on its way to do so so we need to um and you can't you mentioned the Michigan Plan That's rated at 15 000 tons so that is going to be a great kind of first move for us but what we're looking at simultaneously are potential locations where we can locate much larger facilities those that can get up to 100 000 tons per year or maybe even 200 000 and to to look at having several of those located strategically um within North America to support those gigafactories you know that require so there's you know there's a lot of groundwork being done around that right now as far as site suitability all kinds you know the typical decision making you would expect right site the suitability power availability how much that power could possibly be renewable right to decrease the environmental impact of building these plants and of course you know the logistics Etc you know a lot of that though is driven and not just for us right but the decision making that goes into you know expending this amount of capex is definitely related to the security that's felt on the from the customer side as for you know specifically for off-tape agreements you know Supply agreements Etc and I say it doesn't apply just to Graphics right so the domestication effort to bring again from mine to battery for a lot of these critical minerals there are some large capex expenditures that have to be made and the industry is is basically you know looking for some level of commitment from from the customer side uh before you know moving forward with with those large expenditures I think that's an area where the industry um again a lot of the proper elements are in place things like the IRA the bipartisan infrastructure law uh the doe Grant programs etc those are helpful um but you know the the industry has to respond as well with more collaboration I feel that was quoted as saying in an article somewhere that you know we need aggressive more aggressive collaboration and I believe that's true I think car companies Midstream processors like us and graphite and others and other minerals and mining operations have to come together and really work through you know how do we how do we match this Demand with the uh with the current Supply and bringing online more more assets of raw materials and having you know some commitment to procure those on the on the customer side yeah I mean according to PV magazine my my co-host John Weaver wrote an article back in January of 2022 saying we need six terawatt hours of energy storage by 2050 to Electrify the to you know Green the grid and Electrify the grid so to speak um to to go to Net Zero by 2050 okay six terawatt hours if you're looking at that just that's that's 6 000 gigawatt hours right and and so what your factory is going to produce I just did some quick math is is a quarter of a percent of what we're going going to need in gigawatt hours of battery storage so the opportunity but also the challenge of course is that this is a big problem and uh you know you can you can only scale things so fast especially if it's cumbersome uh from a permitting perspective and that's the thing that we in the clean energy transition we energy professionals are really Keen to see change in the US is is the process of Permitting projects is very cumbersome and slow and easy to derail and we need to streamline that and make it much easier and faster to bring projects online because otherwise it's not a matter of the technology it's the amount it's the matter of our ability to deploy the technology fast enough to uh go to go net zero and going Net Zero is just the beginning right we also have to then decarbonize the atmosphere which is 800 gigatons of carbon uh pollution in the in the atmosphere which is a big big problem so I guess I I don't want to rub salt in your wound here John but what keeps you up at night when you think about scaling the the graphite and graphene Industries here in the U.S yeah that's a fair question and I appreciate you you know recognizing that the regulatory environment has to become more streamlined and that that's a that's an industry-wide um sentiment right and it particularly applies to the mining folks right so again when you think about what are we trying to do I mentioned an industry problem well how did the industry problem become created well we're trying to replace over 100 Years of ice infrastructure um with electric at the same time domesticate the end-to-end supply chain which includes mining right which mining has not been that popular in in the US for example it's more popular up in Canada where they've been mining for for you know decades if not you know over a century um but there still are you know regulatory hurdles um I don't know societal you know kind of friction that can be created that has to be addressed right so I I sense in the industry that there's a willingness from industry side to be responsible you know stewards of the environment at the same time of bringing you know the needed Technologies home so to speak so that we can have that domestication but there is there is you know and you and I talked about this uh prior I was in solar as well and you know you do see there's some amount of mimby right um that comes into play particularly in solar when you're talking about large you know large fields of solar panels Etc um but you know that that needs to change I don't think we're going to steamroll over that um but there has to be a balance that gets struck with the the benefits of electrification you know and and what's going to be required to to make that happen to your other point about you know a drop in the bucket basically yes the one plant in Michigan is really about again you know that there's a lot of of uh factors going into that we we really want to bring that technology back to Warren you know the folks of Warren watch the automotive industry kind of leave um and now that it's coming back it's coming back to places like Georgia the South and other places and not we got back to you know the Detroit area so we're happy to to be playing a part bringing jobs to a disadvantaged kind of location and you know we feel like that's a really you know positive thing to do but it's 15 000 tons versus you know 500 000. so that's where I said the the real effort or a parallel effort for graphics is to investigate places where we can build much larger facilities to address that so we're talking maybe a hundred thousand tons you know per per year in multiple locations we'll really start making a dent in that demand and that's where again selfishly speaking we feel that if you're trying to do that transition from internal combustion to electrification domesticated all at once the fastest way to do that is to get experienced players like us to come in and plug and play right so that we can we've already proven that we can do commercial scale right we do 10 000 tons per year now we're expanding that to 20 over the next 12 months and then to 40 this is over in China now so we already know how to do um how to produce at commercial scale and we're talking 10 000 tons 220 000 pounds of microscopic particles that meet exacting specifications not something that everybody can do and I say it's part art and part science so we don't have that ramp up that goes along we did that we already paid our dues so to speak uh before we went commercial spent several years perfecting you know again that hard art part of science thing so we can plug and play here and get up to commercial scale um real fast because we all we're doing is replicating what we know how to do you know and bringing it and just bringing it here so you know we feel like we can help to address the demand in a timely fashion and the last part of your question was where are they where are the car makers getting their their product now well they've been buying completed cells and battery packs you know from Asia here to four right so um it's only when they build the gigafactories where they're going to make their own cells that they will need the raw materials so we're looking at probably 2025 and Beyond as to when those gigafactories will actually need you know the the graphite powder you know to go into um their anodes so right now they've got enough you know um buffer in their current supply chain to get them through the next couple years so we have some time to catch up but you know the clock is ticking um as you rightfully pointed out yeah well I love it that you know we're seeing we're seeing Chinese companies we're seeing Korean companies we're seeing Asian companies writ large you know invest in factories in the united in the United States now and um it's it's high time um we you know what what one of the things that really frustrates me is that we are are busy educating some of the best Engineers from all over the world at our universities which which are still uh some of the the best universities in the world from a technical perspective and then our our immigration policy a policy is such that we send all those Engineers back home and very few of them end up remaining and becoming American citizens and and that brain drain is is really not good for our future um so we we need to really reconsider our immigration policy in this country big time so what else John should our listeners know about Graphics Technologies and and electrification of of everything I you know I'm really pleased to have you on the show and I and I wish you the the best in in scaling uh clearly right there's a ginormous opportunity here and and need to uh to onshore graphene graphite production yeah I guess another thing because you touched on on the uh you know the immigration so people you know should recognize Graphics is not a Chinese company right we are considered a foreign entity in China um so uh you know most of our ownership is is U.S Canadian UK et cetera I bring that up because it makes it and we spent you know a fair amount of uh of effort to maintain that Holy foreign owned Enterprise status because it gives us that flexibility to bring technology this the technology is our own so we can bring that over to the states without any kind of impairment or impediment um as well as the talent that's required to um to burn in these new these new plants so it's another element of it's actually one of the things where we're very pleased with is that we are bringing uh we're not bringing technology back to the US because this technology is not here right now we're actually bringing technology from Asia from China to the US and that's against the trend that that a lot of folks have been kind of frustrated with over the last several decades so we're happy to share that technology with with North America and with the rest of the world uh the lessons that we've learned the the expertise that we've developed and bring that here for the benefit of really of mankind mind if you really think about it right because the electrification effort is is good for all of us so we really want to play a foundational role in this in this movement right and we're willing to to look Beyond just straight you know profit and loss etc for graphics and really be a player a a good player right and a good teammate in this transition with our customer of counterparts and our supply and counterparts and the regulatory bodies the states the local governments Etc this is a win-win for everybody to make this to make this happen and we're absolutely you know not only willing but trying to be proactive in in making this happen so it's more than just making graphite and selling it to automakers it's really about being a part of this transition which I've been after my whole career my whole life really um I think we you know not to wax too philosophical but it's a finite number of amount of resources on the planet and I want to leave you know something behind uh for the for my kids that's going to be sustainable and this has been you know this is a an effort that's very very much in that right direction yeah yeah I mean it's very hard for Humanity to figure out sustainability it's not in our DNA per se right we evolved in a world that was empty and now the world is full and we need to change our ways and uh become much more enlightened actually about how we're doing business on Earth because we are currently shooting ourselves in the foot and creating a very uncertain future for future Generations humans Will Survive climate change but it's a question whether or not we will survive it with the grace and well-being that we've come for the last couple of hundred years right riding the the Boom in in fossil fuels that that source of energy is is very very large and dense right and it's hard to replace fossil fuels with other Technologies and but we clearly have to do that we have the technology we have to make the transition to question of can we do it fast enough so well I will let you go John I really appreciate your time and what you guys are up to at Graphics Technologies how can our listeners reach you John directly uh you know uh I I can give you my my contact info we have a phone number that's published on our website that will usually find its way to me um graphicsgroup.com so I'm readily available you know I try to publish as much as I can um just status updates about Graphics but I also have been asked for a number of bylines and whatnot about the industry itself so I I like to be considered an industry resource not just a graphite guy so to speak so linkedin's probably a good place to go um again the the website needs a little bit of a refresh but people can reach me through that as well but I would say linkedin's probably um the most direct way and of course like I said my email is available on that great well check out all of our content at cleanpowerour.com please give

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