Let's talk about sex with the CEO of Quinn | Business Casual
Something I have noticed is that sex is totally fine to, you know, Facebook and and the MTA or whatever until you actually call it sex. So, for example, you know, they're fine with a Burger King ad with a nude model in it. But as soon as you advertise sexual wellness or sexual health or ethical or sexual content, that's when it's a problem. That's So today we are talking to Caroline Spiegel, the founder and CEO of Quinn, a subscription audio erotica app for women. Think of Quinn as a romance novel condensed into 15 to 20 minutes, narrated by a cast of often sensual voices. Since launching in June, Quinn has grown over 70% month over month.
And Caroline Spiegel, who dropped out of Stanford, by the way, to found the company, stopped by to talk about disrupting the male centered porn industry and how Quinn is creating erotic content for a new generation. Caroline, hello. Good morning. How are you? Good morning. We're so good.
We're better now that we've both. We've each listened to Quinn. Yeah, you gave it a go, and we are a little more relaxed. Yeah. Good morning. Andy.
So, Caroline, I listened to you. Bodyguard Part one. That's what your team had recommended.
I listened. Yes, it was. It was great. I listen this morning while I was getting ready. And when I tell you it, you can really tell it's meant for women written by women. Because for the first 5 minutes of a 20 minute audio the bodyguard is asking you the main character, the listener, about your feelings and why you're stressed out. And he's like, I'm with you every day.
I pick up on things. I'm like, Yes, bodyguard. Thank you for listening to me.
And then it progresses. Obviously, it gets pretty saucy. And there's all these factors like it's forbidden but he's there to protect you anyway.
So, Caroline, I've done a terrible job at explaining what the audio is, but in your own words, what exactly is Quinn and how is it catering to this underserved market? Totally. Well, the bodyguard is really a Princess Diana moment, so I hope you had fun with it. Yes. Quinn is an audio erotica app. Our target audience is women, but there's no like, gender check when Scott knows he he likes and we do allow men to listen as well.
I can't I can't wait. Pull Over was the episode I listen to. And I kind of, you know, I yeah, let's just say I put myself in the narrator shoes for that one. Yeah.
A lot of guys say that it gives them, like, good phrases to use. It's like dirty talk. What about what? You know, you can really kind of add to your vocabulary. It's kind of this thing that I'd heard about.
I'd heard about audio erotica or something. A little erotica and is that wasn't a website lit erotica Mm hmm. And I'm, I've long been aware that the porn industry sort of tips normally to the male desire. What was your inspiration moment for founding Quinn? Um, I guess you had had experience as a user in the porn industry. As well. Is that fair to say?
Definitely fair to say. So I started Quinn actually in 2019. I was a senior at Stanford.
I was studying computer systems and it was a very, I mean, I loved it, but it was a very male-dominated kind of dense, you know, major I was in and at the same time I was recovering from an eating disorder. And one of the main side effects, if you could even call it that, was just a total loss of libido and interest in sex and ability to orgasm. And I think kind of naturally I turned to porn and I was like, okay, I want to try and get it aroused.
I want to get back in my mojo. And I was just so disappointed and frustrated with what I found you know, especially at this point where I was like, I really needed a solution. I really wanted to be aroused. And so I, I felt really frustrated with, like, the porn hubs of the world. And that's when I found audio erotica on Reddit and Tumblr and with erotica and all these kind of deeper Internet communities where it's really, really popular. I can pause there, but that's the origin story.
And your origin story is very personal and you've been very open in sharing that. And Scott and I have talked to founders before where their story is critical to the brand because that's what helps convince investors or other partners to get on board is is telling this personal story. Did you feel like that was part of building the brand and part of getting attention for Quinn in the early days? Definitely. And I think even more than that, like, I'm just genuinely very energized about this solution. I've been at it for over three years now. It's something I wake up every morning and I'm like connected to, so. So I think that's
that's maybe a case for doing something that you're personally invested in. And they say necessity is the mother of invention. And you you mentioned that this was not just kind of an idle thought. And I've watched all the porn on the Internet. I need something else to get me going.
You were suffering from, you know, a real medical medically diagnosed issue. And I guess in your research, you discovered a stat that I was surprised to learn that the FDA, the FDA does approve solutions for male this sexual dysfunction. In fact, there were 30 plus FDA approved sexual dysfunction solutions for men. But for women were there any. So there are there have been a few tries in terms of like Viagra for women. But nothing has really caught on to the mainstream.
And one of the reasons is because female sexuality is maybe a little more nuanced or just different in a way where there is not sort of this clear physical. I mean, you could well, I'll just pass on that. But I think I think it's just more nuance and a richer kind of contextual desire, which I think any woman or man can kind of relate to. Why that's the case. But I yeah, I so that's why the solution for Quinn isn't, you know, this quick fix in a way, it's more of like changing our thinking around porn and what it means to be turned on and, and to experience desire.
It feels like no one had surveyed women before when it came to the porn industry. Right. Because the FDA isn't paying as much attention to women sexual desire, porn itself as as it has existed in its industry. Is, as Scott mentioned, very much geared towards the male gaze. What did those early days look like where you were gathering feedback and user research on what was lacking for women and what they desired? I and I asked because I think it's it is hard to articulate sometimes what you're looking for and what you need, and you figure that out for a lot of women.
Right. So I mean, I have talked to so many women about sex at this point. There's a joke that like I, I like boys, but that I've made millions of women come. And so it's real It's like, it's, it's embarrassing. How about I talked about sex with women? But one of the first things I did was I interviewed about 100 women just about their sexual preferences.
This was in 2019 when I first started Quinn and before we had a live product. And, you know, it's so funny. I still remember a lot of those conversations. I still have the notes from them, and a lot of them were about safety.
And I think that's a really interesting insight was that for a lot of women, the there's sort of a threshold to experience arousal and it's a feeling of safety. It's like, of course I'm not going to be able to relax and let go and experience pleasure if I'm feeling kind of unsafe or scared or whatever. So that was definitely one just resounding message that I think Pornhub doesn't take into account or mindgeek or the porn industry. And I think another thing you mentioned, like the porn industry not taking into account you know, the female perspective, the people who make the most money from the porn industry are men. There are not a lot of female executives in the existing porn industry. And so I think that kind of eliminates a while when you go on Pornhub, you're seeing a lot of women at the end of the day, who's making the most money from porn.
Right. And you mentioned this element of of feeling safe. And if you've looked at porn lately, a lot of it is pretty scary out there these days.
There's a there's some truly terrifying, horrifically violent porn and insane things going on. I mean, we've progressed as a society so far now with our our desires, I guess. And what, you know, what past for turning on someone 50 years ago wouldn't even in a raise an eyebrow today. So I would.
What's interesting about your company is that you chose to shed the whole visual element and focus on the audio focus on that a you are aural sensation. What aspects of the mainstream porn especially the video porn which is so prevalent just don't work for women even if it's so-called targeted towards them because there are a lot of these female focused video porn sites too. So I always say that audio is actually more visual than visual porn. And what I mean by that, it's sort of like the Harry Potter effect, if you remember, like the first time you ever read Harry Potter and you had like the most vibrant, insane imagery in your head and everyone had their own Diagon Alley. Right. And what it looked like.
And that's the same thing we tried to do with Quinn, where you can make the world in your imagination in HD or whatever, with whoever you want, wherever you want, you know, whatever you are. And and that's something that both is the most pleasurable, but also allows you to kind of be playful and experimental with your sexuality in a way that kind of tying the fantasy to a real act with real people. Does it? There's a great feminist quote by Andrea Dworkin, who's a famous anti-porn feminist. I don't agree with a lot of the things she said, but she said, you know, once you take she said, porn people always call porn fantasy. But it's not really because those are to real people.
Having doing those acts in real life. It's no longer a fantasy. It exists in life. And so with Quinn, you know, a lot of those at the core concerns are mitigated because it's in your imagination and it's people acting in storytelling. I love that you said or referenced the Harry Potter effect, because I had such a crush on Cedric degree when I was reading the books in my head. And then Robert Pattinson plays Cedric Degree in the films, and I was like, I don't even think he's that cute.
So I was devastated. Yeah. I wanted to keep it in my head, but Robert ruined it. So Caroline, we all remember when the MTA had banned ads from Dame on New York City subways. That's the sex tech and wellness company, because the ads had focused on female sexual pleasure.
But then there were ads about erectile dysfunction medication that were allowed to to run. The MTA had softened its stance. A little, but this was still, you know, discriminatory towards women, sexual pleasure.
There's still this stigma around it. What did you encounter as an entrepreneur working in such a stigmatized industry, especially in the early days? Well, something I've noticed is that sex is totally fine to, you know, Facebook and and the MTA or whatever until you actually call it sex. So, for example, you know, they're fine with a Burger King ad with a nude model in it. But as soon as you advertise sexual wellness or sexual health or ethical or sexual content, that's when it's a problem. So I think it's kind of a tell about our society.
And not all societies are like this that we insist that sex be segmented and pushed into a dark corner rather than incorporated into our lives as a healthy, you know, part of our lives and a normal natural instinct. But I there's you know, the fact that we have massive billboards about euphoria, which I love, by the way, which is, you know, ten times more explicit than a sex toy ad or I don't know, it's like a Kegel exercise or like, come on. Like, you got to give it up at a certain point of like you got to you got to be realistic about what kids are seeing and, and what is appropriate.
I mean, if you go on Instagram right now, right. 80% of the content is very graphic of women's bodies. That's just the reality. And and a lot of, you know, it's pornographic in a lot of ways.
But they draw the line so arbitrarily and and in a way that doesn't really add up to me. We don't even have to get into the whole free nipple debate. But that that another that's another it's like so you can show every part of the breast if this little part is, you know ban black bars censor so so so clearly dame the CEO and founders of Dame face these challenges when trying to advertise. What challenges have you faced in this sexual space as an entrepreneur? You know, this is a stigmatized industry like we're talking about. How how how has that affected your your journey? So I want to see you hesitant to like come up with a laundry list of barriers. We've had to face a lot of founders, you know no matter their company especially female or POC founders face a lot more significant challenges than Quinn has.
But I, I think it's like it's a branding challenge. It's a marketing challenge. It's, it tends to not be actually that tied to what our actual product is it's like an association, a marketing trick, and how to warn people up to the concept and use words that they feel safe around And so I would say that's how I've gone into conversations with like stakeholders, payment processors, legal resources, whatever.
It's just kind of like okay, they want to keep their brand really, you know, spic and span. How can we communicate this in a way that resonates with them? That's really interesting. So you're sort of adjusting your language and your approach to make the other party feel a little bit more comfortable. Hopefully we can get to a place where you don't have to change anything in these real. Like that you're pitching to like, yeah, it's, you know, this is great.
We love this, but dig into that a little bit more. I'm glad you mentioned that. You know, people of color, other marginalized founders have a lot of trouble raising funds or even getting attention in the first place. But what do you do to prepare yourself to pitch to people who might not understand the product itself and might not even be close to the target demo that you're trying to reach? How do you prep for that? So it's actually funny because people you'll expect to be super aghast at the concept of audio erotica end up being so chill about it.
And then the flip, the reverse is also true. So I tend to like go into the converse Asian and I'll run a few experiments, like see their initial reaction to the word masturbation or whatever and see like how we did reach an understanding about. And by the way, I was not always this way when I first started Quinn, I was like, Are you poor? Let's go like. So, like, so aggressive about it. But I, I think it's just not effective.
And I have to just kind of respect that. People have different comfort levels. Not everyone is working in this space every day. And at no fault of their own.
I have a lot of shame and bad associations with this topic. So you test the waters with masturbation and then see where you can go from there. Know the clitoris? Yeah. Yes. Yes. I think we neglected to mention that you you actually dropped out of Stanford to pursue Quinn full time. That's a big decision, you know, and and this is happening, you know, at a time when there's this industry, which has been growing the last few years, hasn't hadn't really taken off yet. What, you know, was that a scary moment for you? I mean, I wanted to drop out of college and my parents like just get the degree of have something to fall back on, you know? But was that was that ever attention for you and your family? Or.
Yeah, so there's a I forget where I read this quote, but it's like, you know, the reason why you started a startup is because you're unemployable. That was definitely my view. I was like, I don't know who's going to want to hire me, you know, whatever.
But also, I felt so energized and excited about Quinn I think one thing I feel grateful for, you know, like so many ideas come and go. Like, every day I wake up with ten new feature ideas or ten new marketing ideas and one, maybe six, six months later. But here I am, you know, like very significantly into this journey. And I feel like more energized than the first day I started Quinn about this problem.
And our solution has changed a lot. Like, we've had multiple different products, try different things and but it's really like the problem and the I believe that, like, for women to have like some semblance of equality are you like, we have to feel like agents in the most kind of intimate parts of our lives, we can't just continue to feel like sex is happening to us. And I'm just excited so ultimately dropping out was a good call. But but it could have gone either way.
You mentioned that there were different sort of versions of it, and you have tons of feature ideas every day and the solution has changed. So I'm just scrolling through the app right now. And the Discovery tab is beautiful and it's I honestly think it does a better job of letting you discover new content than, say, like a Spotify or even Apple Podcasts in some ways. So what was that process and that journey for you like and figure out what is the right user experience and how do you continue to adapt and cater to the needs of your users. So it ties back to that earlier thing I said about safety. I think of it like on a scale like on one end you have safety and on the other end you have sexiness.
You could consider like a sexual education. Instagram, for example, really on the safe end, you could imagine Pornhub being on there really like sexually explicit sexy end. And so it's like balancing these two things we want from our sexual content. We want to feel safe and we want to feel comfortable enough to explore, but we don't want it to be like so educational. It's like a wet blanket, right? You want to have a little bit of excitement.
You want to, you know, try something new, like obviously. So it's about balancing those two things, the fun and the safety, the you we another model for sexuality that's really helpful is the accelerator and the brakes. So like, for example, you might be hooking up with someone, right? And you say a word or a phrase or something that makes them slam on their arousal, slam on the brakes. Right? And they're like, oh, I'm sorry, I don't like being called ex or whatever, you know? And then there are things that are accelerators which are you know, some people can only get really into sex when the lights are off or some people really care about how the room smells or that the sheets are clean or, you know, all these things that are accelerator overrated. Setting the stage is overrated.
Oh, come on. No one asks you, Scott. Just get so how do you how do you translate those into the audio experience, the accelerators and the in the brakes? How does that translate? Well, let's take the bodyguard for example. Right. I think it would be maybe a little bit of a break moment if I was to see the bodyguard in. The first thing I hear is that I'm fucking up against the wall.
Right. It's like, what the fuck is happening? But instead it builds and you get to know the relationship, right? It's like, oh, this is a protector figure. He sees this side of me all day. You know, I feel really glamorous because I'm this, like, famous princess and the audio and it kind of like it's like the detective model of arousal, right? Where you're taking in all these context clues and coming up with a decision. And it's how women look at dating apps, right? There. They're taking in all the clues, and they're like, in between the lines it's just not as simple, right? As as we're brought up to believe or as as like, you know, society would like us to believe we're smart like emotional foreplay.
Those conversations that lead up to the moment, I think in these areas. Carolyn, let's get deeper into the actual content itself. On the Quinn app by starting with a clip from one of Quinn's most popular creators. Take a listen.
This is my room. I'm pretty sure it's exactly like yours, right? Everyone's the same here. Um, does your view look at the beach or do you look back at the mountains? You look back at the mountain or you need to see the beach.
You can check it out. Oh, yeah. Getting an ice that's just driving me up.
This guy sounds really hot. Oh, my gosh. Who is that? Sebastian. I'm actually not quite sure. Do you know who that is? That sounds like a Zillow tour guide. It was it was the version we've gotten confirmation from. So lots of questions.
I love Sebastian. Sebastian. Okay. First of all, who is Sebastian? Who are these creators? How do you find them? Let's get into the nuts and bolts of of the production, because we were talking before this interview with our producers who can appreciate this. These are this is not just some slapdash thing.
These are their sound effects, their sound design. You have obviously professional voiceover people. You've got real production scripting going into each one of these.
Yeah. So what's so amazing about Quinn is that we have sort of a marketplace of I mean, that's the wrong word. It's a collection a curated collection of creators that we really work with. We hand-carried them. We scout them. We obviously, you know, work with them to pay them what they feel is fair, give them bonuses. So it's like a really kind of it's like a collective of creators that we work with.
And you can think of it like Peloton or even Spotify or Headspace, where you can choose what creator you're going to engage with on the on the platform. I personally love the recruiting aspect that recruiting creators, it's one of my favorite things to do. It's America's Got Talent but but it's a little spicier. Sebastian, for example, is a big TikTok star. He makes a lot of pop videos. So it's like, pop, I'm your boyfriend and you come home after work.
He's an actor. He's a very talented actor. And and yet we just kind of found him. And I was like, yeah, this is going to work.
This is like a dream job. Wow. Casting for some voice actors. So I was looking on you guys.
You guys have a very robust Tick-Tock page, by the way. I think 130,000, almost 130,000 followers. And there's this guy named Eli that people love. I take stock especially there's this comment on a tok about him that said I would let Eli do anything to me, honestly. And then, by the way, another comment on that same video said, this app saved my life. So you were out here actually changing lives.
But on the topic of TikTok, how important has that been for your growth? Because I know you guys were not paying for ads, at least at first. So how has TikTok really contributed? I cannot say enough positive things about Tik Tok. I know there are like concerns about about your dog, but for me, I was like a young startup.
It was so useful in being able to test marketing angles, basically. So, like, we will phrase, you know, Quin is a new genre to do content type. How do people want to talk about it? So we try explaining in different ways. We talk about audios in different ways and creators and ask people questions us and our audience and like the community that we start slowly starting to build on. TikTok has been so informative for the product and you know, the scale we can reach on TikTok is massive and would cost us thousands of dollars via Facebook or other ads.
So it's just been amazing. Are you finding the audio clips from your your Queen episodes on what you call them, a capsule or audio audience? Do you do you find that your Queen audio is are being used by the TikTok community meme ified and stitched and divided? Is that is that happening on a pretty large scale? Yes. And what's actually so funny is like everyone started joining me in the America's Got Talent of it all. Like people will tag us anytime like a you know, someone with a hot voice goes viral like we get 15 comments like I look at queen you know what to do like how do you like that's so great you're the go to for hot audio or hot voices you're the you come to mind for everyone going back to this this.
So I think I imagine it was an intentional decision not to pay for social media advertisements early on since launching you had a 70% month over month growth. Why was that your decision to not pay for advertising and why did that change over time. So again going back to my kind of perspective on building queen like I I am committed to this for the long haul and very willing to change, adapt, iterate and like find what's working and what's not working and try to as much as possible, face the music about what's working and not working. And so I kind of take a slower approach, right? We don't have a staff of 100 people or anywhere close.
We haven't raised a massive amount of money. We're just kind of figuring it out. And I think that that thing with, with paid advertising, we have we have and continue to do paid advertising like experiments, I would call them not massive campaigns it's again to figure out what messaging is working. We need to try a bunch of things before spending a lot of money on that. Like acquisition with those with those kind of marketing angles.
And then the second piece is until we had a product that I was positive, like the retention was healthy and wouldn't tank as soon as we started adding a bunch of new people into the community, I'm still not 100% sure that we are employees. But but it's important, right? You don't want to have the premium subscription media curse where you bring in a ton of people via paid and they use it once. You know, that's not the intended goal here. We want to be like a a serious subscription contender and like some someone to be, you know, a product people love to use weekly, daily. What is the current competitive landscape for female focused audio erotica who are you going up against? Well, it depends. It depends the lens you're viewing it from.
One genre that I'm particularly interested in is romance novels. And in general, smut fan fiction, written erotica. So big competitors there. I mean, we don't you know, just we don't have written erotica, but I could see that as an alternative to using Quinn Wattpad Radish fiction, both of which sold for close to $1,000,000,000 to South Korean Internet conglomerates like in 2019.
Also you have Tumblr, right where the written erotica community is still going there a lot of like this fan fiction web 1.0 like massive archives online and then there's audible and Kindle and you know Audible's top grossing genre is romance that's insane. And those stories are porn like in no uncertain terms like they have very graphic sexy but they call the penis the member. That's that's the big difference the man the man we joke but it's important because your brand it's so blatant it is what it is. It's for female sexual pleasure. It's for sexual pleasure. And that's what the audio is intended to do.
So this kind of content, to your point, had existed in other forms on other platforms on on Reddit, for example. But you packaged it so beautifully, you reach the audience that felt unheard and unseen. So what what do you think it is about the brand of Quinn that makes people on TikTok think of Quinn when they hear some hot man's voice on social media? What is it about your brand that makes it stand out? I think there are a lot of like genres of content that start as forums basically on Reddit or Twitter or whatever. And and that's never going to you know, people have been making audio erotica in that forum since 20, 15, and it hasn't entered fully the mainstream. It's when you go on the Reddit subs, right? They're hard to sift through.
You're not there's a lot of lingo happening. There's a lot of tags that are jarring honestly and intimidating. And so I feel unsafe when you're looking for that stuff. Right. And the same with Pornhub. You might feel kind of unsafe there as well.
So the goal with Quinn was to make something that could reasonably be in the mainstream and be the default option. For women everywhere. And I don't think that existed in the landscape before.
Are all your audios monologues with that POV style monologues? Do you have do you have dialogs with similar things? And I'm curious, is that was that an experimentation that you you did and test it out with what users respond to more? I also I want to know about gradations of the sexuality because like you mentioned, there's a spectrum here in terms of like how explicit you want to get to have different tiers for people to choose from. You know, I want to I want some soft core. I want that triple-X hardcore. Absolutely. You know, there's like a phrase that ELA or boyfriend energy, boyfriend experience. Those audios tend to be are more like gentle, sweet audios.
And we have a playlist that's like our newbie playlist that is basically just a collection of audios to kind of get you into the genre. They're pretty like, I would say there one pepper on the one to five hyperscale but so we do have quite a few. We call them like collabs or a couple audios that have two voices a dialog.
I think that's particularly interesting for people who enjoy certain voyeurism or just kind of overhearing a couple interacting, but one of the cool things about the monologue audios is that you're actually in the audio, right? The listener is a character and the audio, so that's been a big unlock for us was to realize that that's the format that really works for our users. It's just like it's fun. You can be whoever the audio tells who you are and you feel like you're connecting with the creator. There's something for for everyone really like Caroline.
So the annual subscription price is 35 99 for 99 monthly. How did you land on that and have you experimented with different price points in models? So our content is relative roughly, I would say like inexpensive compared to Netflix, for example, where, you know, they're spending billions of dollars on, on their content production. We just obviously don't spend that much money on content production. So the economics of it just makes sense to be a lower price point. We aren't doing that.
So sets and shoots and hiring 12 people to, to create the content. It's really about purchasing the content from these amazing creators and that allows for just like a lower price point for our users. There you go. Well, there's something for everyone and many ways to access it and its listeners congratulations on your success. You are you're growing by leaps and bounds and you're making the world a little a little more pleasurable, little sexy, sexier I yes. It's time to tamp down on the sexiness no more, this time to get quizzical from the physical to the quizzical.
It's time for business casual, the business casual quiz. And today, Caroline, I'll be asking you some questions about the history of erotica, some minutia in the industry. But you guess what? You have Nora here to help you out.
And Nora is well versed partners. She she knows in a previous life, she was a historian on erotic, erotic novel so let's get into any ready. Caroline, for Cuba at Numero Lan, what was the first ever erotic novel written in English? Misfortunes of Virtue, Lady Chatterley's Lover, Little Birds or Fanny Hill? I have no clue.
Have you heard of any? I have never heard of any of these. Like A or B, maybe? Which one is it? Can you read A stand against it? Well, it's misfortunes. Ah, virtue is the first one. Misfortunes of Virtue. Lady Chatterley's Lover. Mm. A Little Birds, which I think is a Bob Marley song.
Or Fanny Hill. I guess. Kids. Yeah. B maybe. Lady whatever. Lady Chatterley's Lady, whatever.
That's the only one that I had heard of. But it's in fact, Fanny Hill, which was originally named Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure, the first erotic novel published in English, written by novelist John Queen in 1748. Yeah. Fanny Hill. Not to be confused with Benny Hill. Beautiful bup bup bup bup bup bup bap. All right. Q two not not sexy.
The first adult erotic film depicting explicit sex that was released to a wide audience was called Blue Movie. Who Made It? Barbara Rubin, Andy Warhol, Jonas Marcus, or John Waters, Jr. I don't know any of these people in John Waters can. You know what and John Replay.
I wonder what year are you? It's I know who made the film blue movie in 1969 film called Blue Movie, one of the first adult erotic films depicting explicit sex released to a wide audience. Was it Barbara, Ruth, Barbara Rubin, Andy Warhol, Jonas Marcus or John Waters? It's probably a dude. Yeah. Yes. John Waters. Absolutely.
Let's go over to John Waters. You guys say John Waters. Is it John Waters going to be not John Waters, who made a lot of crazy films, a lot of sexually sexy films.
But Andy Warhol the artist who also was a filmmaker and in 1969 released Blue Movie with a budget of $3,000 micro-budget. It was about two main characters Viva and Lewis spending an afternoon together in an apartment in New York City. And we'll leave it at that just an afternoon in New York. That sounds no sounds like that.
Well, these are tough. These are some of the hardest ones. We have one more here. Which of the following is not the name of a well-known female porn site? Not the name. So three. These are one is not a porn site. A four chambered heart bright desire.
Vanessa or Lady Cheeky Okay. I know lady is going across it. Okay. Okay.
So you have a four chambered heart, right? Desire or Vanessa I feel like it. Vanessa is not one. I feel like it's not one.
I don't know. I don't think that sounds like a real feminist porn site. Okay, well, then, well, then what was the first one of four chambered heart for a chambered heart for it for a chamber? That one sounds weird. Let's go with Vanessa. You you felt Vanessa. Caroline. That's the queen. We all default. Yes. We're closing out with a win here, Vanessa.
Not a porn site. As long as. As far as we know. Nice job. Way to close it out.
Caroline, you get your culinary did your research on on these other feminist porn elements. There's one called the lesser dipsy spit. Okay, a lot. A lot. A lot of them. This.
That sounds good. Good vibrations after dark some of these names need some work. But Quinn, by the way, how about where does the name Quinn come from? How would we end on that? Oh, no. Oh, Scott, it's not a good joke. It's going to be so anticlimactic. All right, baby.
I was working with this guy who wasn't my daughter, who was in love. There was a guy I was working with who was in love with a girl named Quinn, and that's it. So beautiful.
Beautiful story for the win. Awesome. Quinn for the win and Caroline for the win. Caroline, thank you so much for joining us. This is so funny, you both. This is so wonderful.
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