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this sunday acquitted donald john trump former president united states is not guilty as charged the article of impeachment a divided senate votes 57 to 43 to convict former president trump ten votes fewer than needed the failure to convict donald trump will live as a vote of infamy mitch mcconnell votes to acquit but when president trump's actions preceded the riot or a disgraceful disgraceful dear election of you the most bipartisan impeachment vote in u.s history he incited that mob he lit the match come on get real we know that this is what happened this impeachment is completely divorced from the facts the evidence and the interests of the american people but the former president's party stands by their man i think most republicans found the presentation by the house managers offensive and absurd how closely has the gop now tied itself to mr trump and his behavior my guest this morning the top democratic impeachment manager jamie raskin republican governor larry hogan of maryland and democratic whip senator dick durbin of illinois plus the cdc announces new guidelines on opening schools and the biden administration secures 200 million more vaccine doses i'll talk to the new director of the cdc rochelle wallenski joining me for insight and analysis are nbc news capitol hill correspondent casey hunt former democratic senator of missouri claire mccaskill former republican congressman of florida carlos carbello and audi cornish host of npr's all things considered welcome to sunday it's meet the press from nbc news in washington the longest running show in television history this is meet the press with chuck todd and a good sunday morning during the 2016 presidential campaign donald trump made what may be the most accurate public statement he's ever made i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters okay it's like incredible yesterday senate republicans largely proved them right 43 of 50 republican senators voted to absolve mr trump of responsibility for the deadly january 6 riot at the capitol the final tally was 57-43 to convict 10 votes shy of the 67 needed and this was after democrats read into the record congresswoman jamie herrera butler's statement that president trump sided with the mob in a call to republican house leader kevin mccarthy as the riot was underway and it was after democrats made the but for case that but for president trump there would have been no rally on january 6 no mobs storming the capital no threat to the lives of vice president mike pence speaker nancy pelosi or to any members of congress the writers could find the former president released a statement last night saying in part this has been yet another phase of the greatest witch-hunt in the history of our country no president has ever gone through anything like it whether donald trump proves to be an anchor or an albatross to his party is up for debate what is not up for debate is that the republican party now runs the risk of being defined by those terrible images of january 6. there's no doubt many republicans sincerely believe the trial was unconstitutional or just another partisan attack but a herrera butler story gave the party's institutionalists yet another of the many exit ramps they've been offered over the years from the former president but instead they voted to stick with him again wherever that leads the eas are 57 the nays are 43. in a crystallization of

four years of repeated decisions to condone mr trump's conduct on saturday senate republicans overwhelmingly voted to acquit him of the charge he incited the violence that left five people dead even republicans who criticized the president's conduct voted in his favor president trump is still liable for everything he did while he was in office didn't get away with anything yet yeah with just seven republicans voting to convict his actions to interfere with the peaceful transition of power the hallmark of our constitution and our american democracy we're in abuse of power i voted to convict president trump because he is guilty the vote followed the plot twist on saturday we would like the opportunity to subpoena congresswoman herrera congresswoman jamie herrera butler said in a statement that as the attack unfolded mr trump sided with the rioters in a contentious call with republican leader kevin mccarthy saying well kevin i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are it was a week of emotional testimony and video evidence linking the former president to the insurrection it's called drop yet dude dude let's tell trump what's up no just say we love him we love you bro no he'll be happy what do you mean we're fighting for trump and newly released tafe evidence of the assault on law enforcement just after vice president pence was evacuated from the senate chamber his life in danger mr trump attacked pence on twitter but he still sent out a tweet attacking him further inciting the very mob the president's lawyers attacked the idea that mr trump's use of the word fight incited the crowd playing an edited montage of democrats saying the word we're in the fight of our lives right now we fight like hell and charge democrats with hypocrisy for not condemning the sometimes violent protests last summer and from the start the outcome of the trial appeared decided with republican senators adopting the same language they used to defend mr trump the last time he was impeached i think what they did they rushed this process they rushed into an impeachment i mean think about it there's there was no due process we've seen a whole lot of table banging i think you're going to see a lot of partisan table pounding most of the evidence here say this is not evidence this is a liberal democratic novel being presented as evidence and joining me now is the lead democratic impeachment manager it's congressman jamie raskin of maryland congressman raskin welcome to the press good morning thanks for having me so um this is feels like one of those the the the glass the water glass metaphor is it half empty or half full you got seven republicans to convict mitch mcconnell felt like he used your closing argument to make his repudiation even though he voted to acquit so do you feel like this was a success or do you feel like because you failed to convict that you can't look at it any other way than a failure well i think it was a dramatic success in historical terms um you know it was the largest impeachment conviction vote in u.s history it was by far the most bipartisan uh majority that's ever assembled in the senate to convict a president which has traditionally been a kind of partisan thing in american history we got seven republicans and if you look at the the 10 republicans in the house who joined us it was by far the most bipartisan um decision and a complete repudiation of the president's conduct now unfortunately it didn't reach the two-thirds majority in the senate we're explaining this to foreign journalists who can't understand why he wasn't convicted with a 57-43 vote a 14-vote margin well you need two-thirds but i think that we successfully prosecuted him um and convicted him in the court of public opinion and in the court of history um he's obviously a major political problem for the republican party and as long as he's out there attempting to wage war on american constitutional democracy he's a problem for all of us he um he's showing no remorse with this acquittal um and by what have we done have we now given a permission slip to political violence in our everyday politics well certainly um you know those 43 republicans in the senate shamefully did that now a number of them including senator mcconnell are aggressively trying to disentangle themselves from the vote mcconnell went right to the floor to say he was convinced that donald trump was morally and physically responsible for this attack i mean i would have liked to have adam on the impeachment managers team based on the way he presented that except then he went back to the completely counterfeit argument that the senate couldn't conduct a trial of uh trump's impeachment although he was impeached during his presidency for acts committed in his presidency and i think we showed the satisfaction of the country that that was done when the country first started it was done in the belknap decision after the civil war and there's no problem with it and yet they decided to hang their hat on that very dubious hook in order to basically cater to trump and the forces within the party that are still loyal to him in a really cultish and dangerous way i want to get to three specific what-ifs okay or backseat driving that people might be doing maybe you're doing it to yourself what if number one is this when it was clear that the trial wasn't going to start until after joe biden was inaugurated was there any thought of taking an extra week an extra two weeks before starting the trial for you to do more investigating well actually we did take an extra two weeks it was supposed to start before that nobody said to us nobody on any side that we didn't make our case it was absolutely overwhelming and meticulous and comprehensive i don't think anybody can watch that without coming away saying donald trump incited that violent insurrection he named the date of the rally he named the time in the rally it was timed with the counting the electoral college votes he said stop the steal and then he basically you know fired the cannon of uh the rally-goers that he had gathered right at the capitol so look when you listen to what mcconnell said or what uh senator capito from west virginia is saying they're saying look uh the facts were there they're not disputing that they're just saying we don't think that we can prosecute a former president they would have found some way you can always slice the bologna real fine to come up with some way uh to acquit somebody if that's what you want to do and in fact that was the whole strategy of uh our opposition council they were saying well you can pick due process you can pick first amendment pick whatever you want just pick one reason to let him go and 43 republicans did all right on witnesses um it seems as if this was a last minute decision to go ahead and try to call jamie herrera butler should you have had a witness plan much sooner that might have included mike pence kevin mccarthy jamie herrera butler mark short people like that okay well let's start with jamie herrera butler she issued her statement the day before uh we tried uh mightily to get in touch with her we just wanted her to you know she could have come and just done an interview we couldn't get through to her and so we did seek uh permission to do it why didn't you wait i don't mean interrupting you can i interrupt you on this real quick why her please her story was known for weeks why did why not why did you not try to contact her until the last couple of days no she issued her statement the day before right and we brought up the resolution right at the time that the resolutions for witnesses were called for according to the senate resolution there's no other time we could have done it that was the moment to do it we won that vote we were going to proceed to do it and then the republicans stipulated to allow the evidence to come into the record now you ask about some other people who might have gotten up there and lied we don't know what kevin mccarthy would have said i mean that was her record of what he was telling people what he told people was that he had called trump to say you got to get us out of this hell these people are here trump said it's antifa mccarthy said no it's not nt mr president it's your people you got to get us out of here to which trump said something like uh well maybe they just care more about the election than you do i.e trump knew exactly what they were doing he knew that that mob which he had deployed was there you know occupying people's offices and threatening congress so it was there for everybody to see right so we could have had a thousand witnesses but that could not have overcome the kinds of silly arguments that uh people like mcconnell and capita were hanging their hats on they're trying to have it both ways but one more of those what-ifs insurrection versus dereliction of duty um and i know you made a pretty uh compelling argument i think in your closing argument about how they were you couldn't disaggregate them but if that if it had been dereliction of duty it looks like you might have gotten two or three others you know remember these are republicans uh who voted to quit in the face of this mountain of unrefuted evidence we're going to find some reason to do it so if we had charged dereliction of duty they would have said that's not an impeachable offense you've got to deal with that within the military system the president is not bound by the code of universal military justice and the uniform code of military justice and so on i mean you know you can always come up with a lawyer's argument to get to where you want to go and they did not honestly confront the reality of what happened to america which was donald trump incited a violent mob to attack the congress of the united states so you know what we have no regrets at all we left it totally out there on the floor of the u.s senate and every senator knew exactly what happened and just go back and listen to mcconnell's speech everybody was convinced of the case we put forward but you know as the defense lawyer said just pick any one of these phony constitutional defenses and then you can justify it it could be first amendment it could be bill of attainder it could be due process all of them are nonsense i thought that i successfully demolished them at the trial but you know there's no reasoning with people who basically are you know acting like members of a religious cult and when they leave office should be selling flowers at dulles airport you know congressman jamie raskin i hope it brings you some solace that many of us are grieving and mourning with you and sarah and your family i know um it's never going to get easy with that so with that sir um uh um i appreciate you coming on and sharing your views with us this morning well thank you for your kindness and thank you for having me and i want everybody to hang tough for democracy we won on a vote of 57 to 43 although we didn't make it to two-thirds and uh there are a lot of patriots out there hanging tough for the constitution all right congressman raskin thank you very much and joining me now is the number two democrat in the senate it's dick durbin senator durbin welcome back to meet the press uh let me start with what nancy pelosi said about mitch mcconnell's statement right after he made it yesterday let me play it for you sir he was hedging all over the place i don't know whether it was for donors or or what but whatever it was it was a very disingenuous speech and i say that regretfully because i always want to be able to work work with the leadership of the other party did you find senator mcconnell's remarks disingenuous well let me say chuck the outside first to jamie raskin and his team an extraordinarily good job importantly uh in the history of our country they spoke up at the right moment but let me say another word we were never going to reach 67 votes in the senate without mitch mcconnell voting guilty so he went up on the floor afterwards he basically gave the speech that jamie raskin would have given to the senate and then tried to justify his vote for acquittal it wasn't going to happen we weren't going to reach 67 without him did you find his remarks disingenuous or do you think that do you take him at his word on his belief about the constitutionality of it i tell you what i i think that that argument that uh we we can't uh impeach someone who's out of office really begs the question uh the house managers made the point early on so that means that there's some period in the presidency when congress cannot respond quickly enough that a president can get away with anything i don't believe the framers were that careless in writing those sections and history tells us as jamie raskin just noted that we have impeached those who have left office you can't resign your way out of your responsibility in fact i was going to say i do feel like that maybe what inadvertently has happened is we now have this gap during the during the transition um that apparently january 7th to january 20th we are lucky donald trump didn't do anything what would have happened if he did something is there suddenly no mechanism to have removed him from office if they weren't going to invoke the 25th amendment that's exactly the conclusion that many of the republicans were hanging their hat on that there was a grace period for the president no matter what he chose to do listen it gets down to this when you look at it chuck many of the republicans were voting out of loyalty to donald trump for those who want to know what donald trump's version of loyalty is i have two words mike pence many of them were voting out of fear what would happen if they went home i would just ask them to take a reflection on the future of their party which embraces q anon conspiracy and proud boys and then shuns cindy mccain and bill cassidy what is the future of a republican party in that posture uh did senate did we saw we had a report that chris coons uh visited the house managers and and said look uh this drive for witnesses it could cost some republican conviction votes um some democrats aren't happy with it was there enough unease with extending this trial that that there was motivation to to pull the witness request back i don't know what chris did i didn't follow him were asking i saw the same press accounts but i think the bottom line is this the evidence was stipulated as to what congresswoman butler said and having been stipulated we knew exactly what she was going to say if she were called for deposition so i don't think we lost any ground the facts were before the senate i think the physical deposition would not have made a significant difference and it would have delayed the proceeding i'm curious do you feel as if by accelerating the process yesterday is there going to be a connection with being able to speed up now and deal with the with the president's relief package i mean was there any coupling of that yesterday or not no we had we had this coming week of course as a recess week for the senate so we had time that wasn't the element here and i do want to make this point we are working with president biden on the priorities of the american people dealing with this pandemic dealing with the economy providing cash payments to american citizens to help them through this tough period so what we did with this impeachment trial was not at the expense of president biden's priorities we'll be returning to them quickly when we come back to washington do we need a 911 style commission still about january 6 i can tell you one of the things that i was looking forward to was making the record for history as to what occurred we still have people even at the trial were making claims that antifa was really behind it not trump's people well that was rejected by kevin mccarthy it was it's been rejected by the clear evidence that was presented to us i wanted to make sure that the soviet-style revisionist on the republican side who were trying to blame everybody but donald trump had a record in front of the american people that was clear i think jamie raskin and the house managers made that record with clarity even let's be honest with you even mitch mcconnell acknowledged that last night in his speech so we have that record and that's the important historic record to show this generation of doubters in any future generation all right so it sounds like you think we've done a big chunk of this investigating all right senator dick durbin uh democrat from illinois thanks for coming on and sharing your perspective with us thanks chuck joining me now is the republican governor of maryland larry hogan governor hogan welcome back to meet the press um you know you have a a special sort of relationship and insight i think to congress being the son of a member of congress who voted as a republican on all those impeachment articles against richard nixon i'm just curious what did we what did the senate do yesterday in terms of donald trump in your view well you know there's uh there's what the vote was and what the result of the senate uh you know the republicans in the senate uh did yesterday but then there's the there's the court of public opinion and uh quite frankly i think um the democrats made a strong case even though leader mcconnell didn't vote to impeach his words were pretty strong and um you know i think time will tell uh what you know how that impacts donald trump and and how it impacts the republican party in the country and i i think it's it's going to go far beyond just that vote yesterday in the senate it's going there's going to be potentially courts of law and the court of public opinion and we're going to decide you know what how history remembers this day and and what people did and said would you vote a convict if you were a united states senator you know i think the uh the the argument was pretty convincing and you know i wasn't i'm not in the senate but you know i think i probably would have voted with uh with uh some of my colleagues that were on the uh on the losing side so they were i was very proud of some of the folks that stood up and did the right thing it's not always easy in fact it's sometimes really hard to go against uh your base and your colleagues to do what you think is right for the country it's exactly what my dad did back in the 70s and you know he paid a price for it immediately but it's what history remembers them most fondly for you know it's interesting when you look at the number of republicans that voted to convict it's 15 percent of the republican conference and that feels about what the split is inside the republican party right now right 85 15 and the 85 is sitting there with donald trump is that is that how you view it well it's hard to tell i mean i i think this stuff is fluid let's let's face it this uh the the president uh has only been in office now uh for a month and so we have a long time i think there's going to be a real battle for the soul of the republican party and uh the battle's just beginning and i i think some of us are going to stand up and try to fight for you know the party that we believe in that we've been a part of for so long and uh you know there's going to be folks that want to continue to head down this road of donald trump um and we're going to figure out you know whether we're going to be a party that can win elections or not where do you um where do you have this this battle for the soul of the party you clearly would like to do it inside the party i know there is some movement of starting a a concer a sort of a principled conservative third party uh you have adam kinzinger who seems to be more where you are which is hey let's plan a flag inside the party um how long do you give the party to find out if you can move the party towards your direction well you know i sort of feel as if there was and i've said this before there was a hostile takeover of the republican party and um you know i'm not for one not ready to abandon uh the party that i spent my whole life you know working for that i believe very strongly in going back to you know being a youth for reagan chairman i want to return uh to to to that party you know after watergate now everybody said it was the death of the republican party in 1974 and we came back six years later in 1980 with the biggest landslides in history and i'm hoping we can uh return to that to a successful party because i think a competitive two-party system is critical to our democracy yeah but that happened because the republican party chose to distance itself from richard nixon do you think the republican party can be successful without distancing itself from donald trump i don't think they can i think that if they really want to win competitive seats in in in purple states and if they want to win suburban districts if we want to somehow get back to house and the senate if we want to win a presidential election they're going to have to start building coalitions like like we've done here in one of the blue estates in the country where you can have a message that appeals to more people what is let me ask you this what should you know there was no platform um essentially for the republican party in 2020 other than loyalty to donald trump what do you hope the platform what are the what are the what's the platform going to look like in 2024 what do you hope it looks like in 2024 well you know i wouldn't say there was no platform and it wasn't really a terrible year for republicans we obviously lost uh the presidential race uh by a wide margin however uh you know we short we made the it was still a tough battle in the senate i think the president cost us the two seats in georgia in the senate races but um in the house we actually gained and and many people who are like from my wing of the party who are common sense conservatives that were not really donald strong donald trump uh supporters uh they all won and uh you know people like susan collins won and phil cox you know phil scott up in in vermont we picked up a whole lot of house seats in all the suburban districts so i think the party has a winning message uh we just had a bad messenger and i think we've gotta move on from the cult of donald trump and return to the basic principles that the party's always stood for governor larry hogan republican from maryland uh appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective as i said you've you've uh you've known and lived congress and this uh in this world for a long time thanks for coming out appreciate it thank you chuck when we come back after the trial where does the gop go from here panelist welcome back the panel is with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent casey hunt former democratic senator of missouri claire mccaskill former republican congressman of florida carlos cabello and audie cornish host of npr's all things considered audi it's been a while so i'm going to let you get the first crack at this question was yesterday a good day or a bad day for donald trump um well i think donald trump no matter what anybody else says about what's going on in the world has his own vision and reality of what's happened i think it's pretty clear though that in that in this moment especially in that speech from senator mitch mcconnell who effectively bent the knee um it's one thing to go out and say a lot of things about a donald trump and be critical in that way but at the end of the day it's about actions votes and the record and right now when it comes to actions votes in the record donald trump has firm firm control of the gop carlos same question to you chuck i think it was a bad day for donald trump this was the most bipartisan impeachment and conviction process in history and senator mcconnell really laid it out plainly and simply again yesterday after the vote and i think what he did is so important you can debate why or not why he decided to vote the way he did obviously he put forward an argument that other constitutional scholars agree with but after that vote he did the most important thing that anyone who wants to combat trumpism can do which is to express simple truths to make sure the american people and specifically republicans know who donald trump is what he did and how he provoked the worst attack on our democracy in our history that remains there for the record and that is the beginning chuck of the process of decoupling uh donald trump from the republican party that's what mitch mcconnell started yesterday i think it was a bad day in the balance for the former president casey hunt speaker pelosi's decision to go after mitch mcconnell for that for what he did calling it disingenuous i know there's not a lot of love lost between the two but that can't help things in that relationship there's not a lot of love lost chuck but they also know the difference between what they say in public in front of their respective bases of supporters and what they're going to do in private to try and work to get things done and i'm interested to see if there's a new era between the two of them in the wake of that speech behind the scenes from mitch mcconnell it's very clear that he put power ahead of everything else in that decision series of decisions he made yesterday he wanted to retain his power as the senate minority leader and he wouldn't have been able to do that if he had voted to convict donald trump but he also recognizes that republicans and larry hogan governor hogan just said the same thing to you republicans are not going to be able to win elections if they do not repudiate donald trump mitch mcconnell knows that and it's why he said what he said and he repeated it in an interview right after uh he took this vote he said i care about electability and that's it you know uh claire mccaskill joe nagoose his entire closing argument was aimed at an audience of one he clearly had read mitch mcconnell's book and there's an excerpt i want to show people here about mitch mcconnell's mentor john sherman cooper and mcconnell describes how do you take such a tough stand and this is during the civil rights debate uh and square with the fact that a considerable number of people who elected you have the opposite view mcconnell asked he didn't hesitate a moment i not only represent kentucky he told me i represent the nation and there are times you follow and times when you lead claire mccaskill they were you and i were on the air together a couple times yesterday and and you were defending mitch mcconnell here a little bit um during the back and forth where are you on on hit the genuineness of his remarks well let's be clear one thing that he did do yesterday he made sure that there is a real war within the republican party because he gave a lock him up speech chuck yeah he said lock him up he gave an invitation for criminal prosecution to the nation's prosecutors now that is and he's the highest ranking republican in the country um that so what yesterday was a bad day for donald trump but it was a worse day for the republican party so why did he do that um he can't stand donald trump he thinks donald trump cost him the majority but also he has to worry about donors who write seven figure checks who are totally put off by donald trump at this point and frankly even if he voted to convict he knew the majority of his caucus was not going to follow him and that would expose a real weakness in terms of his leadership that's interesting there casey that is that your comport with your reporting that that mcconnell because that's the debate would mcconnell been able to bring over 10 votes or not claire seems to indicate he might not have been able to i think it was a real open question i think had he made a definitive case and really sold it it's possible that they could have gotten there but the reality is that afterward that group of people was going to be smaller than the group of republicans who were going to vote to acquit donald trump and so there's no scenario where mitch mcconnell can be the minority leader when he's sided with the smaller group so he would have been seeding the power that he has and i think he wants to use it to try and move beyond uh donald trump i think senator mccaskill's point is absolutely the right one we have known all the way along how much mcconnell privately loathed donald trump it is not a secret he was willing to use him uh but they are not alike uh in in basically any way uh so i i i think that this is finally mcconnell's chance to actually say that uh but that he did act in his own interest of power audi big picture though did we give a permission slip to our politics to be more violent by not holding anybody accountable for these actions yet i'm not entirely sure who you mean by we i mean when i say you know so far essentially the only person who has uh the only people who have sanctioned uh trump in any way is silicon valley right um the justice department of course is plowing ahead with investigations opened up some 200 cases of people who were involved in the insurrection npr's investigation shows um that a percentage of those people cited trump specifically in their kind of motivations or suggestions about why they were doing what they were doing this conversation isn't over um but i i think it sounds like on this panel i'm the person who is a little more pessimistic about what this means going forward for the republican party i did not see some opening to the door of a grand revitalization or some change or trump saying goodbye what i see is a party that is clearly still in his thrall lawmakers who are still fearful of him and and what that what that means going forward is quite serious adi i see the glasses as half empty as you do so uh don't don't worry you're not totally alone there we're gonna actually have more about this conversation uh when we get all four of you back in a few minutes but when we directly come back the cdc releases some new guidelines for how to operate schools during the pandemic how soon can we take kids from the screens back to the classroom i'm going to talk to the new head of the cdc richelle olinsky next welcome back covent vaccinations have ramped up to 2 million a day at the end of last week and the biden administration is securing 200 million more doses of the pfizer and modern vaccines despite that though there is still growing frustration over the lack of vaccine supply to meet demand particularly in this moment same time parents are desperate to get their kids back in the classroom the cdc has issued new guidelines for operating schools during the pandemic joining me now is the new director of the cdc rachelle wolinski dr wolenski welcome to meet the press and before i get into the school guidelines i want to ask you about a report out of the uk that indicates this uk variant um not just potentially more contagious but potentially more deadly and this is obviously the variant that that officials like yourself fear could be the dominant strain in this country how concerned are you that we're up against another uh dark period good morning chuck thanks for having me um i think we have to watch this very very carefully we've known now that this b117 variant the variant that came from the uk we have over a thousand cases here in the united states in over 39 states um we know uh the early data have demonstrated that is around 40 to 50 percent more transmissible already that means we're likely to have more cases and more deaths from this and now these early data that have come from a prior set of early data have suggested that there might might in fact be increased morbidity and mortality it all of it is really wraps up into we can't let our guard down we we have to continue wearing masks we have to continue with our current mitigation measures and we have to continue getting vaccinated as soon as that vaccine is available to us all right let's talk about the school guidelines and there's some folks that are wondering how much politics may have gotten involved or how much the white house may have gotten involved because last week the white house walked back some comments of yours about teacher vaccinations um and you were saying that they were not necessary um in order to open schools the white house said you were speaking in your personal capacity um how should we are you speaking here as the head of the cdc or in your personal capacity and and it should should should people see a difference i'm speaking as the head of the cdc i believe that that's why you have me here today our guidance has now been released it was released on friday and it specifically articulates the five key mitigation strategies that we need to keep our schools open and other layered mitigation strategies including teacher vaccination that are not essential to get our schools open but we do recommend what are some of the flexibilities in your guidelines and i say this you you say you want to have six feet there are some schools that say look we can can we do three feet everybody will wear masks can we do three feet particularly for elementary schools what would the cdc say you know our guidance is really dependent on how much disease is in the community we know that most of the disease that comes into the school comes into the community and with universal mask wearing we know that there's very limited transmission within the schools and that that transmission is largely from staff to staff and largely when those masks are mask wearing is breached so we are more flexible with the six feet if there's limited amount of community spread in those low to moderate ranges when you get to substantial and high ranges of community spread we really feel like you need six feet the data suggests the science suggests you need six feet with universal mask wearing to keep our children and our staff safe we are getting close to i think about 15 to 20 million americans this week will have gotten their second dose of the vaccine what is the guidance for a vaccinated amount fully vaccinated american what is the travel guidance what is the mass guidance what is their work guidance really great question i'm proud to say as of yesterday we hit the 50 million vaccinations into arms mark so we are we are scaling up we don't have a lot of data yet to inform exactly the question that you're asking we have issued guidance this week that suggests that recommends that if you have been vaccinated and you are exposed and you're exposed within three months of your vaccination that's similar to if you've been exposed within three months of disease that you need not quarantine as data emerge on many of the questions that you're asking we will update our guidance in real time we're seeing a lot of states we've just had a dip these last two weeks it felt like the first week where we took two steps forward and one step back rather than one and two back but a lot of states are getting rid of their mass mandates already is it too early to be doing that absolutely we are still at about a hundred thousand cases a day we are still at around fifteen hundred to thirty five hundred deaths per day the cases are more than two and a half fold times what we saw over the summer it's it's encouraging to see these trends coming down but they're coming down from extraordinarily high place and as i said earlier if we want to get our children back to school and i believe we all do it all depends on how much community spread is out there we need to all take responsibility to decrease that community spread including mask wearing so that we can get our kids and our society back and including max wearing well i'm very glad that you guys gave a little bit of a lesson on that i know people will go to your website to get more lessons about that as well dr wolinski it's been a we didn't ever got the head of the cdc um for the last year it's nice to have the head of the cdc and meet the press thank you very much great to be with you thank you uh make sure to check out our interactive state by state guide to figure out when you when and where you can receive your coveted vaccine visit plan yourvaccine.com to learn more when we come back one very good reason the senate was so divided on the impeachment boat stay with us welcome back data download time the largely partisan impeachment vote in the senate was a function of changes in the senate over recent decades take a look at how many split party delegations states with one republican and one democrat from bill clinton's first term up until this year you see it it's quite a quite a dramatic drop it means most republican senators now come from states won by president trump giving them very little incentive to politically vote to convict they don't really think they have to win voters across the aisle at the same time joe biden won 25 states but only three with split senate delegations none have two republican senators so going forward president biden is dealing with a senate with increasingly sharp partisan divisions and little motivation for republican senators to compromise and it's the reverse is true for the democrats as well when we come back will donald trump continue to have a big role in the republican party or could this be the time he finally starts to fade away stay with us welcome back uh carlos i want to build off of uh what audi said um she's basically does it had didn't see what um you and some others on the panel saw and that really is sort of donald trump's future in the party i guess if he's a stock would you buy it and let me introduce you two facts here josh mandel the new front runner for the ohio senate seat went full maga in his announcement he to replace rob portman and the infotainment bull horns all still belong to the trump wing is this still a bad time to be donald trump chuck the republican party is still a willing hostage of donald trump today there's no doubt about that however there is a lot of evidence that that power of the trump movement that influences waning and we're going to see this play out over the next 18 months right mitch mcconnell the strategic mind with liz cheney with other establishment republicans against donald trump and his movement which will win we'll see that trump lane is going to be available to a lot of republicans especially in primaries how many candidates run in each primary that's going to have a big impact on all of this but this is the battle it's going to play out over the next 18 months i think we will have the answer by the time the november 2022 elections are here and casey is that the real measuring point that we'll find out it is are they within his grip or not 2022 the real measuring stick it's going to be an important turning point chuck but i also think the big question is what is trump going to do ahead of 2024 because he really could hold some of these would-be presidential candidates who want to inherit his voters hostage to his own intentions i think the big question is can former president trump stay focused enough on these goals that he says he has to actually make a real difference and whether any of these republicans like josh mandel can actually credibly carry that banner and don't forget the point that senator mccaskill made which is that there is this open invitation to investigate donald trump in the courts and we simply don't know how that's going to play out claire let me flip the script is donald trump still an effective campaign tool for democrats i think he is let's for a minute talk about joe biden joe biden is enjoying the kind of approval numbers that donald trump donald trump only dreamt of uh joe biden is pursuing policies that have broad bipartisan support in the country forget about congress in the country as long as joe biden stays focused on covet relief and infrastructure and some of the things that really resonate with the american people the democratic party is going to be in great shape in 2022 and 2024. you know i guess audie the question though is can joe biden govern with this republican party does he only have 17 republicans to work with the 10 in the house and the seven and the in the senate or does he have to try to forge a bigger coalition than that if he if he even wants to find bipartisanship um i think i'm less interested in sort of this seeking of bipartisanship that people talk about and more interested in how he builds any kind of coalition for compromise he's not a stranger to this process he's been through with barack obama and in that white house so he knows what he's up against i'm also less interested in what's going on with donald trump going forward and more interested in what the republicans who say they want to do something different actually do and what that means for the voters there along there they can take along with them because i don't believe that republican voters are hostages i think they're willing supporters of donald trump and if there is an alternative it should present itself well we'll i think i'll believe that donald trump is an influence in the party when you stop having republicans feel like they have to tell one message to the mainstream media and then go full mega to the infotainment culture anyway terrific panel thank you guys it's been a long week for casey especially uh and for a lot of us it's just been a long start to the year i guess now trump might be in the rearview mirror and that's all we have for today thank you for watching we'll be back next week by the way i still got time to don't mess up valentine's because if it's sunday let's meet the price more americans watch nbc news than any other news organization in the world hey thanks for watching our youtube channel follow today's top stories and 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