Ancient Technology Podcast - Aswan Scoop Marks and Stone Softening | Marcell Fóti
there is a list of things ancient Egyptians use Natron for like mumification washing mumification drying food medical treatment whatever a lot of reasons I don't think they they carved the statues with molten Natron I think they carved the granite to create waterglass to cast a statue you hear this nonsense that gr is is and destructable and the mock scale and you do do a half an hour experiment and and grain it just falls apart so the mainstream explanation is is ridiculous metal SM metal yeah metal smelting but if you go in the back look in the background there is this pile of whitish whatever in the on the same in the same picture here yeah I think it can be either the the end product so water glass contaminate with coal or the ingredients of this smelting nron plus charcoal so your theory that they use some kind of a mold and they made these precise um statues with this technique with the water glass using some ash yeah yeah as you can see in a the color is different depending on the Ash and and the qualities are different and there is a strange P tree called Stone Pine and it's in the mediterraneum I don't think you need a mold because it hardens so fast you don't need it if you watch closely the stones in Peru you can see that they use some kind of wooden boards just to keep the the material for a few minutes and remove the boards and that's it no [Music] M so we are here in Budapest Hungary and uh this is a new studio it's a rented Studio that's why the background and everything has changed uh and I'm here with Marcell Fóti 40 um I met with your work on X or Twitter and I really wanted to talk about this um Granite melting and etching which is basically the focus of your work mhm and um your website is theory.com Natron theory.com yeah so I walked through on that website and it was quite interesting how you can explain the scoop marks in Egypt for example and um maybe we should walk through your your website and you can explain I first I really would like to know who are you and uh why you started this investigation and and how this entire Journey started um so okay thank you thank you for the invitation and what uh how how to start okay so this whole story started a year ago uh no it started before covid because the I used to be an IT guy and I had an IT company which I sold in 2020 and then I had a lot of free time and resources to to go around the globe and traveling and then Co hit and and the the lockdowns followed and basically I I couldn't travel obviously so I started to travel online and this is the way I run into the these these mistbuster guys like ban with unchs and Jeffrey drum with the what was the name of this land of Cam land of Cam yeah and uh and uh after a while I I thought I could do something I cannot travel but I can do the same as Jeff did to select a mystery and solve it solve the mystery by sitting at home and clicking and why not and I selected the scoop marks basically randomly it was just a nice mystery to solve with an official explanation which is totally stupid it's out of this world it's so you're referring to the pounding Stone pound yeah yeah yeah if if you think about it the the the official explanation is that you are pounding the the bottom of the depressions yeah instead of hitting the ridges and poof create much more impact so hitting the bottom of of these pits is is just stupid I was there and I tried to use this pounding Stone in the Quarry and you don't have enough space to to speed up the stone I mean you can imagine 100 people doing the same next to each other but you don't have enough space to move that stone with with the right force with the right speed so it's just just funny and if I'm if I'm not mistaken um a few years back before you entered the Quarry you had to watch kind of a propaganda video about how yeah should I Heard done yeah it's funny imprinting okay so I I choose this one and uh I have a good friend who is as crazy as me and uh first of all I checked how Granny is uh how how modern people working with granite what what tools they are using to to cat Granite just to cut it in half or something and I was shocked that they are using plain water no abrasive nothing just just just water jet tap water and I thought that tap water uh so can I build a machine to reach that pressure that we can reach in the 21st century can I build that machine with caveman tools only to have this I can't remember very well a thousand bars bar or something and just use the water jet to create the the scoop marks yeah and I asked one of my friends to to help me to create this huge Flintstone machine from wood and stones and leather and copper I don't know and he was he's crazy but he was smart enough to tell me that he have he he would help me to create this machine only if I watch this video where somebody is telling that he and uh how was it he he knew he knew the secret of of the pyramid stones and that the pyramid stones are artificial so if I look that video and I I still want to build this giant machine then we will build this giant machine and we watched that video and the guy uh did the The Impossible he said he told that he has this piece of Stone from the Great Pyramid and he put it in a a bowl of boiling water and and the stone the pyramid Stone just fall apart and we were just sitting there it was a limestone look right RM yeah that's Limestone and this is a Hungarian YouTuber by the way that you you can check him yeah yeah and we were just sitting there and and thought that this this this is something next level if it's true uh and this and the other thing I turned into chemicals is that is that reaching this high pressure with water requires a 1000 m High column of water or something like this so it's close to Impossible and the these two let me switch to chemicals which I knew nothing about because as I told you I I used to be it guy so basically nothing just I I I knew what T tit tition titration titration means because I make wine at home I'm a secret wine maker but that's it nothing else that's cool and sorry uh What uh field of it were you in what what did you do training training basically I had an IT training company okay let this Flintstone machine behind and let's try with chemicals but we all know that most of the chemicals cannot do any harm to Granite most of the acids most of the alkaly it it's fule to to try you don't try it because it's so hard as as as uh all these all these guys telling us on YouTube it's eight on the mock scale or something yeah it's very hard it's undestructible it's not undestructible but it's quite hard compared to the Limestone and sandstone and these but there is this my that you you cannot do anything with with chemicals I started to to investigate the composition of granite it's not uh it's not a single material it's a composite and I found out that the glue the bonding so the the glue of granite is quartz yeah and then I I I started to investigate how to decompose quartz and this was that led me to natur I found it online that n molon nron will dissolve quartz which basically means M nron dissolves any kind of volcanic Stones because all of them has the same glue it's quartz CO2 and I tried to do it to I and I tried to etch a piece of granite at home and I was very very lucky because my very first try was successful what I did is I put some car charcoal in a grill chimney you know this when you light the charcoal on the bottom I put a tin can in it I put the piece of granite and some spoons of nron into the tin can put the rest of the charcoal around it light it up let it burn down and when I open the tin can the granite the piece of granite was badly edged first try this where do you get the naturon from oh it's it's it's in a it the the the first batch was from my wife she had some amount of nrum because of some washing project or something I don't know so it's freely available in any pharmacy basically yeah you don't even need a pharmacy maybe no it's in the hardware shops because the next batch a big big uh uh box of N I bought in a hardware store so it's freely available it's cheap so and and being successful for the first try is a curse because I wasn't able to recreate these scoop marks ever since so it it it works in theory it works in vitro it works in a grill chimney but I I couldn't you couldn't skate it up yet yeah still yeah because of stupid mistakes I know a lot of stupid mistakes because of of of the thinking of the mod man uh one problem is that uh the nrum we buy is not it's the chemically it's the same that you find in Egypt but basically it's it's a fine OD so you if you use a compressor to heat up the the charcoal you just blow away the nron and you are heating up the big nothing MH this kind of stupid things so I I'm sure I will create I will be able to create a successful uh scoop Mark by following the the old recipe the old formula which was found some member of this this community because there is a mual called Tombo freak Meer and in that mual there is a clear description how to do it maybe we should walk through your web page maybe it's easier yes yeah it's there there is a list of things ancient Egyptians use n for like mic wash washing mumification drying food medical treatment whatever a lot of reasons so it was a widely known chemical resource in Egypt and abundant yes yeah yeah so modern day archaeologist know about this so it's it's a well-known thing that they use Natron or it's a kind of a not very noticed e good question I don't know they they I I think they neglect it so they nected yeah yeah so it's not it was used yeah not important next question so basically they know the the role of n but they don't think it's it's so important than it is and yeah and and this is this is where I I insist on trying nron in in every form I I'm sure they tried it with water without with pile without in every combination what this material can do why not and there's a proof dated it if you go down just a little bit these yeah the the stop these glass beads are the proof that they they tried nron heat in heated form because glass is not nothing guys than nron plus Limestone plus sand that's it is that possible to use purely sand for glass to Cle glass oh I I don't yeah I I think you need much higher temperature to do that so they if if you add natron to the mix the temperature can go down to this 851 de C and and I see and so it's lowering the melting point of the of the mix right yeah and basically if if they created glass bits then they then they heated up natron to to the 851 de C for sure it's not a question but is it proven that they used the Natron for glass or is just a theory because if it's not proven then we it's kind of a weak point right but this this kind of glass is called nrum glass ah okay okay okay I didn't know that I was just asking because I didn't know that yeah yeah you have to check it on Wikipedia what naturum glass is basically every window glass is nron glass so even today we are using a lot of nron to create window glass should we go further yeah next one it yeah this is the explanation of glass okay and it's a joke yeah so you are kind of representing your idea with these Domino style so yeah you think that a lot of um so this is kind of House of Cards where we can just prove that it's possible to melt and to change the mechanical properties of granite with with this technique and then lot of mystery and conspiracy thing will fall apart or I hope so that's why you representing this like a doo yeah yeah first and the second is that this is so wide now and I I didn't want newcomers to to get lost it's like an Ikea there is a one way yeah to go and you you cannot go here and there and back and forth and tell that oh it's it's it's ridiculous it's not true you have to go through the the main points before judging that's why it's it's created this way this Domino style yeah so here you are representing that there are some acids like Hy hydrofluoric hydrochloric acid can the the the granite yes but it's quite dangerous and very hard to maintain yeah yeah they they they keep it in a plastic bottle but I I don't think ancient Egyptians had plastic bottles so you cannot store it in metal containers you cannot store it in uh in a vase or in a in a in a glass container it's a room temperature liquid and it's a challenge to to even store it and the next problem is that if you touch it you can basically die because it it somehow creates a short circuit in your body or something and and it it can cause heart attack even if you just touch it so it's it's it's terrible okay weird hey that's weird yeah yeah but they actually I I run into it when I was uh at the University uh doing a my spectr spectrometry analysis of my pyramid Stone and they decomposed the this piece of stone with this hydrlc acid so it's in use in the 21st century but not in the past no and then Here Comes naturon This these are the properties it's a white powder blah blah blah what is important that ancient Egyptians had immense amount of nature from where from v n the name of the village is still the same and this is the name body naturum where the name from natrium or sodium is coming and and this Village is near Cairo in the desert and and this is a this this used to be a salty lake and when it dried out uh it left nron on the surface in in quantities so it's it's a lot and how how can you get it out from this solution because if there's a lake still inside it's kind of a solution of some but okay but the the when the lake dries out it's not a solution anymore it's it's precipitated on the around the lake yeah but in the Egyptian times probably it was Lake still and also in in your in your um uh tomb Chapel depiction of how they creating these scoop marks we will see that they are kind of using or some pouring out some water or collecting some water from the lake or something it's it's on the depiction there's a lake and trees all around right but it's it's in in a different there there are levels on this mual and the this this Lake and the guy doing something with the water is is in a different cartoon okay so it's not connected to the nature I don't I don't know if if if we tried to read this as a cartoon that you have to jump back and forth I don't know that that's that can be a I don't know honestly we check it because how can they how can they get out the nron from the lake or I mean probably it's kind of um they couldn't mine it right so it was not possible to mine it was just a remained on the dried out lake side yeah but it happens every summer so if we if you can go to the map I can show you why Hungary is a nron Empire so Hungary has big nron sources resources still still used to be used to have and I can show you uh these salt lakes near catch C in Hungary in Hungary yeah these are the salty lakes here so you can turn in turn the satellites yeah and zoom in again somewhere here this is the a series of nron leges go in go in zoom in zoom in Zoom zo zo zo zoom and this is how nature looks like in summertime when the lake no no no up this is not the white one that that this it's it's it's actually it's precipitating yeah that that's it you see so how do you collect it by hand and that's it when there is no more water there it's summer time basically it's a seasonal thing that the these leges produce Natron yeah I'm just thinking that if they use Natron for all these things which they built with granite then they must have a very very huge am yeah endless amount is is good enough but but these sites do have endless amount of nature it can be quite thick and there are several leaks as you can see here have you ever made any kind of calculation how much nron would you need for one scoop Mark I don't know no not really but having these legs I don't think it's a problem it shouldn't be a problem even today and and this is Hungary and is not this is not what nature this is this is a lake a cities of lakes nobody knows about it's not a high yield n producing site it's just interesting so let's go back to the website so yes we have the N yeah and and this is my very first try to to etch the granite and it I was quite surprised it was so easy so out of this world you hear this nonsense that GRE is undestructible and the mock scale and and you do do a half an hour experiment and and grainy just falls apart it's was very surprising yeah I think the the mo scale is important for this aspect just to get an idea how hard is it to work with yeah right I and I didn't say that mo mo is not precise it's it's very valuable but in a sense it's irr irrelevant when you at the stone who cares you you just decompose the chemical bonds and it's not it's it's not on the mo scale anymore because it's not graned anymore but the the color of it actually it's quite quite different from those which you can see in us one uh which one uh The Edge part yes the edge part is is yeah but the greens are Reddish because I have I have the grain from this so I I I'm not sure why is it so gray here the the greay are has a has a yellow uh red red redish color the the remove part mhm yeah it looks strange okay so etching is possible we can change the physical properties if you go up if you go up there is this is the this is the very same red granite up there yeah the blue one and you see this this etching is blue this is the very same Stone but uh hydr Floric acid no no no it's Natron it's nron it was Ed in a Kil not not in my uh Grill chimney but I I took bring it to caramist and put it in his big K doing the same and as you can see it turned real and all of your exp how how many times did you make these etching on the granite uh weekly so it's your weekend project yeah it's a weekend project um and every time it's this colorless mine no it's not like this it it's a the the soft part has been removed on this one so it's not like it it looks like it was edged MH it's a there is a yellowish half hard foam on it and this is when the foam was removed and that foam is the water glass we are producing and that's get back to that one yeah all right okay but um so it's it's the clean I cleaned it with the toothbrush and then after cleaning it like looks like this okay because the as one Quarry is what I have seen there it's nothing like this in terms of the color yeah I I don't think it's a problem you you you can give some thousands of years to for the weather to remove this layer this is soft again and you can and you will get to the the the green part easily the the red part oh the red part yeah Green part would be very interesting sorry yeah and um so you're saying that after this etching you can basically modify carve it cut cut it easily more easily hit it with a pounding Stone and it's reasonable to hit it with a pounding Stone because you have the the the semi hard water glass on the surface you have to crush out and it will be crushed there's a layer of water glass on this and in the pit and to remove the water glass it's highly reasonable to hit it with a di di Stone and to hit the bottom of the pit because the water glass is there [Music] mhm it's it's it's a bit deceiving water glass can be a solution but in this case it's it's a hard substance after itching it's not a liquid and this is when I pour pour some [ __ ] nature onto to the surface of the granite and it will not Edge to Granite because the heat drop so drastically that there is no chance that it it could Edge this way so you have to maintain the heat yes uh for how long approximately or or how could if it's not working like this no it's not working then how could the old people do this okay it's on it's on the murial so if you put a charcoal on the surface of the granite and naton on the surface of the granite and you are maintaining the fire and with food Bellows and you you give extra air because if you if you use air charcoal can go up to 1,200 de C easily it's not a problem yeah I did that experiment it's quite with the compressor compressor yes I just posted it today that the main problem with the compressor that it will blow away the nrum from the surface so you are watching the big nothing what happened but the the Bellows won't blow it away uh I mean no not the Ancient One the ancient one is not this fine powder it's it's a it's from grees yeah and yeah as it precipitates it's uh how to say it's small pieces yeah grains or yeah fractions or yeah pieces it's funny that two Hungarian guys are talking in English and trying to guess a word okay so you have the molten nron and you can Edge the granite yeah and you think they used it for the statues and other volcanic rocks as well to formulate and to carve and and uh uh okay this etching process is not br prous you cannot tell nron where to go so I I don't think they they carve the statues with M Nation I think they car the granite to create water to cast the statue okay okay because if you try to tell natum where to go you will fail because it will go wherever it wants no no I meant softening the the volcanic rock types for the for the statues and then just carve the statues it's not softening it it's not soft it's not the same Stone anymore it's it's yeah it's softer but it's not the same Stone anymore there's a chemical reaction going down and and the end result is not the volcanic rock anymore you you just you are just removing the binder and you will end up with a lot of grains so it's not it's not the magical softening the stone and hardening back no it's not it's decomposing the stone I see all right and here here we are with the scoop marks by the way I I've never been in Egypt but can you see on the in the first picture the the the slight color difference of the unfinished aisk it's it's a kind of greenish grayish compared to the surrounding Stones so how can it be the same Stone if it has this different color from a certain angle if you are on the surface you cannot see this but yeah I couldn't see this on the surface yeah but from a drone this is what you can see there is a certain uh angle and a certain light sunlight I don't know how to express so it's it's not visible all the time but there is a lucky period when you can see that it has a different color in different light conditions it it gives you a different color or colored picture or something all right but if you just look at the side of the OB and the side of the the pit they say that this this is the same material but the one is grayish the other one is yellowish how is it possible how is it possible it doesn't have to be the same I mean it's the Bedrock probably there it doesn't have to be the same color in every aspect so the grate is also changing its color through different layers but yeah it's uh it's interesting yeah it's it's very strange but I couldn't see that grayish part which you had after the the edging I couldn't see I I don't think it's a problem because so many years went by so erosion could easily remove that that gray part and you will end up with the the original Stone and what kind of surface pattern or Texture would you expect after this um grayish edged part is removed by erosion scoop marks scoop what what kind of you can you could see still the the crystal uh parts of the granite or right after etching it yes I mean after you remove the eroded etched part how how does it look like what does it look like yeah it's it's like normal Granite uh no you can clearly see something has happened you cannot remove uh all the decomposed material with the magic one so you can see that it's it's damaged mhm and but I don't I don't think this this damage part will be there after several Millennia so you and at the end you will end up with basically the the unach the granes at the bottom of the scoop marks as well what I did see in as one that was also interesting that some parts of the Quarry had flexible layers of granite so you could walk on and it was on the stone and you could basically uh rip off some a layer thicker layers uhhuh of the Quarry basically I think it's heat it's just just simple heat heating Granite will remove lers even in my experiments so yeah when I when I tried to heat up a slab of a granite slab to a th000 Dees uh huge parts of the Granite was liberated mhm yeah and um you can also see in for example in on the Giza Plateau um in the valley temple in front of the the pyramids next to the to the Sphinx that um basically they have or they use some kind of granite blocks where you can see that the the outer layer is eroded much differently it's like like uh when a snake is removing its skin or something like that so the outer layer of the gr different and it's changed but in a different way it's like crumbling or something obviously not two Granite are the same and different kind of erosions could happen and all this stuff but it's interesting would you think that it's it's kind of a byproduct of this technology uh when you are ready with the etching and you produce some water glass the next step is use that water glass and to cast stone stone and casting uh is prone to the mixing procedure you use so these kind of layered and here and there eroded granits slabs or statues yeah can be explained with casting because if you do a bad mix that will result in a bad Stone it's that easy so you are mixing mixing some mix is okay next one is no because the uh the workers were drunk or I don't know whatever and you are just mixing different quality artificial Gran yeah we will come back to the casting but um it's just interesting to see that um those kind of granite blocks had a very weird erosion on their outer layer um okay so you said you couldn't reproduce the scoop marks yet yeah but I will because everything is it's working in vro to to say something scientific so there is a scientific proof it it's working and I can heat up the granite laab in open air to 100 1, 100° no problem and then this is a fresh realization that the modern day n nrum powder is just too light if you use a compressor it will just flow away and you are matching with nothing uh and this this realization is is a week old or two weeks old so because some whenever it whenever I fail I don't give up but my mind starts searching for explanations and after a while what let's try this and I think it's it's a valid one that if you have this this fine po and you blow it it will go away and it's not there to to do the work and I when when you put it in a thing can it's a different experiment there is no moving air there is no nothing that could uh ruin the experiment but when you go to the to the Quarry and try to do it open a all the conditions are different but there is no such thing that something that works in vro okay will not work outside in the Quarry why it wouldn't the same Granite the same now it's not the same nrum because mine is too too fine the same heat it will be working it's just a lot of experiment and and try and failure how do you want to make it work easy I just created bigger grains of nron already actually I created a a big one like this like a soap and I told I told the compressor blow this compressor so it will be done it's just question of time and experimenting but if you remove the nrum from the from the lake from from where where it precipitates naturally you will have this piece of nron it's not a powder and it's I I think it's not a question that that you put the charcoal give it the air and it will Edge the granite but uh I would love to see that part after remove these the the surface the granite Surface after you remove the edged uh layer Crush by by using a pounding Stone because I I always use no whatever that's there whatever is this when I washed it down but you cannot remove more more of these I with the toothbrush no I use the toothbrush remember because it's just the the color is just so different and okay we can go on and we can come back to this part so here you are representing that it can be yeah that that there is there is the water glass on it this the yellowish this is the yellow this kind this time it's it's yellowish it depends on the volcanic Stone ingredients so it it basically that yeah in this case it's it's a yellowish thing and it's easy to crush with your fingers and if you use a direct pounding Stone it's more even more easy and if you crush that you you get the the pure Granite again with the same rose color H good question I was it down I didn't do that I don't know I I I can't remember I can't recall when I just crashed it and and look it what what it looks like because because I don't know why it was easier to wash it down but in need okay okay it can be a modern day problem it was so easy to wash it down the I washed it down but if you are in the desert you have no water you crush it you don't want you don't even try to wash it with a lot of water because you don't have a lot of water but I admit I never tried to just crush it I I put it in water and washed it down with and you are confident that the erosion could remove this grayish layer yeah yeah because because the hardest tool I used was a toothbrush remember MH okay so basically you Pro that it can be with um ancient tools you can chemically modify granite and you can chemically it chemically decompose that's a better word here we can see this method here yeah theber yes yeah and this is the lake you you were talking about yeah that was the lake I was and the guys etching the the floor above above this leg and and there's a line there so it's a different phase so here we can see that according to you probably it's the the etching process where they are yeah yeah gr yeah on the left there are two guys hitting the floor and the official explanation that they are smelting they are smelting metal copper or something if you go a little bit down just a few CM few inches sorry yeah you can see the two guys using food Bellows with uh strings because they didn't invent the iron yet so they didn't have the string string to push it back so they are just using the string and they and they hitting the the metal on the floor which is at least questionable which is white no I think the bluish thing is is is is the metal I don't know but I mean if if it's white then it's quite similar to the Natron yeah it's it's it looks like Natron anyway but imagine this you are melting the copper on the floor it doesn't make any sense and then what so basically you end up with a puddle of copper and then what so I don't think it's it's reasonable but if they are hitting the floor Flor yeah so it's quite funny that it's it's a so the mainstream explanation is is ridiculous metal metal yeah metal smelting but if you go in the back look in the background there is this pile of whitish whatever in the on the same in the same picture here yeah in the background yeah and the black one I think it can be either the the end product so water glass dominated with coal or the ingredients of this smelting nron plus charcoal one of the two and then when then when they Edge the the granite on the floor you we can go back to the the big the bigger up up there uh they also use some kind of boiling process or something and one of the guys on X told us that they are cleaning the water glass can you see those small raises and they are pouring something into those raises yeah on some slab yeah on a something bigger rectangular something yeah and I and I tried as as I told you I washed down the water glass because I don't know this was my idea to wash it down and I left it in in plastic uh container ERS and after a while uh there are some nron that is hasn't been used and this nron precipitates on the top because nron does the same all the time even it's a it's a salty lake or this material it will go up to the top and precipitates and yes using these vases you can remove the uh the that part of nron that could be remain intact because of the heating was not perfect or something so those guys are cleaning the water glass H probably so this is the collection of the water glass with the vases also yeah this is this is uh water glass in a in a solution it's it's liquid now they washed it down they they crushed it from I don't know where the crushing phase is not here it's sad but they crushed it and they uh dissolved it in water and they pour this water glass solution into the Wes and wait a few days for the the rest of the natrium to come up and precipitate so it's not a it's not a fast reaction which one or when you have the the water glass coming out of the Granite basically uh the hard dry water glass uh it it goes into so no we are no we are it can be fast we are waiting for the nron to go on the top because nron is not needed it's just uh it's not activated so you you use some amount of nron for the etching and what if some of the the nron do not Edge the stone so the excess nron excess NR let's call it excess N Flow up yeah and it will because it's a solution by then it will go on the top and precipitates so it will look like Natron uh water glass nothing grains Granite grains Granite grains yeah okay mhm so my interpretation was that they are using or uh heating up the Natron there with the Bellows and then they are putting they are holding the two guys are holding with probably some some rods or some handles I don't know some wood or whatever they are holding these these something in the middle which is pro probably heated up and then they are pouring my my interpretation was that they pouring the the smelted nron on on the this block into the vases somehow and then they are collecting the water glass which no the water glass is created in step one when you heat up the floor and the nron reaches 851 Dees like back to the Back to the Future when the speed hits 88 miles so when you it was a joke when you heat it up to 851 degrees it will do its work in the first phase and aches the floor actually the floor but how can you be so sure that it's a granite floor I I couldn't see any granite okay they are they are smelting something but the very important part that what they are using for this it's not depicted on the picture I couldn't see the the obelis or granite or whatever is so here there is only something on the floor but this is supposed to happen on the granite itself if I'm not mistaken yeah but this this is a very tiny slab of granite they are not depicting uh bigger Stones I had no problem that they are not standing on a hill because what what they are using they are etching the surface and for me that line is a Surface I I had no problem with this to depict ah I see so you needed that that huge block there to be a h huge block yeah so okay so that's why I thought that block there is the granite and they are putting these phases on it no it's not working no no because whatever they are putting it in here it's not hot enough if they are they can pour it it's not hot enough easy you've seen my molon nrum pouring onto the granite SL and nothing happens because of the heat is escaping so fast no you need this Amber and charcoal what's that Heap heap of Amber and heap of charcoal to to heat up the the surface of the Granite the the other on the other side these guys with the vases no it's not working when I saw your uh molten n experiment where you poured it on the granite I thought it's the same here but it's not working because the heat is dissipating yeah yeah okay it only works when the molten nron finds the the CO2 silicon deoxide right away mhm and it and then there is a strange chemical reaction because at the end of the day w we didn't talk about the the chemical composition of nron it's na2 CO3 and water glasses ne2 SE O3 so the coal was replaced with silicon mhm and that's the reaction and it has to be be done immediately when nron gets this heat and melted it it will look for this replacement silicon and grab it out from everything mhm and the last one yeah food Bellows yeah and you think that these are the same witness marks on on the yeah I think those are scoop marks Stonehenge and all these sides yeah yeah yeah yes yes what are these Granite it doesn't matter if it's Limestone that's a different story but until it's volc rock containing silicon as a binder yes mhm okay so what's the next Domino what's the next Domino ah and we are here casting with the geop we are here with the with the result basically the byproduct of this process yeah yeah light the waste product which is not waste at all but the main ingredient of geopolymers and it was you discovered this first or immediately after doing this etching experiment that this can be used for something uh which left off yeah that was a when I realized that the end result is this water glass I was in shock because I knew something about geopolymers this is the concrete without Portland cement this is the concrete of the future this is the concrete of the universe because you you cannot build anything on the surface of the Moon or on the surface of the Mars if you need Portland cement which needs Limestone which needs life which needs oceans it's it's impossible and and bringing Portland cement to the Mars is just stupid but geopolymer is kind of a concrete that can be created locally with local materials and when I realized that the end of the etching process is water glass I was in shock because I knew it's for stone making we know it's for stone making nowadays nowadays yeah but we have no proof that they used it also in the in Antiquity uh if you are looking for a proof you have to change the stone analyzis science all together uh how how can you tell that the stone is artificial and if you look this the analyis to one by one all of them are it's hard it's a strong word to say it's useless but close to useless for example I brought my pyramid Stone into the university for mass spectrometry and at that point I learned that M spectrometry cannot see some materials only the most important ones cannot be seen in in the results of the must spectrometry like hydrogen oxygen coal silicium or silica these tools cannot see that and there is a handheld device which you can use for example in Egypt you go to to a a Gran statue and you push it this enter device it's called xrf xray I don't know the F but fluoresence xray fluoresence so it's fluoresence dating basically no it's not dating telling what's what's the composition of the stone to tell it's if it's if it's artificial or not and and this tool is like M spectrometry it just cannot see hydrogen hydrogen oxygen coal silica so you have these analyzis tools you cannot see the most important atoms of this Stone oh it's a long story it's a different podcast but anyway uh you cannot decide with modern photo or mass spectrometry yeah actually they they use they have to use an an assumption they call it a calibration they calibrate the tool to to tell them what's in the material you have to decide pre-decide what you will see because it's half blind so if you pred decide that your stone is natural and you use this tool calibrated for a natural stone it will tie you with natural and if you don't have a calibration for artificial Stones as you don't have you will never have a result that it's artificial have you talked about this with geologists yes yeah what we I have a geologist friend and he told me that they don't use this modern chili Wily stuff at all they use how to say bloody old technology to to Define what the stone is like hammering it and measuring it and boiling it and measuring how much water gets in and evaporating the there is always water in these Stones it's just the the the amount of water that's can be very small and and different so they use kind of caveman analyzes tools no not tools at all to tell what's in a stone because the 21st century analyzis tools are half blind so where this water glass LED you to the geopolymers yeah yeah yeah I knew I knew already that people yeah it's 3D painting a house with geopolymer I I think it's stupid to 3D anyway they are using it with with a giant 3D printer to print How uh homes uh and actually what's what's really interesting that this uh water glass will crystallize everything if you go up just a little bit there is a oh here we are this colorful picture uh in elementary stool we school we had a chemistry teacher showing this phenomenon that he pour some uh metal oxides and other materials into a water glass liquid and it doesn't matter what he was pouring in it it crystallized like this like these random trees so water glass is is a strange material crystall crystallizing everything but if you give give it aluminium or aluminium oxide it will crystallize it to a he Stone and and that was the point I was thinking about what ancient material can have aluminum oxide in it to create a stone because these modern days geopolymers are created with a modern day material water glass plus so-call metacholine and okay I found metacin in Egypt it's another story but first I tried to replace this metac Colin thing to something ancient and still create a stone with water glass so you have a lot of water glass after the etching process and and you are there as a caveman or ancient Egyptians and looking at it and try to mix it with s things I guess why not how to discover glass try to mix something mix mix things so you have this water glass thing and you mix it with this and that and this and that and oops one of your mix will turn into a stone what can it be and I I didn't know what's in a in a in a wood Dash who knows nobody knows it's dirt it's just a great dirt Woodes but it turned out that it's it's different for every plant first of all and it contains metal oxides a lot of and different and by the way I have this these samples here these are my cast stones and the color difference is only because I use different kind of Wes this one is tuya I don't know it's in English but I think it's tuya tuya is tuya and it's quite white it's almost like Limestone but it's not it's a geopolymer tuya tuya is tuya yeah this this one I can't remember exactly but I think it's it's Redwood and the last one is I think this is the the Norway spruce so these are all kind of pine trees PE pine trees because now in when I try to cast the stone I failed miserably for months because I didn't know which kind of plants has aluminum in it and I asked the biologist to tell me which plant has Alum because I knew that we need aluminium oxide to create a stone which Wes had aluminum and he told me explicitly that none of these because aluminium is a poison for plants so they try to avoid to pick it up from from the ground and when a biologist tells you this every same P person will stop with the experimenting but I'm not saying so I went because it's it's a strange story I I had this information that no plant is picking up aluminum and from the other side I had an information that uh how to say this when when they cut cut the the pine trees for to create Building Material it's a so meal or something like this I don't know the yeah they had a problem with pine trees because of Blade yeah it because the aluminium content is eating the blades so you have two uh equal facts Fact one no plant will pick up aluminium and Fact Two Pine trees are eating the the blade because of the aluminium so I didn't stop and went to try to to burn all kind of uh pine trees and the result is a stone absolutely so this is the result of the of the the water glass plus mixed with Ash and that's it and that's it that's it and you basically did you create the water glass by etching by etching the granite no I was lazy I was lazy I bought it in a liquid form because it's much more easier and much more abundant so to to cast these Stones I had I would have atch I don't know how much Granite so so no it's a it's a game stopper for me to burn to Ed so much Granite to have so much water glass to play with it so but are you planning on trying to create I would like to create the whole circle absolutely absolutely I I I have water glass from etching Granite but it's not it's just a small amount because I'm matching this this small piece of granites and you also and you will have some a few grams of water glass with one etching ground in this in this uh Grill chimney so it's minimal mhm but you can buy it in The Harvard Store in quantities and do it so your theory that they use some kind of a mold and they made these precise um statues with this technique with the water glass using some ash yeah yeah as you can see the color is different depending on the Ash and and the qualities are different and there is a strange pine tree called Stone Pine and it's in the mediterraneum and I I I never try I I didn't have stone Pine Ash so I I had I didn't have the possibility to try it but I think if if if something is the right ingredient for a stone it must be the stone Pine because it's a local Pine and because it's it has this strange name that it's a stone Pine to answer your question casting it did okay so okay casting a ways can be tricky because no I wasn't talking about the wayes yet I was talking about the statues okay statues the same depending on the vodes the chemical reaction can be so fast that you you don't have time to to make Corrections you don't have to remove the bubbles because it's that fast for example the the Norway spruce I think it this one hardens so fast that I have a massage massage gun to remove the to use vibration to remove the bubbles and in one occasion I left the mass massage gun in another room cast the guy and I just realized the massage gun in the in the other room I rushed there and back but it was too too late it was so hard the bubbles didn't come out so uh depending on the buddh you can have a very fast or a slow reaction and and this can this is this is a definitive difference so when you cast a bigger Stone like like a wall a rock in the wall I don't think you need a mold because it hardens so fast you don't need it if you watch closely the stones in Peru you can see that they use some kind of wooden boards just to keep the the material for a few minutes and remove the boards and that's it no m in Peru you think they did the same with the with those polygonal masonry yeah I I I very much think so because of the the several uh signs and and visual proof that those stones were not carved uh I have a bunch of pictures showing a lot of a lot of strange things in Peru which can be easily explained if the stones were cast but it's out of this world it's if it's it's if it's carved did you you know that there are stones that has Stones inside so the same erosion you said happened in Egypt could happen with this one if it's a bad mix and it turns out that the stone has a stone inside because they just cast poured around this material so they tried to spare the material so they started with big rocks natural rocks and just play doed around with this material and there are Stones where you can clearly see it it's it's up on the surface now because of some problems with the with the mixing and you can see this phenomenon the stone in the stone and this is just one example but uh if you go back to the statues in Egypt uh the first thing which is bugging me that how would you recreate the the granite uh texture all right after the etching you have two things water glass and the original Granite grains and in this Cube I used a filler it's graval it's it so it's much much weight it has much more weight than than these guys because it has a filler it's not just water glass plus Woodes but water glass plus wood Das plus gravel and and you can use these or original billion years old Granite grains as a filler to back it to to put it back so this texture can easily easily be reached by reusing the grains you ended up when finish the etching why not but after that they need the polishing because those grains are yeah of course I'd like to polish this one for example with with the grow in it have you ever polished one no no this this is a fresh idea I'm learning this stuff not being not not a chemist not a Mason I'm just an IT guy so this is a fresh idea I need some of these to to get polished so the statues yeah so you can put back the Grays no problem the problem is that that this color this is a whatever you do if you use Wes it will be a grayish color or black this this one is a outlier but most of them are just just gray how can you create a red stone and I I if you go back to the GE not just red but Granite like okay you put it put the grains in it and it's Granite like I'm not so you need to find a a redish binder and put the grains back and and I told you the grains are red you you fix fixated on the surface of the of my etching it's it's grayish but the actual grains are red which I removed with the toothbrush it's red MH so you so so you need the red is binder and put the original grains into the this binder and you have the artificial Granite how do you find the binder now the binder I think it's it's geopolymer again but the modern style geopolymer from the past it's very interesting so the the modern geopolymer is created with water water glass plus metacin which is just burnt Co in it which is just burnt clay uh it's oversimplification but it's burnt clay water glass plus burnt clay will give you a geopol and then I started that's how they do it today that's how they do it today and I started to investigate whether coow init is available in Egypt at all because if they have cow init in Egypt they could burn it why not they burned everything why not and they could create metacone modern day metac Coline by burning the coal in it and they end up with the modern geopolymer reddish color and put the original Granite grains in it and you are ready it's the artificial red granite and guess what there is a place in Egypt where you can fly find cowlin it on the surface next to the cories really yeah it's in asan it's in asan and this is is supposed to be giving this Rose granite color to the I don't I hope I found an Egyptian web page showing this metac Coline and I tried to ask a sample but they didn't answer so I don't know but if we check it on the web you will find that page that they are selling this metac Colin and if I remember what it's pink pink it's pink mhm so you will end up with a pink binder and you put the original Granite grains in it andam and what about the waines you can see the veins the C veins yeah I created veins which I didn't bring it one of them contains sugar this one it's it's not a rain yet but something strange happened it had uh color different differences in the stone you see can you see them and I guess you can have veins in the mixture either deliberately or by mistake because the original veins are there as a mixing error it's a mixing error but we can make a mixing error as well not not not not only nature creates mixing error have you compared the the mechanical properties of stone like this so I'm just curious if it will be the same the same heart to to carve or something like normal Granite okay I admit I never created I didn't close the C Circle yet so I didn't create artificial Granite that's why I didn't try it I have this amount of uh reddish red grenade grains waiting for me to to create a reddish binder and put it together and and and create because if this stone is kind of the same it's I having the same mechanical properties like the stone in Peru it's a per Peruvian Stone then it can kind of explain and how they would be able to do that but what I was missing from from your website that how can this could look like those statues in Egypt this way the using the modern the metac Coline way and I admit I didn't get any metacolm from Egypt and I bought two big bags of metacin in Hungary and they are just dead they they do not do the chemical reaction I need so I ended up I need to import some metacin from the United States or something because at at the moment I have only dead metacin so I had I I created so much experiences and all failed with modernday metacin it's a modern day geopolymer I lost my face that modern day geopolymer even exists because I I'm I can easily create Inca Stone and I unable to create a modern geopolymer that's crazy how is it possible so I'm I'm waiting so what's your general overview they made the school marks as we discussed but is everything cust or is everything molded in Egypt I I don't think so so mainly because uh the long history of Egypt so uh if you have a civilization that collapses several times there are these intermediate periods in Egypt and people forget everything and the civilization reboots and starts to create the same thing that that they see that their ancestor could do but they don't know the technology they will do it the hard way so I don't think everything is is cast I I think that that there was a a a civilization who knew the secret but so many civilization and Kingdom collapses happened in Egypt that they easily forgot the formula and after that they did it by chiseling because there was no other way I just found out that how hungarians forget the nron I I posted it on on X it's it's very fascinating because not only those Lakes but around seed sesek and and those that words speaking Yeah Yeah and and and the Glass Factory was built on a nan source which is I don't know the the lake no name of the lake that is Salt Lake Salt Lake 7 kilm from the Glass Factory and they don't use the Salt Lake anymore and they don't use it for a 100 years now be and because it's more than 100 years that they don't use the nron the local nron everybody forget it so is it possible to forget it in one generation yeah if nobody does this we will forgot it so this is the long answer that everything is cast no what do you think about the the casing stones of the pyramids oh that's Limestone which is kind of shaved off with a abrasive tool uhhuh it's visible on the M pyramid or a string or a string when it was the problem with the St with the string okay on the M it's not Limestone it's it's kind of it's It's called Granite I don't think it's Granite but the officially it's Granite what do you think it is H what do you think it is artificial stone you think it's it's a geopolymer uh could be because it's very easy to to cut it only with the with the string you don't need anything you don't need heavy machinery to cut it while it's soft I have a small fraction of that uh Granite part I just wanted to show you that I have seen the crystal inclusions in that stone right and so the the the crystal kind of the crystal structure you can see the crystal structure and that's why it's I don't think that it could be a a geopolymer but um maybe if you see the the crystal itself so this looks like to me this is from the same casing Stones MH looks like it's a crystallized and like Granite I hope my artificial Granite will look like like this because the grains are the same and you just switch the quartz binder to a aluminium silic binder and that's it and you you will look at the same grains like this oh beautiful grains what's the glue I don't know mhm and uh if you can see the rectangular crystals you think you can reproduce it with this technique how large is this piece it's like this one I'm not a geologist so I don't know but I have big hopes that it can be recreated as I told you just glue it with a different glue it's a glued material it's a composite material but why why would I mean why did they use these Rose Granite grains why why why that very distant Granite grains from as one it's easy for doing this geopolymer because they needed a I don't really understand why are asking this if they find a way to recreate Granite then they did it why not you you deliver the the water glass to the site the casting site and you deliver the grains to have the same look and feel why not I mean if the properties the mechanical properties remain the same so if is if it will be the same hearstone yeah the same rigid block like when it's why why don't you uh carve it and and deliver the huge Stone this is the question no no no obviously delivering the geopolymer is easier because you can deliver it on on backs or somethin
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