Part2 WORKSHOP ON UNLOCKING INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR A SUSTAINABLE CIRCULAR ECONOMY
Can we take our seats thank you very much. All. Right so. Obviously. Medic, you, want to settle down buzz want to try and stick. To the time frame that we bail so. Yeah. A local. Content skills, training, in jobs that's. Why we're creating a world-class upscaling, Academy, which. Will become a hub for training, skills, and development, throughout. The African continent and will also be a game-changer for, skills, training. And jobs in African. Sub-region. I'll. Add all we believe training. Skills and jobs are crucial, to the future of the Nigerian economy. Nigeria. Is Africa's biggest, X as. We, all well know and the fourth biggest exporter, of liquefied, natural gas with our just natural, gas reserves on the continent. However. The, key to unlocking, that potential, is investing, in skills training. And jobs which is not just an investment in local content, it's an investment in doing business sustainably. And responsibly, a. Question. That I often get asked. In. My travels globally, is, dislodge. Really, matter to corporations, and, the reality is the local, content matters in it is a great deal and I've used patients. Of how this works. Firstly. Businesses, must comply countries, local content legislation, in order to operate. Secondly. By investing, in local skills, and so chains, holding capacity in, the, short term, companies. Will then increase. A profitability, and, efficiency in, the longer term and. Thirdly. Local. Content is important, because it strengthens a company's brand and their. Position, and their. License to operate within, the country. So. Local content legislation, is nothing new thing that's been widely debated now in Nigeria actually, the leader on the continent, in terms of local content legislations, and capabilities. So. We. Had. A effect. Positive effect on the, oiling that. Was passed in 2010 it, actually. Skills. Tran. In. The oil and gas industry, and.
About. Today. In. Nigeria and it's. Been nearly, a decade. Reality. Takes, this. Is. The total. Storage. Offloading. Vessel. This. Work was done by. Involved. Technical. Detail. It. Was. Tons. Of fabrication. So. We've been doing. Go. On top of this this. Is one of the. Daily. Production. Skills. Training, and. Intensive, training. Though. Is now back. In training. The next generation of, Nigerian, well. Local. Content is related with the. Country's, desire for, sustainable, development, with. The population, has already been high around. 140. According. To the United. Seventh. Most popular in, in, the world and half. Of West Africa his mission, is Nigeria. However. One. Of the key challenges this, is a key component relied, all in the upscaling drive of Nigerians. Is the, level of unemployment in Nigeria, we have eighty percent unemployment, and in, the youth population those, aged between 18 to 35, that. Statistic, is even higher. So. This makes either, a, massive, issue for, nigeria going forward over the next decade, or it creates a massive opportunity, by. Upskilling, and training, that young population. That we have. Technical. And vocational education. Training, pivot. When. The skills of and the needs of industry are matched, by the gaps in the market and this, has been a key factor, in lador understanding. And conceptualizing the, upskilling, Academy, building. Boosting. Skills training. Industrialization. Creates, diversification. And crazy. Training. Skills and jobs are critical, to Nigeria's, ambition, to achieve middle income status, and join, the g20, but. We. Believe that in bed is. The best investment, any business. So. There's massive skills gaps as I've alluded to in. An. Occasion. In creating upskilling, academies, that will, have a leading, vocational, training hub for Africa and also. A leading, hub. In the West African sub region. We. Will not only reverse, the, negative trend, of Nigerians, going abroad for training, however. We will now attract students, from across West, Africa to come and hone their skills. The. Academy will be open. And. Our. Target is trained 2,000, Syrians, per year by 2022. The initial, investment of 1.5, million is, being made by letter. When. It comes to local content, we believe the partnerships, in collaboration, of the way forward. We. Can learn from each other. Deep. And understanding. Of how, local content legislation, can act deliver on its promise. At. Lodo we understand. This, needs. Successful. Implementation. Of local content regulation, requires. Successful collaborations. Between. Government. Which. I'm very glad to see ASAP represented. Today and. And. Private, which. Is led all in such as the likes of Sun Raven. Are. Punished in by training. Providers. With, international, accreditation. Providing. International. Certifications. To. All. In. The first year we'll be training 500. Nigerians, and. It. Will become a new era for for, training, and for, killing, in life, and really, a new, way of going, forward. So. We plan to roll out the training in three phases. The. First phase we, will focus on skills and training for current activities. Such as welding and, has already expressed, that all is not new to train me we. Provided, skills. For, over 800 Nigerians. Who are currently gainfully. Employed. And. A. Key point to note which dude. Like to share with people is actually the, skill. If. You use the the welders that we're working on the Agena project. End. The. Pipe, fabrication. On. In. The second phase we focus. On train, across. Nigeria. Electrical. Mechanical engineering. Trainee. Construction. IT, these. Are areas where we we've, noticed that there's. The. Construction, industry for example which, is estimated, to grow by nine percent year-on-year, in, between 2012, and 2022. Playing. In value from. That, industry is limited, in this growth potential. So. That's part of what we what. We focused, on and part of what we've realized. This. Is what the academy will actually look like. Tired. Add up rezoning. Under. And. This. Has actually been from inception so. Since, the last two years.
Exception. So. In. Conclusion. It. Is a reality and it certainly. Is. The. Role that people play in. Training. And. Skills. Training and. It. Is a commitment. So. I'll invite you to join us. Join. Us in providing those skills and opportunities. Do. You honest in creating those new jobs. Join. Us in creating a world-class. Thank. You. Thank. You very much today very. Useful insight into what a doll is doing and as he said it's, something that we can. Replicate. In other industries, in Nigeria, all, right so we have one more presentation before, we really get into the interactive. Segment of today's event, and making. Our presenters, presentation. Will, be the, director. Communications. Public affairs and sustainable. Development. At La Farge Africa, please welcome Felicia Day and Bruce Medellin. Good. Morning all. Thank. You for, inviting. Me here today. My. Presentation, is going to be, entitled. Building. For tomorrow. Deliberately. So given the brief that we. Would give any with regards to what we would like to come here and speak to you about, so. For us. Just, to get it back to presentation, okay, so. In, terms of our presentation, sorry. I'm. Going to be talking to you about building. For tomorrow as global, leaders in the construction, industry. It's. Really just about outline. And the opportunities, and our responsibilities. To make a positive difference in, the in the. Organization. And, across. Africa, our. Sustainability, plans we. Okay. So they were just wait a moment our technology. Okay. Okay. Thank you and the. Pointer. Thank. You, okay. So I'll, just go straight into to our presentation, as I mentioned and, the, far chosenness global footprint is vast and very white were. Presence across 80. Countries and, employ. Approximately, 90,000. Employees. In. Terms of what we provider services, its it. Spans across products, and building services, we. Serve Masons, builders, we. Serve engineers, and, quite. Frankly across all developing, and mature markets alike, I. Installed, capacity, worldwide, is. Approximately. 300, who are. 3050. 3 million, tons, and. Essentially. I think that's over about 2,300. Plants. Across. The world we are presidents, and actually ranked top three in, eighty percent of the markets in which we operate and, when. I drilled down as you can see here in Nigeria visit, now in Africa rather we're quite present as well. To. Home in specifically, to where we are today which is La Farge Africa, we. Are quite prominent as well across all countries and. Regions and where we operate and. Ghana. Are. In Stoke about 5. Million metric tons and we. Have plants across the three regions local state shag Armani with baroque Gombe, and state. We have a Shaka and in cross River in Palma, seen, like. I mentioned our footprint spans across the, rest some other parts of Africa South, Africa and Donna namely. In terms of our our products, we. Have a number, of them elephants, iconic. Brands UNICEF, - Shaka and that's - typically for. General. Use and then. When you could also see here I don't know if you can sort of come in and we, also make. Sure that we also, have specific products, such as precast, and block. Making. Products. As well. We're. Recognized, in the industry a lot, our. Last award, I was like nasarah Awards where we were recognized, for being the bestest, sustainable, company of the decade which was something, that we really, incredibly. Proud of. Holding. Back to why we're here and the topic of the day building. For tomorrow as I mentioned, for. Us it's really as, simple as that it's at the heart of our operations, and it, quite frankly about everything that we do as global. Leader in the construction, industry, we. As I said earlier, both the opportunity, and the responsibility to. Make. A positive difference in, the. Countries. In which we operate as, you, can see here our, sustainable, sustained a sustainability, strategy. Is for fall highlights. In the climate and with, that we're specifically, referring to co2 emissions, and ensure. It's. That and. I'll. Elaborate on because that's the thrust of this presentation. That's, really about ensure. Sure. That we use waste. And. Going. Forward and. The. Solution. To a lot of these stakeholders and communities, in which we operate as, well, the. Last, water. In nature, the. Shortage, of water around the world and one, thing that we are trying to do is to make sure that we minimize the amount of freshwater that we use so. Again that's, something that we're very very, particular, about and, specifically. Also to ensure that within the communities, in which we operate to, make sure that. There. Is quite. Frankly the basic amenities for, them as well. Going. Last to the last one which is about people and communities. That's. Really about making sure that obviously, with the rise in population and urbanization. Now, we're really making sure I'm making a difference we do do and participate.
In Terms of reducing, and, providing, affordable housing I think in Nigeria we have a 17 million deficit at the moment so, we're trying to make sure that we do play a prominent part in that respect health and safety is another. Aspect that we are very prominent about making sure that in terms of our operations from, a health and safety standpoint, that's. Something that's very very significant. And across. Our communities, as well. Gender. Equality. Is. Something that we also drive I mean if you think about it from the. Industry, which is more that, we operate in which is more STEM related it's. Imperative, that we start to attract and encourage. A lot more women to come, into that and one initiative we set up and are, really proud to be part of is the women in manufacturing, initiative, that we we, set up. So, homing in on the third the, third pillar or the second pillar that I mentioned the circular economy that's. Really I wanted to elaborate, because. When we talk about the circular economy it's about contributing. And, improving the. Whole agenda around waste management, which my, fellow panelists. Had already alluded. To why. Do we need to I mean of obviously the reasons are quite obvious waste, is simply becoming a much more urgent, issue. Quite. Frankly we all care about the, environment in which we all live how. Do we do that at La Farge Africa. Geo, cycle. Okay. So with geo cycle that's something that we've set up is part of a network, I think, we have 50, worldwide, and if, you recall I said we are present in 80 countries so we're quite prominently, there, it's. A network. That has to be set up I think from around the 1970s, to the 1980s. So, there's a lot of technology, that's, been developed and, pioneered by, us, specifically, with regards to Co processing, for instance. In. That regard we play a prominent role in, there in that regard, and ensuring, that we use Co processing, as well and what, do I specifically, mean by Co processing, and this I'm actually going to read because I thought the technical expert of that and, it's really about ensuring, that we offer. Waste. That's. Really treated, and treated, in a way where it's much more in fact effective, than, using an incinerator, or landfill. It's. About destroying, the waste through high temperatures, it's, also about ensuring that we reduce the oxygen excess, and look long residence, as well as. I said don't ask me any more technical, questions but we do have a head of just. Certainly. Provide, you with more information our. Waste is classified, from a Geo cycle standpoint for obvious reasons, so. We have waste that's derived from plants, for instance biomass. That's what we technically call it so, for instance things such as palm kernel, sawdust. Quite. Frankly fibers, Koko's, or dust etc waste, from cut wood and cocoa paws general, waste that we typically often just throw away we. Utilize, that and that you can see here that picture that you see there that mound is, actually, just an example of how we use it in, one of our plants in the southwestern, region away Peru so, those are carp kernels that we've says and we put them through a conveyor belt and essentially. Turned that into alternative. Fuel has. Been working. Drugs. And then. We also have. So. Again we use that we're in collaboration, and talks with a number of key stakeholders in Nigeria, you, know to try and see how we can leverage and introduce. The, new cycle service. In in Nigeria. So. The resulting impacts, as I mentioned, from, a Geo cycle, from a circular economy standpoint. Is, quite frankly beneficial. It's almost like a. Particular. Story. What. They say. When. You hear. The. Term, necessity. Is the mother of all inventions, and. I think it was it during the 2016, recession. Manufacturing. Cost skyrocketed, phoronix takes nosedive, and quite frankly a lot of companies were struggling to operate, I don't. Know if you can see the chap. White. Hat in the middle he's carrying the see he, was the plant manager his name's Jack Wilshere you he, was the plant, money manager, for ocurro branch and, clearly, obviously, needs to he's accountable he, had a lot of people responsible, and clearly, we needed to operate and remain competitive, we all know how. Competitive it is out there so. Clearly given that situation he, obviously thought. Out of the box took, his own initiative and. Started. Exploring and that mount that I showed you earlier, provided. You with what he came up with so. We started to use alternative, fuel and increased the alternative, fuel substitution, rate which, obviously reduced emissions, reduced. Cost and quite, frankly became, best practice across the country it really worked it provided jobs to.
The Value of almost. One and a half billion naira it provided, employment which, is part of the circular economy because, it goes round so, it provided employment. To a number of youths, Milner's. The people that processed, it broke its and processing. Etc even during the raining season as well when the palm kernels are quite moist so. That really did help and it certainly helped us reduce, our co2, footprint. As well so. That's something that we're very proud of and that's again something that we're trying to make sure that we continue to. Develop, more in Nigeria. So. In addition to that also, prominence, and to play a big part in terms of raising. The awareness of, sustainable construction from. An innovation standpoint, so, we have here what we've set up for, instance. The, La Farge wholesome sustainable. Construction. Awards. It's. Set, up by our foundation, which we also have and spans across all the company's, countries, in which we operate and it's, really, essentially. About. Encouraging. People to. Be much more aware about, how, we can drive down and, improve, sustainable. Construction, and design in, in, the world we've. I think we're in the fifth version, of it right now. I think. Last, count, I think was the fifth award. Which. I can share with you I have our sustainability, reports, some of them if you are interested and want to know more can. Share but. That is certainly something that's really giving us a huge, footprint, we've impacted a lot of, young. Students. Universities. We collaborate, and work a lot with them I'm delighted, to say I think it was our third or fourth edition that we actually had a local Nigerian, architect, win and, we're. Very proud of that what did he do I mean the premise and brief. Of the lefaucheux symbol was is really to ensure that you find a solution to a problem within the community, in, which you operate and here what he came up with was a floating. School. In. My cocoa which was obviously going to provide her and fill, a need in in that particular community. We. Also partner a lot trying, to make sure as we say we all own the whole we, partner with the global cement in fact we're one of the founding members of the global cement, and concrete association. Board. Members of the private sector Weiser group the UN GC. And SDG etc, etc so, we're really making sure that we're partnering and trying to make a huge, impact, for different. Innovative. Sustainable products. Are also very. Very useful. And something I thought relevant, to share here today, why. Do I suppose of you you choose, this particular product again what, we provide is, the solution to meet a need and clearly. In Nigeria we have a number of issues with regards our roads so, we produced working, with the Federal Ministry of power, works and housing we, produced a product called. Road set which is a soil stabilization product. That binds the road and leverages the, actual natural resources, that we have so. Far we're finally, at the, it's certainly something a product that is ideal for sustainable. Road construction and by that I can define typically. A road lasts for about ten years but. With this product it's 40, and it, costs less so, clearly just again makes business sense.
So. To conclude and. I, go back to my opening topic, building, for tomorrow. It's active responsibility, I don't, think I even need to elaborate. In. Terms of what do. You need a lot. More enforcement, of. Regulation. So, yes we spoke, about that. Earlier. How can we really make sure actually. Worse we. Cannot do this alone we want to get you all involved, we'd like to play a part I was very excited to hear about the training school you mentioned, we also have a training school so maybe we can chat and see how elaborate. And much more impact at, La Farge Africa we're striving for a clearer world a cleaner world rather improved. Livelihoods and, offering. Solutions to, the global waste, challenge. I really, like boats really, like pictures, and I always say I wanted to leave you with something that you remember so I think. This is quite apt, sometimes. The best thing to leave for our children is. Nothing. Thank. You. Thank. You for that a great boat to end that one some. Do you think about obviously. Alright, so I think that's also got, some useful insight into what another company in Niger is doing and how. Their business is trying to be more sustainable in, its approach so. We're gonna get right into the. Panel conversation now, where, you forget, the opportunity, to engage. So. Joining. Me for that though is from, so many adventures naina I am, pleased, for. Him so. We're gonna comadre if you like this segment, and I'm, gonna ask, Nana. To open, things up and then I. Follow. Him, so, over to you Nana. Which. Is the government. Which. Is also. Driving, the circular. Economy from, that angle, the. Rule of des rois is. To. Do with. Creating. The Leblon environment, and, by. This level, environment is essentially. What, I said, in the presentation. Creating. A. Player. Clean. Flavor, for, all sector, players or. Industries. Or. That. Everybody. Must obey rules. Nobody's. Above the law and. Everybody. Must comply, with the rules in. Addition, to from government, to is to encourage. Encourage. The. Industry. The, state code has shown. A lot of interest. Positive. In that direction how do we encourage them we. Could do that by projecting. The success stories. We. Could do that by providing some, special, incentives, these. Entries may be very. Aware of. Promoting. What. They have done bringing. On board and, setting platform, to discuss their. Success stories locally. And internationally, we. Could also do. That a. Situation. Where they have to maybe. Import. Some. Less. Polluting, technology, you. Know. Environment. Friendly technology. Or services. Nezarakku, coming, in terms of supporting, to make sure that as a better way and ease of doing the business, in. Addition to we, work. With them by. Way of providing, some form of, capacity. Building in. The sense that such, industries. Should have, like Environmental. Officer such. Industries, should have, like an environmental, consultant, and such. Consultants. That act like interface, between, such. Industries, and Ezra, Ezra. Be, in a position to from time to time, communicate. With. The industry. Officer. The, industrial officer is possible, for their environmental, activity, some. Training bringing, them together during, our Android, dialog and all that so that's, what the law can do with them, provided. I said they're, doing what is right providing. For the environment, that making sure that they're, following the regulations. Appropriately. Thank. You dr. Newton and, Christian. If you could maybe jump in here and give me your perspective because for. What we can see in. I drew elsewhere. It's. Easier, to simply just dump the waste for. Most businesses. There's. A little effort as we've seen with lavage to get things going to. Make your business a lot more sustainable, so my. Question. Maybe, you can also suggest, this point is how. Do we incentivize these. Businesses. Local. Businesses, beyond the penalties, we know the, penalties is probably one way to go but, beyond what, are the creative ways to get them involved from your experience I. Think. First of all. As. Much as it is important. To speak about incentives. Let us also establish, that there's existing, law, regulation. And policies.
In Nigeria, so I would expect every, responsible, company, to adhere, to whatever is written in the law and whatever. Is written in the law if that, is a year no then it's absolutely unacceptable, to. Dump waste in, an unsustainable manner. So, that's against the law but. Then when we speak about it how we can then further mobilize, the sector, I would, say number, one we. Should make both producers, as well, as potential, investors, in the circular economy aware. That, they have very positive business, opportunities. And his, business opportunity, is today in the year 2018. Not anymore only defined, as PBT. There's, not only profit, but, it's also the profit, that I create, for my stakeholders for my employees, for, the communities, that I'm in and therefore, if I adhere, to, what the Nigerian, government has in mind in building a circular economy yes. I profit, not only because I probably have a very viable business. But, our profit also by having a healthy. Environment and by. Developing, and this for me now that, that I see that I saw this development, over the last 20 years in Germany by. Building a future technology. Because, if you think about Nigeria's. Future, it, would be the best if we could place our bets, and our investment. In where or in the future there will be prosperous. Industries, and I think circular, economy is. Probably the biggest topic, maybe, the second one is renewable energy, but those two topics are the main drivers. Potentially. For a modern Nigerian, industry. And. Just last, follow-up question, for dr. Kim, from. A capacity point. Of view one of the biggest, challenges, we have, Nigeria, is, government. Agencies, tend, to lack certain capacity. So, how is measured dealing with the capacity, looking at the huge. Thank. You it's, a big responsibility, to. Address, the issue of capacity, building. It's. A policy in Israel, what we call to. Lean and retooling. First, of all we, try to encourage. Our. Officers.
Who. Are going to continue. With. Their, graduate. Programs, we, as much as possible encourage them to do that and, fight that basis where we can we, also have, over time. The, velothon Partnership, Program where. We work with some, sister. Agencies, overseas, we. Did. Doing. From. Years ago when we started that we work closely with the UK. Environment, Agency, through. Fellowship. Program the Commonwealth, a senior. Staff of less room. Would. Be sent to UK you. Walk with the UK Environment, Agency. Embedded. Current. A special area with. Their for couple of months come. Back we've, done for. Short term training we've done along with the UK, the. United, States Environment, Agency. Wisdom. With, Netherlands. There. Are some institutions, in there that provide some support. System, and we, encourage. Our officers, do on. Their own if. They find, you, know through. Interaction. And correspondence. And all that where. They. Can get some oversee, training we, do that at country, level we. Organise, some training offices. Is, also mandatory that. Officers, in different. State. And zonal, offices they. Do. Some training among themselves what. Do I mean by that when, you go for the, training area outside Nigeria, or some. Other. States we, have a responsibility. Back. Feed. Because. It. Was. Thank. You very much, I. Also. Start. By saying the words, we. Experience the Challenger that. Wastes brains in my state is no percolators, it cuts across and. That's. The reason why we, in about. Synergizing. As. The government and across, the various of, agencies. And sectors. It. Is true that we, need to drive. FDI Amino, we, need investment, we, need people to be part of all we do government. Has to be creative, and ingenious in his approach to funding, and the, world creation yes, that is established but, then we know that when. We attract the investment is. Also like you gonna come with some challenges, and, the areas of you know the impact, of their activities, and, processes so the. Challenge has been balancing, the two because we need to balance them and that was when I was talking about of ice cranes with some crystal manufacturers, that came on but we. Wouldn't ask them to relocate because, we need them to create jobs, the. Taxpayers, I mean you have to develop the, communities, where they operate but. At the same time we needed them to operate in line with. The law I mean. Every. Responsible. Citizen, as well as corporate parties most, the, willing and be ready to, comply with the laws of the land and, so, it, doesn't matter what of benefit, economic, benefit, anybody will bring in into our space as, long as we're all ready to be responsible, in terms of your duty. To the government, and to the people as well an environment, which we operate we. Try as much as possible to, discourage but I think by and large who seem people supporting us with swim people encouraging. Us and that is a also. Going to lead me to talk, about the. Issue of capacity we are talking about the determine we shouldn't just look at capacity in terms of the knowledge of, those.
The, Operators, of those who are charging responsibility. Of enforcing some of these laws we, must also begin to look at you, know this now strained the, question, for instance if, you take a nature, that is rich so much I'm sure if they. Get more hands the we would do more I mean. You. Look at a. Country. With population of between 150, and hundred, million depending on which reports want to go by and, I. Doubt, if you have up to 50,000, people. Now, hood that's actually employed, to, get this done you got me so that, tells us that has seen a lot to be done and I've been going to the challenge. Of resources, is, going to be goes to the challenge of. The. Capacity, I do nothing to so for. Us we, just believe that we, need to get creative we, need to open up a space for those. Who want to partner with us in terms, of, opportunities. That we have we. Have one of the states that we know that the land is a very green I was, talking, to someone outside and I told him that we are home to -. Number, of, innovation. Project manager, or change of that and on, every job a university. Community would, give you between 20 and 30 thousand today, you can imagine the domestic. Waste that is common all you can imagine the, number of you, know students and you. Know young ones that could be recruited, and get them to see the future in ensuring that there is sustainable, environment, so, the approaches are there were we bringing people to came to this opportunity who, continue, to do more in. You. Know. Well. Very. Important. Obviously. Within, our plants I talked about in promising in Colaba which, is one of our newest plants, and our increased capacity of, 5 million tons and. Was a significant. Investment and, clearly. There'll be a number of conversations that, we had to have both. The, federal, state. And local level. Obviously. For us we've made this investment and, obviously our payback has been a certain undefined so, it's clearly important. That we're able to achieve that so clearly that's a huge amount. Of work with regards to collaboration. With regards to I think lador mentioned local content and, ensuring. That we have the right expertise, as well so clearly as, I said it makes business so long as it makes business sense, so win-win for everyone. Yes. Thank you I would like to actually link your question a little bit to also what Waller had asked me before because. Waller asked before also, on the incentives, and you always keep me thinking no but so please excuse me therefore blending, and also an answer, to this now. I think the, investment, is closely linked to where we things.
Are Beneficial not. Only. The. Other state then, we look forward also to partner with awesome, state but. Here's kind of a perspective to, this let's. Assume for a second, I'm HP and, I'm saying this because HP is also represented, here so, I'm, I'm selling, amazing, products, now. I want, to sell these products for instance to lavash, polish. Artist sitting next to me then, foolish Otto will have an interest and not only she has an amazing product sure she will but, also that in a couple of years that she, doesn't have to find a solution, for. These products, when in three four or five years, her. Colleagues, would like to work with the even, you are a laptop, from you let Becca HP. So, here's one interesting, example so, for those kind of companies, yes it is hugely beneficial if they're in their discussion, which large corporations. Say in the end of this lifecycle. Of your product, I will help you to take that back and I, would make sure that this is done in an environmentally, friendly way so, here comes number two perspective, I stay, with you let Becker unit, packard has a great set of shareholders. Those, shareholders are greatly interested in supporting. HP's. Agenda, on sustainability, now. They're really interested. That they're not doing this only in Germany, US but, also in Nigeria, so again second, example of incentives, and now let me go down to a retail shop in, Nigeria, so big hewlett-packard US. Investors, down to a retail, store in, for shorty, Lagos, so, why is this relevant for, this retail store a circular, economy because. We are having discussions on, how we don't take, back systems, for products, with gas, station, with retail, stores if you have a supermarket. Close, to, where we are you're sure lupito. And, you have an interest of customers, coming in so. Why don't we think creative, about systems, whereby, this retail, store of a sudden becomes for us a collection, point and giving. An incentive to those people who bring back maybe, an even older age or. A telephone and give them about you so up a sudden the guy says that's interesting, not quite sure what the guy is talking about circular, economy but. I do understand, that this means that more people come in to meet my retail, store and they're getting about you to to, buy products, in my store so I couldn't keep on going but I would like to like one, quick last example, which is even more appalling we. Are in renewable, energy renewable energy. Has a battery component. Battery. Is currently, another initiative, also by the way of nazriya, they. Have to be better recycled. In the future, so, what I now I'm the CEO of a large African. Nigerian. Bank with, thousands, of ATMs, so these, ATMs, currently, run all on let's, say mediocre. Quality batteries. Circular. Economy again, I speak, with ezio and, say you, have an interest of earning money with your ATM why don't you get into a better battery product. And one that is actually also recycled. As opposed to buy one time a cheap battery, that, falls flat after one or two years so, you see you can actually, go up and down in circular, economy and, you would always find. Fishes. Socially, mentally. But, also often, as a very strong business sense. Re. If you don't mind before we get to Christine I really want to go back to the lawmaker because I really. Believe that, speaking. Of incentives, the biggest incentive, if you like is the loan when when the law is there the, companies should comply. Otherwise, they find ways to circumvent. It, so. We. Can hear from the. Entire panel really in terms of how there's. A there's, an opportunity to use, law making to. Incentivize, change, I know for instance from the, multinationals. Is a huge incentive from abroad from their head. Because. Of all, the links, globally. That. They have an. Incentive for them to be compliant in. Terms of building, their businesses in a sustainable way but. If the local laws and not drivin, that then you don't see the same level of compliance so I just wanted anyone from the panel can and jump, in here, well. I. Quite. Agree with you and I think one, of the things that could be done is. There a of tax, incentive, I mean that won't be a bad idea if, they're literally if grab the trend for those who, not be willing to comply, who, could actually prefer, some of the, industries. That operates, within, a particular state, and say well those who are you. Know into. Recycling. Of their products then. When. It is time for them to are there are trees on them you give them some.
Percentage. I mean. But. The most importantly like we said is that is just you know taking. It a step further, with. Laws, and no calculators, in a year not, study state. Every. Responsible. Manufacturer. A business, person must, be ready to operate in language laws of the land but, again if, they need. Additional incentive. Which is. Not going to be compulsory, but, again, those two tribe move the one because the idea of circular economy is something that is. Important to all of us and we know that mr. OTT is in front in Nigeria so there's, really no big deal if we, come up with some of these incentives to make insidious, somewhat to talk about importation. Of equipment of the time we, could even go as much. As if for instance we allow those who are bringing. Equipment. A quick. Product, to common item close to zero percent tax. Rebate. Why. Not for those like when you invest in you know when. Economy. Well. I think you, are speaking to loss has been an incentive, there's. Also the angle, of it being a detriment, you. Know so maybe, you can speak to your experience. In Ocean State because you mentioned, that obviously. You your, environment. Is, Ben if you like attacked by. Corporate. Who are not building businesses in sustainable, ways so, would, you say that the laws that you have in. The state are, sufficient, to deal with that and all we need to do is now find ways to enforce or is. There way we need to begin, to bring that conversation to the fore again maybe, joining, forces with advocacy. Groups to make sure that we have the right laws in place in, state. In Nigeria, you. Know when. I was making my presentation, I talked about the constitutional, challenge wherever the country is. Not every matter that a state government can, legislate upon, there's. Some things that because, you don't have, exclusive. Preserve of the national, government and then. Except. We have to. Do like, we have advocated, decongest. The. Legislative. List that, sits. At the at the center that is when the, state government will get my effective, in some of these things and also, forget that even, if you need to enforce, you, would enforce, in a. Responsible, manner which will you go to structure organizer, these states don't even have control over their or the law enforcement agent, and so, when. You come up with some of these laws you, eat the end result, will still have to be when, there, is you, know effective. Synergy, and then, by, the, national agent or the national MDS who would take this up and get it enforced, difference I believe we need to engage the police to do some of these things. You. Cannot order, your commission of pulleys to together please still though. You. Know infractions, so what we really we need to drag the lawmaking. From the National every task to be. Brought over when it comes into legislation, but when it comes to solve this problem as a whole for. Host to a better result it has we bottom off that's when we are gonna get more resort that, is when we are going to have it to be much more effective as we don't move faster, as long as it's driven from, what, top-down.
I Mean, he is to still have to, go to some of this office that every other unlike. The provision, at the state level goes right Russia, do you have. But the only comment that I really wanted to make is that I'm a huge, fan of not reinventing, the wheel, clearly. Across the world best, practice has been says I I, really, would advocate that, in, you know in our situation. Here we do have a lot to catch up on why don't we just go out and find that bring, it in and implement as quickly as possible, collaborates, a lot more for us as a multinational. And as, I mentioned we've been around for many many years and we're very clear we, have environmental. Departments. That manage our emissions. We have participated all the right tools in place to make sure we manage. That and review that from a circular economy Stampler we're very clear on our roadmap and our strategy, but my point is that's just one company so. How can we sort of trying to achieve critical, mass in, a quick way so that's really just the comments I want to try I think that's a very fair point okay, I'm gonna throw this to the audience showed me you, wanna make a comment okay please when you. Then. You can forget to, modify. Your question, so. I mean, the issue of the law you, know the, important, incentive, and also, being a deterrent. It. Works, it. Works there are so many good. Success. Stories in them and. The. The, companies. The. Companies, actually, following the rules they. See the same. You. Know. Some. Of these companies. They. Have to comply. With such. A requirement, let. Me take you to the banking system there's. A program, for sustainable, banking. This. Is we are all chief, executives, of rollbacks that you I came together with, the governor of the central bank but, okay we, realize that we need to have. Sustainable. Development we. Need to make our industries, very sustainable, any. Proposal, for, a facility. Come. Into any bank must. Make sure that the for the rules they. Have to do their environmental, impact assessment. They have to do their. Due diligence they won't make sure that the equipment they're using a non-political, technology. So. For. The real companies, who, support, who would like to do business as a resented they, would like to do that they submitted so, ready a requirement, for them to get their facility, from the central bank or from anybody that's an incentive another. Aspect to do, so. Try, to get this facility, outside Nigeria they, want to be recorded, as part of a global. In. The UN what they call the Global Compact. Recognizing. Industry. That are really operating. In an eco friendly way, so.
If You are in a country. Yeah. Following the rules of the country the. Evidence we are really doing that for. You to get it down so that you'll be getting. Your facility, abroad also being recorded as one of those who are doing the best practices, so it goes both ways the law can, be different at same time to the law can be incentive. For you to move for that all. Right. Opening. Shortly but Julia. Wants you to speak to this point because earlier. I mentioned point, about, why, focus. On circular economy is the importance beyond. Just trying to rethink. Profitability, be. More efficient and more sustainable, as businesses. There's also the issue of creating. Jobs now your business as you presented today. Its. Own fair share of question of a couple of jobs so I wanted to get your view on a focus on circulate, economy and the opportunity, to create jobs from your perspective, I think. Certainly. Be keeping full at all in the you. Know even. Developing, of our business model fraud upscaling Academy is to create a solution. That was scalable. And sustainable, so. A good example of that is the dialogue, that were currently with I'm, engaged with with label state so. Lego state has existing. Technical, vocational educational. Colleges around eight of them throughout the state and they. Are underfunded. Their. Educators. Are under. Skilled and underpaid and on the motivated, as a result so. What. We are rolling out as a program, where we will train the, trainers in our arts billing Academy, then, they will return to the vocational. Colleges, and then carry out that training, and help them with the curriculums, and making sure they're up-to-date and relevant. So. Through. That multiplier. Effect, will then be able to have an impactful. Strategy, will actually begin to, move, the needle in terms, of numbers. That we're talking about in terms of the massive, underemployment, and, unemployment stats. That we have in training. Okay. I want to throw this to the audience now so if you do have um you've heard the panelists, you've seen representations. Do. You have any comments, questions as. We try to hopefully. Take, away from here, some. Key action points to, drive focus. On a circular economy the.
Issues And the challenges that I've been I liked it. Okay. We have couple, from this night since this side is dominant, in Harrisburg so, we'll be coming to you so, please introduce yourself I'll start from person. Closest to me and just, walk backwards please, be as brief as possible and, I. Trust. Your question to whoever you want to. All. Right thank you very much, that. Was a beautiful section by the panelists, my. Name is go far who to put the. Lace. Do campaign, it, can't be no no no unite every sectors of the economy for, a waste-free Nigeria. We. Are trying to advocate for. 2018. We. Are using technology you. Know to mop waste now, now. From, that point of technology, I want. To put my first. Question, to Nestor, are. We using technology. To drive, you. Know your operation, to drive Sakhalin Konami for. Example, in. Nigeria, currently, I was, in Kaduna State, last. Week, Oh state, is kind of a sticker off forum where of the Minister of Environment the, Commissioner. Of cool now. My question that, people keep asking is, that do. We actually add the data to, really givers that is the number of waste as a waste, bin, generated. By our food. You, cannot you. Know you, cannot really, bring. Sustainable, solution, if you don't really have data to walk with if, we don't really know um the, number of ways being generated, or how. To plan, your resource. Out of our waste collection, so I want to action astray. Technology. And data technology. Yes. On, in, terms of that aspect, okay. And also, I want, to have some for example copper like ladder and a blah fresh you, know I'd you mentioned, your secularity. You, know no, company, I've seen a lot of comple, you know try, Amma I'm at the level of the grassroot, a lot I'm an environmental, as an activist, you know so, you. Know company tends to do a lot know in our communities, they think to get along there coffee tea boy, and they also have in CSR, so. How do you make you, live at Gillette. Not. Leti of your impact in the environment I do measure the circularity. Hi. Um thank. You very much panelist. My. Name is Micah farmer see I'm the chief economist, of Ithaca capsules and investment, bank I have two very quick questions one. Is for mrs. polish, on a solar. Barge. Operating. Many countries, from. Your experience, what what. Are the disparities. In, terms of, cross country, attitude. And, regulation. Towards, a circular. Economy, answer. My. Question. Is for mr. Julliard, at, all and. It's very quick. On its why, welders, so. Even. For just like. Sight. I'm so, you, determine, particular. Skills that eras, of human. Capital. That you tend on dedicating, to local. Content thank. You. Good. Day everyone my name is Gemma C okay, I'm from, the Nigerian Conservation. Foundation. It's. An NGO dedicated to. The conservation of natural resources in. Nigeria. Particularly. I. Want, to say the, panelists have done a great job and I. Would have expected well. For, the programs who also have included a. Lot, of community, participants, what. I mean is them I would. Love to see traditional. Rulers, here, as well because. You cannot overemphasize, their, contributions. To, ensuring. That. We've. Been working with nazriya, and. One. One, you know on some, of them the, enforcement. Efforts. But. I know, this puppies talk about capacity. Building being. One of the issues, I want. To ask what. Are some ways. The role of volunteers. We. Have lots of youth and treachery, institutions. Who can actually. Work. As interns. You know like volunteers. Who. Can actually assist. Regarding. Capacity-building. Yeah those are people that you can actually tree, and when. They leave. The university they. Can actually put their skills into, you so are, we exploring, that we're exploring. The. Use of volunteers, in in a, bid to, help. Its activities. All around the country. I. Am. MCF. Is really, big on forest. Reserves, that. Is preserving. The first the Nigeria, now. We. Work closely with. Multinationals. Such as Chevron, and, an. LNG. We. Have a first. Reserve in Lagos for example, hearing Leakey, where. It, is home to, a lot, of biodiversity. And, actually. Help. With. The. You. Know it will be a very, very good. And. The. Government's we need government, support to, actually. Chop into the spots so. Ensure that we. Actually. Work, and generate.
Revenue. For, Nigeria, what is they also assembly, doing. So. Let's get some reactions. To. Those questions we, like to start by addressing. Issue by using technology, yes I think, it was also something about using volunteers, astray. Thank, you it's. A very good question. The. Little. Tricky, hidden, about the data, especially. To do with solid waste, because. You. Know even, a responsibilities. Were to see state. Governments, to, look at over men in. Analyzing. Data is, going to take a while before we come to really. Fortunately. Into. Real having. The actual. Data but. Especially, we, are at. The. State level for example. You. Know. So. What, data. Be. Used many places like, the, projection. But. I think in the absence of the real data if. There is a real way, of the projection. And. See how, our. Platform. I mentioned, to you earlier what, we call the. National. Regulatory data one. Strong aspect of that especially. To do with sanitation, you. Know seeing. That it's a responsibility. Additional. Solid waste it. And look at beyond, that at we walk. We depth. The. EPR, this EPR, program, has a strong component to assist. To. Evolve, that data process it's a very good observation you, made the. Lady, from the. Conservation. Foundation. When. You see influence yes yes. I think yeah we have. Clearly. To us we. Have what we call. Ezra. Greek call it's. Purely volunteerism. But. If. It's. Not for. That. Is most people, to, this in the university, we have. Lawyers. We, have. Doctors. We have anybody, can be just as you have the. Road. Marshall for, mercy. We. Do that the reason is that, it's, something driven by passion, you. Understand, in your neighborhood, become like a watchdog, here, not to to. To. Arrest somebody. Who, is doing what not supposed to do an environment, no but, you can see. He did, you. Communicate where, we have field offices if, you don't have any field of this Nia state you, can get. Up to the headquarters, but we have not fully established. Nationwide, there. Has been launched infuse this but the idea to when, everyone, to work beyond. Luncheonette in the zones let. Every, stick if your pressure and every state and from, time to time, there. Can be some workshop in, that zone. We. Are doing that we've been created. We. Are getting there. We. Do we're. Very. Willing go beyond their primary Collins in their profession, they would like to see where, they can contribute to, protecting, the environment we had a, horrible, from OSHA being. Very. Very. Is. Be pushing environmental. Issues and I think if. Ezra. Drink boy is largely notion is, likely to be. Alright. So thank. You for the reactions. But I have a if you like a follow up on the issue of Technology. Point, has been brought to my attention the National Electronic Register it's something. That people have suggested is a good, way to to. Address these issues, and, using. Technology, so I wanted to get your, perspective on, how we can make that. The. But. You know that. The limit of that every, industry, they. Have what they're called a special market share they, have their secret coca-cola will not tell you this. Is my mission for me to have cocoa Fanta okay you know they're not getting into that the. Responsibility. Of the. Piero, is. To make sure it. Is data from that in terms of what. If. I put in the market. What. Has come back to me you. Don't, and, other people, to who may be interested the. Academia, business. Is like let's, see what is going on there that is one strong aspect of the EP a--. Okay. You. Have. Regards. To data specifically, I just wanted to mention I was a summit, yeah. Yesterday, over, the the earlier. In the week and, it. Essentially was about how we can try and encourage and, use, data to solve problems, so, essentially I found out yesterday that's, a Nigeria is effectively, the Silicon. Valley of of of Africa, and, we had a number of, colleagues.
From Across the country come down. Here it's actually the CC hub in Yaba and, it. Was really interesting - listening and hearing how all our young talent, I. Think. It was called a hackathon all. This was all gobbledygook to me but I learned, a lot yesterday but, it was just interesting how, essentially. Obviously what, he signed a nondisclosure agreement but, we shared our. Problems, and asked. Them to really come up with solutions. So what I'm just trying to get at is that we. Could sort of you're trying to collaborate a lot more understand. Some of the talent. That we have in Nigeria. Frankly. I think when Mark Cooper, came he also talked about how we can sort, of leverage a lot of talent so in terms of data we certainly need to use a lot more of it and I, really feel that them it's almost like a hidden gem that we have so I really just wanted to amplify that and just say that with, regards to data there's some really good resources and talents in Nigeria. Because. I have issues. To also. Go. Through these set of questions first. With. The questions, there. Was one on measuring. So. First of all why welders and I think something about measuring. So. I'll take I'll take them in the order they came in so measuring the circularity, was, the first one and the. Important thing to, say is that from Nadal's perspective, this is a decision that was taken from the board level down right, and this is the way that these things have to be driven in these corporations. Our. Managing. Director is. Un. Diplomat. For, the for. The United Nations on sustainable, development and and. So, initially. We we, disseminate, this this information, through the management team and then. They drive that down in terms of the KPIs, that they demand from their people in various departments so it's, not something that we look at as the CSR, initiative, it's something that actually. We. Look at as part of our business model and that's, the process that we're going through right now, as. A way to measure, and, track, the, performance according. To the goals that we've set out certainly for this year going forward 20:18. The. Other question, in terms of why welders, which is a very good question for, us it was actually a practical, consideration four. Years ago we, won the contract, to fabricate. This. Large amount of topsides, over 8,000, tons and it. Required a lot of welders, so. The. Idea, of the Agena project, which interesting. Enough that people don't know is the single, biggest investment in, local content infrastructure. Since. The inception of the local content Act in 2010, so. You're talking about our investment, in nara terms of 2.5, trillion naira and, if. You imagine that Nigeria spends, in the 2018, budget, 1.5. Trillion naira for the entire country it, puts in perspective. The. Magnitude, of the project and and the impact that it's, having so. We needed these welders, we didn't have time to take, novice welders at that stage so we took qualified, welders, and we certified, them and upscaling them in our academy however as, part of the legacy of that project was. To reach out to the private sector and understand, where the skills gaps, were cording, to them so. That the curriculums. That were now putting together for the academy go, go outside, of oil and gas and they, go to, the. Network, that we have is that, all to understand, whether where, their needs were so that we're not training for the sake of training, so. We are looking at other sectors, that have a maximal, impact in terms, of economic, performance that's, the real measure that we use in the yardstick. I'm. Also curious is there a sense that that's perhaps the easier.
Skill. If you like to teach, as well. You. Know just in terms, of in terms of the I wouldn't. Say it's the easiest skill because that would be disrespecting. The other yeah the skill trades I think. However. We do have this massive need in the, industry and it's not just for oil and gas projects, so, welders, or. Bridges. Welders. For when discussions, with the Nigerian world where corporation, about, fabricating. Railway tracks, and so it's a whole range of different applications. That. This has and, and. So welders with goods in answer to immediate, need however the. The short-term and long-term goals is to diversify, way beyond that even into marathon training as TCW 95. There's. A lot of plans we're rolling up okay. Natalie, do you want a response to some of the issues raised yes particularly, I found, by the interest in the point she made about, how. They, are trying to seek God. Knows. Audience. To try and address some issues especially, relating, to deforestation. So over. Here Thank, You ABC for that point, to waste and, I'll say that the. Starting point is of wanting. To meet with the governor and, there's an agency that actually, champions, that and. There's. Any each, year having you can let me know we can adjudicate our resort and as to what we. Have done we. Have about 700, forest reserve in the state and the, Shoshone, mentioned is just one of them and what. We have done is to work with the executive government. To, come up with a white paper that of. Reserve the tragic loom task when that of the particular. Forest, to talk about covers, yes, that there has been a whole lot of issues from the you, know people, who had invaded, that. Forest. Are resolved and we try to money to crisis but, you know we've made a decision that that, I described it almost just represent. Because we appreciate on what they're dependable. Passes only bought and, if you also recollect, at 2013. We, came over the project to plant 2.5, million trees in a state and. Now we've done and we also you trying. To regrow, we, know a largely. Depleted. Of forest, reserve and we're. Making a tweak but you know, the, effect of some of those things I would not be. Sodding our trend to as much as possible ensure. That of the a deterrent, for those whose to ones who carry. Out illegal activities. In in our forests be another I talked about having to review the Lord because. Realize that even the penalty, for, social power, two, years ago was, partly so someone can't even afford to deliberate to, go ahead and caveat on some of those activities and I think a width, of your organization. Will be willing to work with you I can, let you know what area, you actually what city code no I know you, me know after city code no we cannot be always champion, that who Yahoo get result thank you all right ladies diamond we've expected. One commitment from today's program thank, you so much okay, well. Actually you, I think another question around. Project. States. A, project, that we were heavily. Involved in in fact we fought funded, the first phase of it was all. The eleven, project we're working with the governor we're working with the Commissioner of Agriculture and, the. Whole premise of that project is really about essentially, what you've just talked, about so perhaps offline, I can. Elaborate. More because I'm conscious that I have two other questions to answer but, the point is clearly that that's something that we're actively already. Participating. And plane in, you. Trap asked about how, do we measure our circular, economy. I'll. Just contextualize, it first by saying that for us the.
Strategy, And direction is set from the top it's. Very clear in. Terms of ensuring that from, a sustainability, standpoint, in terms of also. Our strategy, on it essentially maintaining our and sustain a license to operate but, it's very clear and that's cascaded, across all the 18 markets that we in, which we operate how. Is it measured is the question that was particularly asked with regards to the circular, economy, again. As a result of the fact that the direction is set from the top and it's very clear what, we also do is we have some mandatory templates. And tools that we have to submit and it's, based on measuring, and the for instance the number of beneficiaries the. Number of people we have impacted, and clearly, for us to be able to validate that sufficiently. We. Have structured processes in place at the granular level within the states in which we operate and indeed across. Where we feel that there's a need based, on those four pillars that I shared with you which is our sustainability. Framework, we. Also have our sustainability, plan and, clearly in order for that sorry, report and, in order for that to be completed, that clearly there needs to be a team who we work with and who go out and validate. Essentially. What we have done from a CSR standpoint, for us it's about shared value and really, making sure that that's achieved, on a sustainable, in a sustainable way, I also, alluded. To how. We economically. Empower. Stakeholders. Within our community, for instance just from, biomass. As a very important. And useful example. The. Last person. That asked the question was about disparities, regards. Attitudes, on a. Circular economy in, across our different countries I reiterate. My earlier comments at the end of the day the strategy said from the top and it's very clearly, there nuances in countries and that's where we come in so in our roles it's first to identify how. Best to influence, and engage, and partner with our stakeholders, and essentially. Quite frankly, go forward and doing, it in an efficient manner and back, to my earlier point that is how it's also measured clearly, we leverage best practice there's no point having such a large group and not, being able to leverage that so for instance a market, in India is requiring, it to a degree similar, to us here in Nigeria so clearly we leverage and share, best practice, and like, I mentioned about not reinventing, the wheel so, yes attitudes, are different cultures are different people indeed are different. But for us it's about ensuring that we continue to, make sure that we achieve a sustainable, footprint. And reduce emissions and continue to make a difference in there. Thank. You very much for that, okay. Please if you can make it very brief so we can take another round just, just, an information. Following. Worthy. The. Horrible, said regarding. Week, Lausanne we cannot just. For information, the in. Ezra Act came. On board in 2007. And this, year the. National, Assembly, does, put the upper chamber. Lower chamber, there, have been amendment, the measure is. Now. With. The presidency, as. The, key amendment. In the act now. Given. The George the. Discretion. To. Put. The penalty, must be before. Now what wasn't the law. If there is it. Is. An infraction it. Should be not modern, so. Have a situation where their. Hands are tied. Well I know, this. Is a very big offence I know who, is committing, this offense a big facility. I know he's setting, a very bad example but a parasol. So. With the change of the law now the judge now say, the lowest is to. Check minimum, so. The jerk now has the discretion, according. To the level of your fence according, to who is committing, that, charge. And the penalty, as high as possible and this term now the law becomes a deterrent.
In. My mind perhaps. This, is a, call, to the advocacy, groups to make. Sure that we review. These laws all right we'll take another round, of questions, I have, to come to you first I have how. Many more people because this will be the last round so we have about 4 people thank, you. My. Name is. An. Engineer. Working. On. My. Question. From. During. Her presentation she, made mention of. The. Widths, from. Facilities. Being classified. And. That. Strategy I don't know, gets. Me kind of worried, because, at. The micro level who, work because, with India system yes they. Can do. Well. When they come to the micro economy, if. I don't know what you can, reach him how to ID, link up with you to see how I can use your. With your, raw material, so, please I want her to explain. Little bit more why she, think that strategy is, good. For this country and for the circular economy that, we are trying to practice thank you very much. My. Question. Is directed. DDG. We. Have been talking about the. Position of the law as a. Deterrent, and, also. As an incentive I, want. To know what, government is doing in the area of funding. For. Enabling. Waste, management. Because. You know the, usual. Slogan. Is the sannin. Waste, to wealth, but. Before, we are able to turn waste, wealth there's a lot of money, that is involved in that because, if you have waste here it's, won't do anything until you're able to bring in a lot of money to do that and, if. I take the