Jordan Peterson | ContraPoints

Jordan Peterson | ContraPoints

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My. Lords, ladies and there's. That life betwixt, tis, evident, no sensation, nor the passions, possessed Dominion never the mind of man which, is ruled instead, by a reason, sovereign. Of all faculties. It. Must needs be remarked, that the power of the Commonwealth derive. It not from the despotic, 'el acquisitions. Of conquerors, but from that covenant, amongst, men whereby, they most resembling. The, lobster. Farmington, are, we doing this again lady. Tottington. I'm. So happy to finally meet the real year. Malti, I'm not gonna kiss your hand you freak, I'm more of a woman than you are it's, not what they was saying at the Parisian, Selim clock Me Amadeus, don't, break the fourth wall I'm trying, to make a video about post-modernism. Get out of my drawing-room, 18th, century sexual, deviance so much for the tolerant jacobins. Reason. Power. Truth. These, are the kinds of topics that I simply, don't care about unfortunately. We have to talk about them because of a guy named Jordan, Peterson, - who's Jordan Peterson. Wow. He's a psychology, professor at the University, of Toronto who, got famous for sounding the alarm about how protecting, transgender, people under Canadian human, rights law shall, surely lead to Stalinism. Since then he's been touring North America, as a celebrity lecturer, David Brooks called him the most influential, public, intellectual, in the Western world at, his self-help, book 12 rules for life as a national, and international bestseller, I'm starting to think we, may need to take this guy seriously he's, got a lot of fans on YouTube and I hope you guys are here because I want, to talk a lot of leftists, who have responded to Peterson haven't, really engaged with his ideas very much he's, often caricatured. Avoided, or talked past as in the infamous BBC, interview where, Kathy Newman keeps repeating back very uncharitable, interpretations. Of everything, he says so, you were saying that by and large women, are too agreeable to get the pay I see so I'm saying that that's one component you're saying that women aren't intelligent. Enough to run these taka no you, just say murderers so to provoke, on you I mean you are provocate, I never say lightly they aren't right that you hate to be compared to you're saying that we should organize our, societies. Along. The lines of the lobsters I think that people watching this it comes off as if leftists, are like afraid, of his actual ideas, but I'm not afraid of his ideas I'm not afraid of anything I just smoked a bunch of, PCP. Daddy. So I spent the last couple weeks listening, to hours of Peterson's, lectures, and podcasts. And reading his books and honestly. I think I, get why people like, him, clearly he has real talent as a public speaker and has a kind of life coach his, book 12 rules for life echoes past bestsellers, like Stephen Covey's the seven Habits of Highly Effective People, or Rick Warren's The Purpose Driven Life the, difference is that Peterson, takes basic, self-help, insights, like take, responsibility.

For Yourself don't envy other people, and he renews them with the intellectual trappings, of psychology, philosophy, yogi, and psychoanalysis and, Bible, readings he's telling us a pretty classic story, life is suffering happiness, is not enough to sustain you through suffering, so you need a higher purpose in your life but I knew that already I learned it at the AAA meetings, I refused to go - these are like basic, insights, of world philosophy, and religion, but their insights, that today's youth apparently. Haven't heard before I guess because, not enough of them are alcoholics or at any rate they haven't heard them in a vocabulary, they connected, with so, do a lot of people Peterson's, ideas seem new and urgent and I don't really, object to any of the self-help stuff loose of Peterson's fans are young men and I mean someone, has to live the neckbeards, into shape and if, Pearson can do that more. Power to them I mean sometimes boys just, need a daddy and sometimes, girls do too. But. There's. A big problem here and the problem is, that all this life coaching, is basically, just a Trojan horse for a reactionary, political, agenda, Peterson advocates, and ethics of self-help, not merely as a guide to private, life but as a replacement, for progressive, politics, which he characterizes, as totalitarian. And evil there's no comparison. There now and a trans activist, is there why. Not the, philosophy. That's guiding, their utterances is the, same philosophy, now Peterson doesn't use the word progressive. Politics because that doesn't sound scary enough, his, new scarier. Word is post. Now. We have to be careful, not to confuse postmodern. Neo Marxism, with cultural, Marxism, the Nazi, conspiracy, theory about Marxist, intellectuals, plotting to destroy the West surely, this is not the same thing as that right right. So look I genuinely, do, not think Jordan Peterson is a fascist, and you may quote me on that but I am wondering if it's not a fascist, conspiracy, theory about Marxist, intellectuals, plotting to destroy the West then. What is postmodern. Neo Marxism, well JP that's. What I'd like to talk about so, Jordan sorry, dr. Peterson professor. Daddy. Let's. Talk and for once I'd like to actually treat this discussion, with the seriousness and respect I think it deserves. Okay. Good. Temperature, tell me the oil would you daddy. Thanks. Daddy. It's. Really an honor to bathe with a public intellectual, of your stature. You. Know, I never like to argue in the bath so I want to start by telling you the things I like about you the first thing is that I think some of your criticisms, of the left the, stifling, of even slightly different opinions, the gratuitous. Loathing, of Western cultural, monuments, the politics. And resentment, are within. A certain media, or corner of academia, valid. Complaints, I even made a video about that a long time ago when I was a different person oh, god the dysphoria please don't watch it but my worry is that you're leaving an international, political backlash against what is a very localized, problem and, I worry that some of our society's, most vulnerable people. Could be hurt by that backlash, like, fine you hate postmodern, intellectuals, an overly sensitive student, activists, but if your backlash, also, targets, gender equality, LGBT. Acceptance and, civil rights that, would be bad right I. Also. Like that you tell people how to live their lives I mean I personally hate, taking orders outside, of the bedroom, but. Clearly. The. Sheep need a shepherd and you've really stepped up with these 12 rules you know on the Left we don't really tell people what to do we, tell them what not to do don't exploit the workers do not do blackface I, guess we tell people what pronouns to use for trans people but that's. A pretty small rule compared to some of your rules like how. To raise your children or, what. Okay to criticize, things. The. Last thing I like is you talk about deep, I was watching a video where, you and a couple of zany goons we're, talking about Plato and Aristotle the, meaning of life and I thought huh, on the, Left we don't, really talk about that kind of thing all we talk about is how society oppresses.

People And that might not be enough because, people need to have a positive purpose in life I mean personally, I don't give a I'm, pretty, happy to say here are watching the same three seasons of strangers, with candy until, I die but other people like Dostoevsky. Come you other white guys who talk about lobsters. They. Have this need to have purpose, in the face of suffering and, like not. Just complain about patriarchy. I guess is easier to not complain about patriarchy. When patriarchy, isn't, the thing that's making you suffer but I do think that an education, that only teaches people about oppression is inadequate we spend four years teaching undergraduates, why capitalism, is bad and then we say well, you're educated, now good, luck getting a job under capitalism. By and. That really, kind of sucks but, you know I think, that's a point that could probably be made without, comparing, transgender, activism, to Stalin. If. You like this came across a little more sarcastic than, I intended, see this is what you've got to use a firmer hand with me Peterson, if you don't establish dominance I'm just, gonna melt off they. Use all this to passion, language, and I'm on the side of the oppressed all of that posturing. It does, nothing but mask the underlying, drive to power and I've, just been starting, to review their, curriculum, for children from kindergarten, to grade eight it's pure, social. Justice, post-modernism. The people who hold this doctrine. Just radical. Postmodern, communitarian. Option the, mixed racial identity, or sexual identity or gender identity, or some kind of group identity terminal. Control. Where, the most long. To mid-level bureaucratic. Structures. And. Many governments, as well but, even in the United States. So, you gotta give it to JP when he says stand up straight with your shoulders back he, means that so Jordan Peterson, has succeeded, largely by drawing in audiences, with fairly, popular opinions, political. Correctness often, feels stifling, student. Activists, are sometimes in articulate, and over-reactive, angry, transsexuals, are telling me what words to use and I don't like it but once he draws you in with these inviting, preludes, he leads you to a pretty weird place his, central political message, is that leftist, professors, student, activists, campus. Diversity initiatives. And corporate. HR, departments, are collectively, following, the philosophy of, postmodern. Neo Marxism. To destroy Western civilization. And sink us all into a totalitarian. Nightmare, now there's just no avoiding, that this idea is actually pretty, similar to the cultural Marxism, or cultural Bolshevism, theory but, I'm just gonna ignore that because if I do well on it will sound like I'm saying Peterson, is a fascist, and then, everyone, will think I'm crazy, look I'm not afraid, of psychologists. I don't. Like to hide so let's just try not to think about that and instead. Straightforwardly. Ask is, it true that postmodern. Neo Marxism, is out to destroy us all well why don't we analyze, the concept of postmodern, and Marxism we all know what Marxism, is the idea that society should be understood as a class struggle between workers and capitalists, and that the workers will eventually, revolt some college professors definitely, do believe that but zero, percent of corporate HR departments, do so, that.

Okay. So, what is post-modernism. Well, it's, the vaguest word in the English language some, people try to explain it by listing all the things that are called postmodern, and then trying, to guess what they have in common that's basically, what the YouTuber armored skeptic did in his video about it so many daddies, in this video we did invite the model of barbecue complain about post-modernism. Listen. To some Zeppelin, I've had worse evenings, I don't think there really is a common, thread linking all the things called postmodern, basically, post-modernism, is everything that happened after 1945. That seemed you knew at the time but, when Jordan Peterson says post-modernism, he's not talking, about Andy Warhol or Quentin, Tarantino, he's talking about postmodern, philosophy so, what's that well, basically. It's, a, scepticism, not YouTube, skepticism. But actual, skepticism. You know like having, doubts about whether humans, can really know things about the world how skepticism. Is obviously, not a new idea that. Goes way back to ancient times but. More specifically, post-modernism. Is skepticism about, modernism. So what's modernism, what's what what are words what's, anything, I'm gonna divide modernism, into two periods because I feel like it first there's early modernism, early modernism, is the philosophy developed by a bunch of boring eighteenth-century Queens, which says that we can form Universal theories about the world through observation, and reasoning aka the scientific, method now that turns out to work pretty well for whatever questions, you have about plants. And crystals, and how, to medically, reconfigure. Human genitals, but, it has some limits which was pointed out by David Hume one, of the least boring, 18th century Queens and one of the only philosophers, I can actually put up with in small doses even, though he was a, racist and also, Scottish this, is a call out Hume, argued that from Asher to the empirical, perspective you. Can't really know much about important. Things like morality, causation. And the self because, those, aren't the kinds of things you can observe anyway, then the late modernists, came along and they said, him we're, gonna do science about those things anyway so the late modernists, were a bunch of boring nineteenth-century neckbeards. Who one way or another try. To discover universal, scientific, truths about humans, so for example you have psychoanalysis, which. Said human nature can be understood, in terms of unconscious, tribes which, is of course ridiculous, I'm conscious, of all my drives and you, got Marxism, with its analysis, of boot huazi and proletariat, you got early sociology. And anthropology which, started out with recent social evolutionism. And progresses, to a kind of we're all the same universalism. Jordan, Peterson is right at home with the lay modernists. His first book maps of meaning is, an attempt to describe how humans make sense of the world and create order out of chaos through, universal, myths and archetypes which he claims are a product of our species evolutionary, past. Boy this is a lot of explaining, it's so much explaining, it's triggering gender dysphoria I better put on some longer nails. Nails. It's an old woman who'd means to you. Haha. Post-modernism. Is skepticism about modernism. So whereas modernists, try to create eternal and universal theories. About a reality history, and humanity, post, modernists, say actually. No that's, not possible, for, example the French post modernist, Michele fuku Sargon. Little. Guth's Michele. Fuku, wrote intellectual, histories, of subjects, like psychiatry, medicine, and criminal justice in which he argued that we should not understand, these histories and straightforward, progressions, toward liberty and scientific, truth but, rather as, mere shifts, in the way that power orders. Our institutions. And populations. The, other post modernist, I've actually read a lot of his Richard Rorty yeah, you Derrida, if you wanted me to read you you should have been easier to read Rorty, advocates, an attitude toward knowledge he calls ayran ism irony, being the sceptical, caution, with which we should regard our own beliefs in our awareness that, our vocabulary. For describing and, understanding, the world is not the final or best vocabulary. All right that's enough explaining, and my nails are done check it out do you enjoy having long glamorous.

Nails With, the lesbians, and queer girls keep flaring up them with barely concealed, visceral, rage well, I have, a solution for you the bisexual. Manicure, one end for the V one, end for the D both. For, degeneracy, it's absolutely, filthy so. We've got all the pieces on the table now, you've just got up with a puzzle together on, the one hand we have Marxism. A fundamentally. Modernist, worldview, that theorizes, the human condition, in economic, terms on the other hand we have post-modernism. The sceptical worldview that denies our capacity, to know any universal, truths about anything on the face of it it was seeing these two ideas are not compatible, and there is an extensive history of dispute between them with for instance the Marxist Sartre calling, Foucault the last barricade, the Fugazi, can erect against Marx and of course as we all know when Foucault died, capitalism. Did and forever. So, where does Peterson get off talking about postmodern, neo Marxism. Well it's true that a lot of post modernists, were in some way influenced, by Marxism. So the phrase could just refer to that continuity, but that's not what Peterson means it's, clear for the way he uses the term the concept, is even more jumbled, and nonsensical, than it initially, appears Peterson, uses the term postmodern. Neo Marxism, to include not only postmodern. Intellectuals, and Marxist intellectuals, but also liberal, politicians. Academic. Administrators. In corporate HR departments, that care about diversity and so-called, identity politics, activists, including feminists. LGBTQ, and civil rights activists. Basically, is the entirety of the modern left now I've already mentioned how Marxism, and post-modernism, more fundamentally. At odds since, Marxism. Is a big story about a struggle, between two clear and distinct groups and post-modernism. Is skepticism. About big, stories, like this and about the stability, of binaries, like booj Rossi and proletarian, but that's not the only tension, and Peterson's, clusterfuck. Idea of postmodern, neo Marxism, anyone with any experience, and leftist circles, knows that, Marxists, and identity, politics activists, are constantly, at each other's throats because the Marxists, accused the activists, of being blue jaw dogs who want more female, CEOs, of color and more disabled, transgendered. Drunk pilots, while the activists, accuse the Marxists, of being a boys club of brochure lists no more work on gender and race issues, than the average Jordan Peterson, found most often these accusations are, correct because everyone, is problematic. And I disown, them all and then there's also the conflict between the identity, politics activists, and the post modernists. Why does everyone think that identity, politics, is postmodern, there's nothing postmodern, about it identity, politics, advocates, for rights equality, and justice for, particular, groups such, as women people, of color and gay, and trans people this. Kind of activism, presupposes. That these group categories, exists, and are a useful basis, for political organizing, post, modernists, do kind of the opposite, they, want to show that these categories, race gender, sexual, orientation or, contingent. Social constructs, and/or themselves, potentially, oppressive, this, is why conventional, feminist activists, often, hate postmodern. Feminism, because the postmodern, feminist Swan. The whole concept, of womanhood for instance is contingent. And potentially, oppressive, and they think we should be working to destabilize. And under - and then the conventional feminist, activists, say the. We, need the concept of womanhood to organize around women's political interests, how are we supposed to do that if we undermine, and destabilize the, concept, of womanhood and in turn the postmodern, feminists, say well here's, a quotation, from Judith Butler the most famous postmodern. Feminist ever, is it not a sign of despair, over public politics, when identity, becomes its own policy, bringing, with it those who would police it from various sides and this, is not a call to return to silence or invisibility, but, rather to, make use of a category, that can be called into question made, to account for what it excludes, if, you take the first part of that quote out of context.

It Almost sounds like something Jordan Peterson, could have said the difference is that JP actually, does think we should return to silence and invisibility, or, does, he it's hard to tell what he thinks more on that in a moment I bring all this up to show that one the idea of postmodern. Neo-marxist, identity, politics, as a unifying, concept of, the left is nonsensical, and to. Identity. Politics, is not this dogma, that must go unquestioned. There were sophisticated debates. About this going on within leftist, academia, but, Jordan Peterson, either doesn't know that or doesn't care he uses the term postmodern. Neo Marxism, to characterize, the left of the unified, philosophical. Force bent on destroying, Western, civilization. When, in fact it's a bunch of bumbling buffoons, who can't stop squabbling, with each other over every goddamn, little issue the, only reason I can think of that the left would appear to be a unified, philosophical. Force is if you're so far to the right that literally, everyone, who supports, the economic, and social advancement. Of disadvantaged, groups looks, like one homogeneous, enemy but is that what Doron Peterson, is saying that, he opposes all social, progress, for women racial, and sexual minorities well, it's difficult to say because, while he spends much of his time comparing. Activists. For these movements to 20th century, mass murderers, he, resists, being pinned down to any more specific, position, I was maybe too harsh on Cathy knew earlier she came out of the interview, looking bad but she had a tough job to do Peterson's rhetorical, strategy, involves, saying something, that's more or less uncontroversially. True while, at the same time implying. Something. Controversial, for, instance Jordan Peterson will make a claim like there, are biological differences. Between men and women, which is obviously, true but he'll say it in the context, of a conversation, about the under-representation, of, women and garment which implies, what. Exactly. So how do you respond to this well either you fall into the trap of arguing, against, the obviously, true statement, or you have to guess at what he's implying in response, to which he can accuse you of misrepresenting. Him which is exactly what happened with the Kathy Newman interview, the most famous moment were Peters and dozens is the notorious lobster. Argument, so he starts by saying here's this idea that. Hierarchical. Structures, are a sociological. Construct. Of the, Western patriarchy. And then he goes on to say that lobsters, exist in hierarchies, and lobsters, predate, Western, patriarchy. By millions of years so checkmate. Postmodern. Neo-marxists, you're saying that we should organize our, societies. Along. The lines of the lobsters I'm saying that it's inevitable, that there will be continuity, in the way that animals and human beings organizing. Organize, their structures the problem with that is that no, one has ever said that every. Hierarchy, is the product of Western, patriarchy. This is such a massive straw man that it overshadows, any uncharitable, interpretation. Of Peterson suggested, by Kathy Newman in this interview no one on the Left denies, that there are some natural hierarchies. Even the anarchists. Whose whole thing is abolishing hierarchies. Limit, themselves to, the abolition, of unjust. Hierarchies. No one wants to abolish lobster, hierarchies, the hierarchies, were interested, in are those of gender race, and economics. Within our own society. To, which the lobster case as a complete, non sequitur, I mean you could use Peterson's, lobster, argument, the same way he uses it to justify literally, any hierarchy, or Authority no matter how unjust, it could be an 18th century Republican. Arguing, against the monarchy and the monarch, could turn around and say well hierarchies.

Are Inevitable, god save the lobster, Queen. Oh dear. God, my, Lords, ladies, those. Lines. Between, present. Rumors and Republican, rumbling, was amongst the rabble have compared, us to summoning. Together, let, us remind, you, that nature. Has sue made lobster, but, some individuals, be stronger. Than the others therefore. Let, not the power of our. Crustacean. Sovereignty. Be, any wise and, pure and, does for. Parliamentarians. Well. Let. Them vote for, kick. Very. Good thank, you. I, need. New roommates. So I've argued that Peterson, is voting the incoherent, concept, of postmodern. In Marxism that the supervillain, in a childishly, simple worldview. He's promoting, where these evil leftists, are out to destroy the West now, it's time to expect the other side of this coin what, exactly. Is the West well, there's an academic usage. Of the term the West that, describes the intellectual, tradition, that runs from ancient Athens, to modern-day Europe and its colonies, now a true post modernist would want to deconstruct the whole concept, of the West and show, how the very idea, is racist, and exclusionary, and supremacist. And justify his imperialism. And all that kind of thing but we don't have time for that right now so I'm just gonna grab that the West is a thing and look at how Jordan Peters and thinks about it for Peterson, the West seems to be equivalent to capitalism, individualism. The idea that each human has a spark, of divinity and, he therefore equates, it with judeo-christian. Values a, term more popular, with conservative, pundits, than intellectual historians. Speeders and contrasts. Judeo-christian. Values with, postmodern, neo Marxism, which he describes as anti Western collectivist. Relativist. And totalitarian. This framing of a conflict of ideas in terms of geographical. Chauvinism, and external, threat is inaccurate, and scaremongering. Marxism. Is Western, philosophy, post-modernism. Is Western, philosophy, if you're really concerned about preserving the geographical. Boundaries, of the intellectual, tradition, you should be ranting against the influence, of Buddhism, likewise, there is no feature of SJW.

Ideology, That is meaningfully, non-western, the very idea of people requesting, different pronouns to suit their individual, needs is exactly. The kind of thing a person who values individual. Liberty, over collective, dogma should be on board with could even argue that Marxism, is an extension of enlightenment, philosophy, with its concern for human progress science. And liberty I think a lot of people like listening to Jordan Pederson talk about the Western tradition but, they don't seem to like reading any of it themselves if you did read it you'd find a surprising, diversity, of thought that, doesn't reduce to, judeo-christian. Values much. Of Plato's. Are, concerned with arguing against, cultural relativism, suggesting. That far, from being an invention of the post modernity it, was actually, a pretty popular worldview. Among ancient Athenian, pederasts. Her favorite Enlightenment, philosopher David. Hume famously. Said that reason, is and not only to be the slave of the passions literally. Feels, over, reals and meanwhile, his contemporary. The Marquita solid, was advocating, the abolition, of morality filling. The churches with scat porn and ushering in a reign of untethered. Sexual, perversion. So decadent and depraved, I'm not even allowed to talk about it on YouTube this is the Enlightenment, not post-modernism. And it's just as much a part of the West as Petersons soggy Bible. Padding conservatism, but again and I really can't stress this enough I don't, care, either way I make youtube videos because. I enjoy mood lighting and set, design so, what, do you people want from me the lobster queen is dead long live the Queen. There is a day there's and I think you would agree that there's just a foundational, erosion, that I think. People of all sides and I think there's totally intellectually, smart people on the far left that can help, that. Where, are those people there's a there's a there's a, youtuber. That I'm actually quite interested. In that I watch her type and I don't mean the misgender, Hercules I think she has. Contra, points I don't know if you're part of this of this youtuber, who's on the phone I've seen the name come up every now and again I totally.

Disagree With everything this person says but I look at it I'm like this seems very reasonable educated. Academic, and I. Saw I'm seeing reasons. To hope that everyone. Hello. Dave.

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It's interesting to me how deeply misunderstood the use of "postmodern marxist" is among the left. Listen, you're actually well read in this boring philosophy shit, you actually know what both those things mean on their own! You can't expect most of the people using them together to be...well, that. What they mean 90% of the time: 1) postmodern - "someone who questions or poopoos objectivism and the scientific method, pushes "lived experience" and "subjective personal truths", and someone who constantly digs into shit and tries to "deconstruct" it in ways that make no sense, are not useful, or make us feel bad." 2) marxist - "a commie obsessed with control of others' speech and actions, someone trying to control culture and society in general by imposing doublespeak, guilt tripping, fake accusations, kafka trapping, public shaming, witch hunts and kangaroo courts. You know, like they did in Stalinist Russia." Seriously, this is what they mean when they accuse someone of being a postmodernist retard, or a cultural marxist. Analyzing it too deeply and going on about definitions won't get you anywhere.

fantastic video that breaks the issues down nicely.

21:48 Marx called for the abolition of ALL hierarchies in the Manifesto.


life coaching is inherently reactionary tho. i need about 4 more cups of coffee to expand on this.

mandatory celebration of filth politics at 26:07

Ok but there's so much more to Marxism than the bourgeois-proletarian binary. It's a comprehensive analysis of class struggle (including peasantry, aristocracy etc etc) and has been advanced primarily outside of 'the West' (see the USSR, China, Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, Burkina Faso etc), even if it had its origin there. It's a call to action and that action will be the downfall, not of the actual workers living in 'the west', but of its domination of the rest of the world. There's no need to be shy about that.

That clip in the end!!

14:30 oooooh my god I almost threw up! Not because of the hideous face that suddenly appeared (well, maybe a little) but mostly because I'm a native French speaker and I have never heard someone pronouncing Michel Foucault's name so wrong!! OMG so he can't read and he can't even google-translate-check his pronunciation. lol

Natalie, I so so appreciate you tackling Peterson. I've seen video after video featuring Cathy Newman and commentary about how illogical feminism is. I immediately thought of you because your approach is always easy to follow, rational & compassionate as well..

Good video Contra. I did call bullshit a bit on a couple of things but the only real criticism is that you still managed to at least slightly misrepresent the issue with the trans pronoun situation/legislation in Canada. Otherwise I appreciate the thoughtful and challenging analysis/criticism.

Absolutely brilliant!!! I am going to watch this again and again.

WE WANT KNOWLEDGE! Oh please, teach us senpai!

Like about philosphers and how to become smart and analystic like you... idk, or how you get jordan peterson in your bed.

just because some ideas are "incompatible" on paper, doesnt mean they are in the minds of people( like the concept of postmodern neo-marxism). People live and think in paradoxes. So Peterson many times said that he knows, that pm and marxism are theories, which are not compatible with each other, but in the minds of many leftist they form an "unholly alliance", and you can see the products of it beeing acted out. The problem with pm and marxism is that they lack ethics. There is no marxist "ethics" or postmodern ethics. There are no pattern of behaviour, no "ethical-mythical-symbolical" stories for the everyday, for the day "after the revolution" in marxist thinking. People are mostly creatures who play and act out stories. Marxism doesnt have the power or even content to give people stories or deep symbolical-individual meaning.

A liberal that can communicate coherently? The fuck is this? subbed.

I was a business major not too long ago (graduated in 2011), and never once was I told that "capitalism is bad", nor did I come across any business, marketing, finance, or economics lecture or textbook that was even minimally critical of capitalism. Did things change that drastically in 7 years, or is not completely felating capitalism as an economic theory every chance we get the same as being "critical" of it?

Contra, you just made into my list of people who I would like to sleep with. And you are among the top 3. Way to go with your looks.

You're not oppressed unjustly that's the point. you even invented your own identity to be oppressed..

What you mean does Jordan Peterson want to give you Gibbs?

Girl your face is perfectly painted. I'm so into it

Don't say anything against him or the alpha male sheeple will come and rape you (no homo) once they are done chocking on Peterson's cock of course.

Stop using race as a weapon.. there are hardly any black people watching your faggety ass ..

Excellent video. But you made two strawmen in the game. Peterson does not necessarily mean marxism, when he talks about post-modern neomarxism, he really seems to mean the identity policital streak that comes mainly from Foucaults hierarchical power dynamic theory. The only real marxism there of course is the idea of systematic oppression of groups, which isn't really marxist at all. And yes, I know that I'm kind of vague here, so bare with me. The second one is how you describe "the West". Many people might think of "the West" as the intellectual traditions of Europe and European-descended peoples and countries such as the US, Canada, Australia. But in academia "the West" isn't that clear-cut, i have heard definitions that do not go as far back as ancient Greece, but to the age of enlightenment, because only then did the defining features of what the West now represents take shape. And I personally share the latter definition, because Christian Europe during the middle ages was pretty much the antithesis of what "the West" as a group of countries that share similar values, defines today.

I'm glad you can read Peterson's mind to find out what he *REALLY MEANS*. If he didn't mean Marxism why use that word at all? It's hard to say what Peterson means by the west because he calls back to Ancient Greece while also talking about Christian values and Biblical meanings. I don't think he's aware that he can't have both.

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I'm a JP fan but I think you gave a charitable, reasonable critique even if I still disagree with some of your conclusions. For example, I think you kind of built a straw man where you mentioned the Cathy Newman interview and talked about JP's claim about biological differences between the sexes. That is a huge oversimplification of what he was saying in that interview. You also didn't really address his direct criticisms of Derrida, which are specifically about interpretations of a text. However, I do think JP goes too far at times and becomes hyperbolic. I wish he would have discussions with people like you on the left. A conversation between you and him would be really interesting. I still have hope that dialogue can occur and that we can get away from viewing these sorts of critiques as one party DESTROYING another. Ps - just watched the final part, omg if you could get on The Rubin Report that would be epic (if you'd go on)

Glorious video, glorious content and glorious presentation. Liked and subscribed!

This is very informative, thank you!

Telling people what not to do is the same as telling them what to do.

ContraLabels 2018

Every time you go into that bath I know this is going to be a good video.

I once kept hammering a peterson fan on how muh post modern neo-marxism is just a different word for "kulturbolschewismus" and the argument ended in the guy saying Hitler was right about the jews... That was "fun"

the interview was on channel 4

so Peterson is basically... AA for the alt right?

ContraPoints you're a genius tranny.

Exactly nails his rhetorical strategy, which is at best disingenuous.  It has always seemed to me that Peterson is fine (ish) when he's talking about his own field (although his work is shot through with the naturalistic fallacy), but he's just absolutely winging it when it comes to political philosophy and political science - as Natalie shows, he doesn't understand it, and is simply peddling a hotchpotch of conservative cheering points for mass appeal.

"fuck you derrida, if you wanted me to read you, you should have been easier to read"- a sentence I can confirm is uttered late at night by every social sciences student

this was great!

contra: "please don't watch it [Why I Quit Academia]" my youtube account's cheeky ass: "Up next- Why I Quit Academia"

He got known for his C-16 stuff as opposed to his self-help stuff. His view was so prominent, the Canadian Bar Association had to point out that, no, the law explicitly doesn't lead to people being thrown in jail just for accidentally using the wrong pronouns.

This is the first video I've watched and I already love you

"Other white guys who talk about lobsters" queue photo of David Foster Wallace and Deleuze and Guattari. lol I love you, Natalie.

I was honestly so annoyed with people on the left not discussing him recently, although I have also been guilty of writing his arguments off due to his sometimes clumsy conservative theological arguments and characterization of the left

I really try to watch your videos, but I don't like your... skits, I suppose? They're gross and make it hard to get through anything substantial. If someone could post a summary of her points, then please do because I'm sure she can be insightful.

♥Sydän♥ just skip 10 minutes in


So much foot tease in this video. I keep noticing you're barefoot on the couch. But never see your toes.

Wow. Another home run. I love when someone rationally organizes and presents the ideas I've been violently sputtering at my friends for months. You're a fucking treasure ☺♥

That interview was Channel 4, not BBC

Thank you so much for this Nat. Now when I get into an argument online and someone mentions post-modern neo-Marxism, I can point them in this video's direction instead of spending a whole bunch of time trying to explain why they're different and that Marxism is a modernist philosophy.

Weird, I actually know people who call themselves Marxists, work in academia, and espouse postmodern feminism and identity politics. Just because there are disagreements with in a school of thought does not mean that the school does not exist. If it did you could use the same argument to say the far right does not exist because they disagree on questions like Israel, the free market vs state welfare, etc.

I liked the video thought, entertaining and actually attempts to engage with arguments rather than merely hurling insults.

Peterson fan here. I enjoyed this video, it's refreshing to see a good characterization of his views, etc. I think I can clear up what I think is your best point (on Postmodern Neo Marxism). The 'Postmodern' here refers to what you might call the Postmodern condition, NOT necessarily just the tenets of the philosophy. Specifically, this is the state in which absolutely nothing can be held onto for any meaning or significance whatsoever. I have my suspicions that it has increased with the sheer abundance of conflicting information, but I digress. This might also be called depression (btw, I think it is telling that it is the case that student mental health is in decline), and this cannot be sustained for very long without going insane, killing yourself, or finding some higher purpose. Now it seems to me, that in this base, 'zero' state, the most obvious and clear path forward is going to be making use of and paying attention to, animal, basic, motivations. At least they have some meaning: 'it would be good to eat, and not die'. So after feeding, and sleeping etc. taken care of, the next motivational layer up is going to be something like the feeling of tribal motivations, and hierarchy position, that are facilitated by the primordial parts of the brain (e.g. the 'lobster' parts). And this is where the 'Neo Marxists' get stuck, I think. Marxism rather nicely legitimatizes tribalism, and this is basically as far as higher purpose seems to go with many Neo Marxists. This may be all the similarity there is between Neo Marxists and Marxists. Then why use this term at all? Well, I think it is because many of the underlying motivations are the same, as well as the expansion of the 'class struggle' into race and gender domains. As for the 'cultural Marxism' conspiracy, well my friend Yuri Bezmenov can tell you how that was true

Peterson wasn't complaining about 'a law protecting transgender people' there is no 'protection' in a law forcing people to use fallacious descriptions of reality. your pronouns are YOUR pronouns.. meaning you can call yourself whatever you like, but you don't have jurisdiction over other peoples use of words. That pretty much is Stalinism. but yea Peterson is a bit of a dick and totally doesn't understand socialism and has waaay too much of a boner for capitalism. but he was right about the pronouns thing.

I am going to see Jordan Peterson & Dave Rubin Live next month. I am giving you this opportunity to ask him a question simply because I don't have one of my own. If you have a question for him now is your chance. (Serious)

I feel like this video just gets cought up in semantics

WRONG FINGERS! .... :P ...oh, there was also something about philosophy. I was paying attention, I swear!

Idk where I am, I came here from Anthony Fantano but this guy makes some good, respectful and respectable points if a little weird at times. The production quality is very very high and even got a few laughs out of me, quality content!

whats with the creepy pedophelia stuff? someone explain this. is it a joke? are you trying to make him creepy??? what??

I need the lobster queen as my ring tone now.


Also, I don't really understand why people can't disassociate Peterson's Psychological ideas, from his Political views. I have found help in some of Peterson thought (a few years ago, through youtube videos. I haven't read the 12 steps book, cus WHO HAS THE TIME??). But that in no way influences my political or moral ideologies?

Just gotta say it. Your voice is beautiful.

this video lacks spooks, sad!

I had seen several responses to Jordan Peterson's shit, so, to be honest, when I saw the thumbnail of this video, I thought to myself "oh, another one? Really?" I wasn't sure about watching it, but boy, you did an outstanding job, this is not only another leftist response to Jordan Peterson. This is THE fucking leftist response to Jordan Peterson. I think I hadn't seen anyone calling Peterson for his very well disguised non-sequiturs, and you also managed to decrypt his real message. Not only did you explain how nonsensical his claims about "postmodern neomarxist" are, but you also used them to prove how Peterson must surely think (a quite far right mindset). This was amazing.

Not fuck. Smash!

the thing I hate the most about Jordan Peterson is how post modern he is. He's preaching gnosticism to christians and begging for money all the time. He doesn't really produce anything also.

haha that pcp comment cracked me the hell up !

I don't want this man to be my Prime Minister. Ultimately, I would rather just not have a political leader. And have Canada be sorta like Mad Max, but ice not sand. But If I have to pick between another right wing christian conservative, and a boring inoffensive centrist like Trudeau. Guess what? ... IT'G GONNA BE THE GUY FROM THE PARTY WITH LOBSTER COLOUR SCHEME.

I like your voice. It's relaxing.

Bisexual manicure, LMAO!

The only thing I'd point out is Peterson's problem is more with Gender Fluidity ideas, specifically in relation "invented" pronouns. To I think to say he has a problem with Trans people is unfair, unless you don't disassociate the two... not saying he's or wrong, but that's my take on it.

How is this scam actually a professor in Canada? I thought the Canadian education system is "good"? Or is he good at his field but prominent for a field in which he has no expertise?

Lol Marx and Engels are "Our boys" at 13:23.

Gee it's as if postmodern neo-marxism is a bullshit buzzword combining scary words that's used to scare young conservatives and liberals into avoiding ideas that might challenge or expand their worldview. Just like all the other buzzwords they rally around. "But how do you resolve the deadlock between JayPee being wrong about something and him being an authority figure that does the thinking for me?" The answer is that it doesn't matter. They come for the self help tips and stay for the ramblings about how mixing white boys with people of different genders and races is bad for western civilization somehow. Or the other way around depending on the individual.

You look amazing in this video. Obviously you made great nuanced points that really got to the root of Peterson's ideology. But also holy shit you're gorgeous.


I think "Post-Modern Neo-Marxism" sounds like a mishmash precisely because it is. I was a leftist for a long time, and in retrospect, very few of my fellow leftists were students of the relevant philosophers; most had simply latched on to a popular movement and were happy to parrot its talking points, without the grounding in philosophy. Eventually the left became deeply intolerant of dissent, and thereby further cemented its spiral into chimerical lunacy. So it's become in actual fact an amorphous blob of inconsistent rhetoric, and "Post-Modern Neo-Marxism" is about as good a label as any, under the circumstances. You seem well-read, Contra, but most of your comrades aren't.

what the fuck is this?

Have y'all seen Matt Dillahunty 'Atheist Debates' talk with Peterson? I've only seen Dillahunty talk about it post-fact, but it sounds real interesting. Seems like Peterson relies on the 'grand narrative' and is a Modernist kick-back to the PoMos (but also wants you to know that he's totally not a commie). His description of truth however, sounds somewhat post-modern and perspectival. Also, sounds like he doesn't understand art (but that's fine, it's real tricky). Finally, "no morals without god" *sigh*

You don't understand Peterson. He's actually the smartest intemallectual of modern times. The last defence against SJWs and Marxist, post-modernist pronoun-overload... feminism... uh... safe spaces and... other soy boy things. U just don't get it.

TBH my mum can't find a job so I don't know why all you smart people aren't talking about that.

Like the video, but you could have tried to do a part about Deleuze, even though he's quite obscure...

All the actual content aside (which is excellent as usual), it's good to have you, aesthetic-wise, in a time of David Lynch being just about to succumb to old age and lovecraftian madness.

This is the least bad criticism of him Ive see so far.

thanks for helping me to engage with the world again. Also, u pretty.

oh i love it so much when you deconstruct concepts, please never stop

There is a postmodern twist to a lot of leftist identity politics. The whole notion that, because you say something “as a lesbian trans chick of color”, no cis white male can argue against you, because they don’t share your experience. It’s the belief that there is no ultimate truth to be communicated, so we just have to take the claims of anyone who belongs to a group that is considered marginalized at face value.

See, if I did this, it would have been thirty minutes of me shouting "PSYCHOLOGY IS POSTMODERN, YOU CLOD"

But. Lobsters are not even vertibrates. There minds are so different from ours that that sort of comparison is ridiculous.

Jordan Peterson is nothing new, you're right to point out. This is Neoconservativism for the Angry Birds generation. (You're way too fucking attractive.)

omggg pls be my mommy professor

Another collage drop out youtuber thinks that he/she is smarter than actually professor and thinks he has a point

please. Please. PLEASE someone make him react to this!

there's this common knowledge story that male lobsters try to climb each other to escape a pan while female lobsters hold each other down. is that why

I thought of an ironic way to view how Jordan Peterson got famous. So he claims the government enforcing transgender pronouns impinges on free speech. This may be true, but here is a fun thought experiment I just thought of: I am sure there are situations where people are supposed to refer to Dr. Peterson as a doctor because he has a PhD. Some of these may even be legally binding situations. So imagine we lived in an alternative world that didn't value academic achievement at all. In this world, a social movement calling for the representation of 'educated' people rises up. The movement gains such momentum that the government forces people to refer to these educated people as 'doctors'. Does that destroy free speech?

“I make youtube videos because i enjoy mood lighting and set design” made me cackle

This was a humbling video. Thank you.

Subscribed. Absolutely love this video but there’s a few subtle but important errors in it. For instance, Peterson doesn’t argue in favour of hierarchy as you suggest. He even says explicitly that hierarchies are often cruel and unjust. He also warns that simplistic attempts to dismantle hierarchy can be disastrous - past attempts at communism as obvious examples. He’s arguing essentially for gradualism. Agree with you about his somewhat simplistic view of Judeo-Christian and Western values, but that’s a side issue IMO.

JP might teach you how to slay the dragon, but learn from Contra how to slay the makeup...

I think this whole lobster thing is a myth

ContraPoints on Rubin Report in the potential future? Intriguing

Jordan Memerson

Well, your mood lighting and set design sure as fuck is on point, can't argue with that. Mission accomplished?

Jordan Peterson is a piece of shit.

Yeah, I used to like Peterson until I started to notice how he would basically shill neoconservative views among his Jungian/Neumann ideas. I'm from the Terence McKenna crowd. We like Jung and Peterson is well versed in Jungian topics. However, Peterson is uninteresting apart from his Jungian beliefs. All of his other shit is plain neo-conservatism. So, as an early supporter of his (over 1 year ago) I formally disavow Dr. Peterson. This was a decision I've been mulling over for a few months now.

Really glad there's a sensible discussion. I like Petersons arguments (excluding the transgender Stalin comparisons), which are most of the time based on research and are presented in a really entertaining way, though I'd definitely call myself left. But I absolutely see your point, that these arguments will be used by the wrong people. Thanks for the video from Germany!

Brilliant. It’s great to see a leftist on YouTube not taking part in the bullshit thought policing, anti white/European culture and other egregious rubbish usually seen on YouTube, and concentrating on the gigantic shower of shit coming from the right/alt-right/‘sceptic’ community that is actually dangerous. We know this from experience. Although some professed leftists in the past killed millions, nobody ever ended up in a gulag or gas chamber for demanding to be called Xe as a personal pronoun. On the other hand, the nativist, tribal, anti-foreigner bent of twats like Benjamin has directly lead to millions being exterminated or killed in wars. You go girl. I may not agree with much of your politics (I assume) but I certainly agree with your use of intelligence, research, knowledge and humour to call windbag shits like Peterson out.

Pordan Jeterson

very good

Channel 4, not BBC. I for sure ain't for the right ot the left and I like Peterson but I don't agree with everything he says to be true. But just as stupid as it is to dismiss everything he says, it is equally stupid to dismiss all he says, which the far left tend to do.

I must have been REALLY stoned when I subbed because I don't remember subbing and I avoid commentary vids because reactionaries are irritating. But I am stunned by how concise, Interesting and entertaining this video was. I'm tapping that notification bell so hard I gotta ask for consent before I proceed

Contra you are my favorite left winger......ok well its you and Angry Aussie actually. But what you fail to get i think is that hes describing what he see's as happening. How society in general is applying these things. Your describing (rightly so) what these things are. Your talking past each other. Or tubing past each other, responding past each other...or......something like that. Great video keep doing your thing. :D. FYI politically im a Imperialist for the other commentators.

"The problem is that all this life-coaching is just a Trojan horse, for a reactionary political agenda. Peterson advocates ethics of self help, not only as a guide to private life, but as a replacement of progressive politics - which he characterisez as totalitarian and evil" This is why I can't help but feel that Jordan Peterson is dishonest. He mixes his good self-help intentions with political activism, that actually might have the consequence of making life worse for others.

Sorry can't stop staring at the 100k. It's so beautiful.

So I just watched a rape _in absentia_

Contra should write a book


Progressive politics is totalitarian and evil, maybe not on the paper but many people behind it certainly are Same as intersectional feminism is about gender equality only on paper, but when it comes to actions they are far left political movement that has almost nothing to do with genders (or reality) at all.

I am new to your channel. This was amazing. You are hilarious, smart and really well-spoken. Haven't laughed this much in a while.

you made this video just a day after jordan peterson had an exchange where he said that people cant be artistic without god, no, really, he said that, secular talk's channel has the clip

Great video as usual Contra. I'm a fan of Peterson in general, and while I'm not totally on board with all your criticisms, you made some excellent points, particularly concerning the lobster/biological heirarchy argument.

Do more on Peterson! :) !

I don't 'get' Peterson. It wasn't even hard. I read what he writes, but without assuming Western Imperial Europe is the apotheosis of humanity (including all societies they hadn't met yet). Or his over-arching assertion 'male' and 'female' are fundamental. Bacteria don't have boys-only treehouses. Fish don't even have sex, so you know they can't be trusted... I'll stick to sass and glitter. Plus, I can't take an elitist seriously with a Canadian accent. It feels biologically wrong.

" and lobsters predate 'western patriarchy' by millions of years, so, checkmate post modern neo marxists " #GodSaveTheLobsterQueen x_D

Congrats on 100k subscribers

Rise for our new anthem at 26:39.

i literally have been checking everyday for a new contra video and its on JP mah lord.

I agree women are generally not great at asserting themselves at work because of our upbringing, women need to shove ourselves forward an tell our bosses what we’re worth.

You done did outdone did yourself there daddy.

I think that to Peterson post-modernism means "something confusing" and Marxism means "scary bad things". So "post-modern neo-Marxists" are people we should fear because they are trying to confuse us so they can take over and do the scary bad things. I see it as just another iteration of "Fear the other. Maintain and defend the status quo", dressed up as a motivational speaker reading Joseph Campbell.

We'll congratulations Contra ya drug addled gender bending fukkin notjob....yr officially the only leftist on youtube who is worth listening to.

Inb4 all the triggered Peterson fanboys saying you are taking him out of context while they provide 0 arguments to support their claim.

Wait... If Marx was a modernist and postmodernism is just being critical of modernism then wouldn't that make Jordan Peterson a postmodernist?

This is a great video... Mommy

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Stalin-bashing? Really? C'mon, who loves ya -baby- comrade?

I don't think "out to destroy us" is a fair characterization. It's more that the path of Marxism is inevitable & we have the millions of unmarked graves to prove it. I'm old enough to have been to East Germany.

_"So much for the tolerant Jacobins. Hmph."_

enchantee should have two e's

I disagree with a bunch of your interpretations of but overall this video had me cracking up. For the sake of charity perhaps take his term postmodern neo-Marxist and look up critical theory. If you already know about critical theory then I'd say you are being a little disingenuous with your interpretation. Otherwise, I still think your content is pretty great.

Stalinism isn't bad tho

Marry Me.

Congratulations on the 100,000 subscribers!

Being a fascist, you'd think I'd find everything about this video appalling. But the only thing that bugs me is that you know leftist dialectic is fallacious. But you don't care.

About using the lobster argument to justify Monarchy or any 'unjust' hierarchy... This is a misunderstanding of what Peterson has said. He didn't say anything positive or negative regarding the mere existence of hierarchy, and says under any system of government, Communism, Monarchy, etc, you see the same phenomena (a small group rising to the top). SO WHAT HE'S SAYING IS... 'merit based' hierarchy is preferable to an engineered hierarchy. An argument against Monarchy, and Peterson uses it as an argument against social engineering.

Well.. Cultural Bolshevism/Marxism is a real phenomenon, and is the most significant force devised by the human mind in recent centuries. I consider myself opposed to it, but appreciate it and must regard it with awe for its significance, and don't deny it for a moment

“Devine what are your positions?”

so much for the tolerant jacobins!


Wow This was hella gr8 subbed

Speaking of Buddhism CW Huntington Jnr wrote a book comparing the writings of Chandrakirti an 8th century scholar at Nalanda University with post modernists and philosophers called the "Emptiness of Emptiness" - the teaching was for the cerebral types who when they heard Emptiness got thinking about the void and everything being relative and got them to re-engage with what was actually being taught which is basically that the conceptual mind has some serious limitations so reifying concepts is a lil stoopid - feelz over realz people. ala Jordan though - One thing he is getting at, though not explaining well, is that post modernism is combining with ideological fervour to produce a new breed of narrative helmet wearing students that decide to wear them permanently - rather than a series of costumes to play roles and perspectives, the creative use of critical lenses that you take on and off, 'they' just keep them on. If you are going to do that you have to acknowledge at some level your life is an experiment - a George and Gilbert. Anyway Jordan is saying these relativist helmet wearers are destroying traditional archetypal structures which reflect lobster realities and its not healthy, its going against the grain of social and biological evolution. Zizek says he is mystified by how violent and psycho Stalinism was - I'd argue that its because there was no structure and violence both physical and psychological can act as a proxy for structure - so if you tear down archetypal structure that has evolved over the last .....thousands of years the vacuum left behind is not fun for the plebs. So rather than pass out helmets that say gender can be highly fluid (which if you think about it could be seen as reflecting latent patriarchal features in social structures) Universities could say instead - here is some wonderful hats, have a walk in these shoes - go slowly at first in those heels - Peterson's cause appears ultimately clinical which in a way exposes relativity - its about health rather than ultimate 'reality' which brings us full circle to the fact that Post modernism ultimately owes more to Freud than to Marx, the creative engagement by people like Foucault is about psychological journeys - cultural therapy - He didn't articulate it so directly as Derrida and Lacan but in "Foucault the Legacy" he talks about how his work was about unearthing truth rather than presenting it. Most post modern thinkers like Foucault have fudged this bit but it pops up occasionally.

So... The meaning of life issue is like... a white male thing? I am Venezuelan and my favorite author is precisely David Foster Wallace, I'm also very fond of Albert Camus. Not criticizing, but being curious, is that how these people are perceived? or at least as far as to joke about?

I think it's just thinkers she's familiar with off the top of her head. Pretty much every philosophical tradition gets around to these questions sooner or later

Congratulations on 100K subs. Don't forget to Gas yourself.


When it comes to the point that Marxism and postmoderism is conflicting theorys, JP have commented on this before:

is that a tranny?


omg, at first glance I wanted/believed the jp doll to be an actual human, perhaps the pizza guy from your drunk stream. I'm sorry.

Brilliant video. Well articulated and fucking hilarious.

what is it with lobsters? And do I want to know?

You skipped Hegel!!!!! The most important of the so-called 'modernists', who I contend is responsible for anything interesting that can be derived from Marx himself.

What do you mean leftists don't talk about deep shit?! HEGELIAN DIALECTICS!!!

holy SHIT I liked this video. I tend to disagree with some of your politics but you are probably a SUPER interesting and hilarious person to have a conversation/drinks with. This was a ridiculously well-put-together video.

20:45 actually I've never heard Peterson say 'there are biological differences between the sexes' in a context that implies women shouldn't do certain jobs. I've only ever heard him say that while talking about 'gender fluidity' and the subject of pronouns and such.

Hey ContraPoints! Recently discovered your channel, and just wanna say I think I'm in love. But, something feels.... wrong. I wonder, what counter argument do you have against Peter Singer's Animal Liberation? Pretty much everyone I know as rational and philosophical as you is boycotting the Animal Agriculture industry, yet I've spotted dead flesh in your videos as recent as this year. What gives? Why not live a more ethical life?


From Hume to Hegel. I love it.

Contrapoints on Dave Rubin's show when?

The patron named "we wuz numenor". I'm dead

I'll have what Points is smoking, please! ... Maybe like... 1/10th the amount though.

Sees title... oh boy

I’m squealing with delight over this video. Just thought you should know. Okay I’m gonna hit replay now. Update: As I replayed this, you attained 100K subs. Congrats, it’s well deserved.

First TheGoldenOne, now this guy. Natalie, I'm starting to think you have a fetish for people who disagree with you. Not kink shaming, just noting.


You're video is getting some positive feedback on r/jordanpeterson. Nice work.

This is the best counter to Jordan Peterson I have seen.

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Your illustration concerning the difference between SJWs and postmodernist is very helpful. I now understand that while I am an SJW, my family is mostly composed of postmodern Marxists.

In other words, you can’t find your ass with both hands...

Contrapoints is a true intelectual, like Vsauce.

Drawing from my memories of being a smug "classical liberal" who probably would have been drawn to Peterson had I not smartened up long before he became popular, I think I can reconcile post-modernism and Marxism, at least from his point of view. Both are skeptical of the modern capitalist system and the class hierarchies it creates. I think that's really all there is to it. Incidentally, I'm not a Marxist, and that's because I have an anthropology background which makes me kind of skeptical of a lot of these universalist theories about human society (whether they come from the left or the right). But I do agree that capitalism sucks, so at least when it comes to practical political matters, we're more or less on the same page.

Also I just feel like Peterson is behind. I don't think the new terms have quite solidified, but we are kinda moving out of postmodernism...Especially because irony is trying to be replaced with sincerity...and there has been criticism of postmodernism from people on the left since the freaking 90s. (probably before then too !) My background is more art, but we kind of stopped having art movements..and there is a famous paper written about it called "The End of ARt' by Arthur Danto ....It's all really confusing though , because even art made during the postmodern period didn't really follow the tenants of that always .... Anyway ,at least in art, it seems to me like postmodernism is marked by a lack of belief in originality and individuality. It is rooted in experiences within capitalism because the tying of us as people to products just made it blatantly apparent that a lot of our identity is manufactured, . This skepticism is mostly demonstrated in simulacrum and appropriation art,...but there are echoes of that throughout art, even today. Especially art of the 80s when postmodern really came into vogue. There was a lot of more people constructing art out of pre-constructed images to create a new meaning .. I guess like 'remixing' in a way. I guess I would say the change that has happened is that there has been a shift back and a reclaiming of the individual, but it's not really a return to modernism per say . I'm not really sure what the opinion on originality is...Probably that it doesn't matter. This is just random mumbo jumbo thoughts. I have not had a chance to talk art much with people I know in real life V-V.

Rule 6: you can't criticize me until you prove you are perfect or else I'll call you a hypocrite, and run away laughing, jubilant from my victory.

Rule 5 makes me want to slit his throat

Hey, you’re about to reach 100k! Congrats! And good vid!

For some reason this video reminds me of a scene in Babylon 5 where a jack-booted fascist comments " I don't watch TV. It's a cultural wasteland filled with inappropriate metaphors and an unrealistic portrayal of life created by the liberal media elite."

you are a genius


You don't have to agree with JBP but the mob can't make me not love him. We are both lobster energy.

I just cringed so hard my toes cracked

Loved the video. Unfortunate that argument didn't get past wordgames though. I think its wise to assume, going into a conversation that each person is likely to have vastly different definitions of words going in. Saying "this is what the words you're saying actually means" is never very convincing to someone thats using them since its actually communicating that we're trying to do with words inevitably failing for that. At the same time you cant exactly ask Jordan to define terms either so since you brand yourself as an academic thinker it would seem quite off brand to go on the, feels train of what Jordan tends to be travelling on. You seem to tend to dismiss this by caricaturing it as petty with the offhanded comment about him reacting to protests. Hes, like, trying to communicate a feel. The things he likes about society are being degraded. "The west" obviously just becomes a shorthand for "The things he likes about society". When he talks about these postmodern neo-marxists, thats just the label hes inventing for the people that are actively attempting to degrade "The west". Thing is, there are obviously many people that this resonates with, which either implies that its so vague it encompasses anyone who doesn't like those hes labelled or those seeing their own idea of "The west" being degraded. It would be a mistake to immediately jump to something like racism/sexism to explain this thing that they all see the west as, but those hes labelling also do seem to be trained to think that is actually the reason that people oppose them. Now, after all this all the actually specific things that he says go unnoticed. The substantive things that seem really should be talking about is the threat to free speech that the people he is labelling portray to him when they try to de-platform him, others and demand him to use certain words. He doesn't seem to care at all about which words they are, so framing it as a gender issue seems dishonest to his listeners and so emboldening. Seems the Marxist part is simply anti-capitalist elements do you really think he seems not to talk about Marx, rather the various communist disasters that have happens because of them. So him, as well as many other people see those who rally against capitalism within universities as his enemy. So, this label... Its a group that he lumps these people together: Anti Capitalists and Gender activists(due to the oddly conservative censorship). And due to the ubiquity of among universities, implies that it is planned, seeing it as a growing ideology to depose capitalism and turn "The west" Communist. So brands them guilty of blindly working to create Stalin's Russia again as he believes that communism will always become that due to its track record. Now... You are sorta a... Anti capitalist gender activist from academia so... Dodging his brush seems difficult. Seems to me the only thing left for you to actually argue would be what you would actually want post capitalism and why it wont become all the thing him and his followers fear.

Your videos are excellent, and I really hope Dave invites you to an interview (and that you accept).

Jordan Peterson is a preacher, not a teacher


I can really do without you trying to fuck Jordan Peterson, Armoured Skeptic or any other professional sillyman. There are so many hot lefty henchmen already that will smash your fasch any time you want.

I'm about a third through and I almost spit out my bourbon laughing.

He is pretty much the worst part of the "I know what's best for everyone if we just think about this reasonably u ah hurhurhurhur hue".

Ugh. I knew there was a reason I left academia. My head hurts...

Good video, I particularly enjoyed your explanation of Peterson's rhetorical strategy, which often feels like an overlooked aspect. His more vague statements (and the clear extreme ones) seem to be courting a lot of far-right and reactionary individuals. I think my most charitable reading of Peterson is that he is an opportunist trying to make the most out of his 15 minutes, purely for personal gain.

I hate Peterson lol glad u did this Contra

“Got famous for sounding the alarm on how protecting trans people under Canadian Human Rights law, shall surely lead to Stalinism.” That’s a bit biased of a nutshell, don’t you think? If you can go to jail or get fined thousands of dollars for not calling someone xe or xir that’s clearly a problem. Would most people be making demands to be called xe/xir and taking it to court? No. Is it still a problem despite that? Yes.

I like the topic, and it's a great video, but I find it really hard to follow along because of so much use of language I'm not familiar with.

Can we be friends, though? I hope so. The intellectual games are fun and all but it's all gotten way too serious, personal and tribal. I would hope that Contra fans and Peterson fans are both decent enough sets of people (some overlapping like me!) and not crazy ideologues that we could actually see eye to eye, still able to disagree but get along. I would like that. It would be a nice example against the hysteria that plagues everything these days.

Underrated comment. Am I a bad person for noticing that the Jews are only 2% of population and they control majority of influential positions in Banking and Media?

I like both as well. Its like having different fuckin people in the world suddenly became a problem. If I want to start a family and have a career I'll prolly ask JP. If I wanna eat mushrooms at Burning Man I'd rather hang with Contra. At the end of the day we can disagree that on all kinds of shot as long as we agree to basic human principals like eat yr vegetables and JEW$ DiD 9/11

[sic] I agree with this totally. I’m a fan of both Contra and Peterson. Contra helps me think more empathetically to others and Peterson helps me think more conscientiously of myself and my actions. I think everyone needs a balance between the responsibilities to the Individual self and the Collective as a whole. Generally just being more thoughtful I guess. It saddens me that a lot of the top comments here are very much pigeon holding people into certain camps. Peterson camp vs Contra camp, it being inconceivable that there may be common ground between the two. I’ve found common ground in myself so I’m sure there must be others?


Contra, I do watch Peterson and although I am not too keen on the Jungian archetypes and wotnot he is clearly a passionate and genuine person. I've been waiting for someone to actually critically analyse what he has to say - rather than do hit pieces - and you've gone some way to doing that - but you still have mischaracterised some of the things he has said. For instance I haven't heard hims ay anything that is against LGBT rights as such - and his comparison of transgender activists to Mao or Pol Pot is I think just a way of highlighting how far the activists are from representing transgendered people. I would really enjoy a live debate between you both if that was ever possible.

I am really like your video. My only gripe: although you raise very good points, you stay in the territory of how things shoud be and none on what people are making of things. Happens a lot when you talk about the left. Your left and what is seen and called "the left" are way different, and not making that distinction makes you look a bit ungrounded on current events. Example: "SJWs are western philosophy". If that is so, why so many SJWs say things "science must be decolonized"? But it could be me.

Abolish lobster hierarchies

I like that you mention HR Depts. are not Marxist. They are not. But a bunch of Millenials are, and Millenials are getting jobs. So eventually HR will be Marxist. My coworkers already are and it is a STEM job.

Mom and dad are fighting again

Your whole "I'm a sexual deviant" bit is overkill. One or two of such jokes can be funny, but ten minutes of it for the upteenth time, yeah it loses its edge.

The face of post-modernism

This video is weird and gross, I'm inclined to discount all your points out of hand because filming yourself molesting a doll is so obnoxious, and really makes me question your mental stability. dude get some help.

Youre not a woman.

Contra, though I consider myself largely a supporter of JBP (and you for that matter), I appreciate your perspective on the matters he discusses. There's certainly a greater diversity of thought than what can be found within the framework of Jordan's beliefs, and the importance of such a realization cannot be overstated. Also I quite enjoy your set designing sensibilities as well as the neon glow of your mood lighting. Congrats on surpassing the 100,000 subscriber milestone!

23:57 you contradict your previous statement about neomarxism not being compatible with postmodernism. You say that a postmodernist would say that the "west" is racist, exclusionary, supremacist. But, these are the points that a neo-marxist would make because neo-marxists divide people in opressors vs opressed, and tell everyone that their moral duty is to help the opressed.

fucking americans shiggedy.

First of all: "he protested a law to protect transgender people" Wrong immidietly, his problem was the compelled speach aspect of it, the fact that they are legislating speech, you could possibly be punished for missgendering someone under that law, since the ontario human rights comission dictates the law. Look at the lindsay shepard affair if you want direct proof, plus when he was talking about bill c -16 he got a letter from the university that he should stop doing what he is doing since it could be illegal. So about 4 minutes in or so you say he basically talks about basic self-help stuff, well yes, but that's oversimplyfying it, the best self help is supposed to be clear and basic, and if it's taken for granted and wildly known the society has done a good job, so a lot of what he does is explain thouroughly why responsibilty will derive meaning and purpose in life. And you said his videos are for young men, i don't think that to be the case, the youtube audience is around 75% so naturally it can happen that most people that come to his videos are mostly men, but the thing is it was slightly over 50 % of the people that bought is book were female, and what do you mean it's mostly for men? Why can't women have som self help advice which you seem to think is the only thing he is about? Ok so this video is pretty funny. You don't seem to like him comparing transgender activists to maoists, well what he means by that is they have similar ideology, Opressed vs the opressers, they just hade different people they saw as the opressers and the opressed. In the last like 10 minutes it is really hard to respond to, you go on and say a lot of things that are connected, but these points you make seem flawed. If you would discuss this with peterson do you really think you would come out on top? Peterson knows what he is talking about, the thing that annoys me in these last 10 minutes is you make it seem like he doesn't, and i understand you have questions about what he is saying, i just feel like there already are answers to what you are bringing up. For an example you say post modernism and marxism is western philosophy, like what? yes they of course they are, but what philosphosy is better? which one is the one we use and has peformed better for society marxism or capitalism? what even is the point here...?

Theyre not just requesting additional pronouns to suit their individual needs though, they're using state force to compel everyone to suit their individual needs. The former aligns with the values of "the west", but the latter alligns with the values of a totalitarian state. The very kind of state you accuse Peterson of simply "fear mongering" about.

I like Jordan Peterson. I don't have to agree with him on everything, but he makes valid criticisms of post-modernism and speaks from his conscience as an independent thinker in a world where most people just divide themselves along ideological lines and follow what Bukowski called "The Genius of the Crowd."

All these people saying "I'm a JP and a Contra fan", just stop it. If you like JP, defend him. Don't pussy out like this by saying "look at me being so goddamn nuanced, I like both of them" and then don't follow up with anything meaningful or say something that clearly reveals you like JP more but just don't have any arguments to back it up.

Natalie! You're so pretty!

I'm sure if Dr. Peterson saw the milk pouring thing, it might just give him a chuckle... if he's not completely weirded out by it... I guess it's kinda like Marmite? Could you do a video on identity politics and how it's employed if you haven't already? The impression I get is that is 'fuck you if you're not a woman, POC or lgbt' and 'fuck you if you _are_ one of those but have even slightly differing beliefs'

lmao ur impression of peterson's voice was spot on!

Not relevant but her voice sounds like a female version of Petersons Kermit the frog-ness.


So I don't fully understand how postmodernism can claim that there are no great narratives, when the idea of *not having a great narrative* IS *a great narrative* about humanity. Doesn't that imply that postmodernist argument argues itself away? It's sort of like saying "Everything is subjective": If the statement is itself subjective than it cannot rule out any objective claims including the one that the statement is objectively false. And the statement can't be objective either, since it would be false if true. Isn't then postmodernism just another narrative out there? If so, why should I care about that and not some other narrative? After all, there's no way to discern which one is better (whatever that word means) since reason and rationality are the means by which people in power get what they want.

Could you please stop saying "daddy" like that? It's making me feel confused about who I am and what I want as a man.

I love you so fucking much for this

This whole video is essentially dress up with some stuff sprinkled in but even it isn’t very good. “I don’t like jps definitions” can sum most of this up and then a bit about how Marxism is technically a western invention (Marx’s got some interesting ancestry) so we should preserve it as well? I don’t think jp has ever said he wants to rid the world of these people he just wants to become bigger and stronger to defeat them, not eradicate or burn books or force people to talk in certain ways. And also another thing is that “he is smart with his words so he bad” ok..? He’s able to debate well and is well spoken and can trap Cathy... what does this prove. As well as the hierarchy thing we don’t know what Cathy’s thoughts were maybe she was insane and didn’t think hierarchy’s are inevitable.

trier2123241243 I didn’t make the second argument my man and like the second part I know exactly what he means if the exact definition doesn’t add up. He’s trying to say people who apply a marxist idea onto culture and race but in a fancy way.

Info S Info S it's more Jordan Peterson uses meaningless jargon. Marxism is western philosophy using it's literal definition. The philosophical definition has been argued over for centuries.

Jordan Peterson... Did more for young men and male suicide than feminism could ever accomplish.

If he's helped you or someone you know out of suicide, well, good on him most certainly. I would say that claim you make is well.. unsubstantiated. I'm not sure what sort of data could be used to empirically prove that point. But well, I'm all for things that reduce the amount of suicide in this world. I just find it a very odd thing to brag about.

I wish you could post more often but gees I can barely organise myself. I'm becoming a patreon, please keep us enlightened and entertained otherwise I will have to listen to MRAs say "all hail Queen Vagina" for my entertainment.

1:20 *beleaguered sigh* Same, tbh. Also, Lady Foppington is goals, and this is a really interesting analysis of Peterson. A good one.

not sure I understand the relevant point about "spending 4 years teaching people Capitalism sucks..." most people who emerge from leading institutions are ardent believers in the free market... neoliberal economic thought is extremely well represented in the university system... Yale, Harvard, etc the people that emerge from these institutions control everything...

I think she is speaking more of, the kind of leftist professors and activists and programs that Peterson would be inclined to rail against. It is worth bearing in mind that the richest of the rich, by math, are a pretty small number. Most college graduates won't go on to be the people that control everything, nor are most college grads graduating from Ivy League institutions.

Ooh, doing Dave next?! You do get around, you slut. ;) Anyway, stellar work as always. The envy is real. 1312

Love the bants. Subbed. ❤️

Gods save the lobster queen.

I saw a video of this guy this week. about 4-year-olds and adults looking down on them for misbehaving. After that I went on through a couple more... but on the channel I watched the tiles were about "alpha-males" and this kind of vocabulary... sounded dodgy... Anyway, I hadn't heard of JP until last Tuesday. To be honest I was like "Oh, yeah! Canadian scholars, right?" ... But then it reminded me of that "tunnel history" thing... I was quite intrigued by Peterson, I felt as if he wants to extend the realm of his studies into a right-wing political stance, like nutella on a crappy french bread (not "F"rench!), while appealing to an agreeable/disagreeable audience that believes their advantage over the outer West just came about because of hard work and a pragmatic stance in the rulling economic system ... and by that, whining is for losers and lazy people God keeps alive for some reason.

I try'd to give you a chance but this is the 3rd video of yours where i could not get past the 10 min mark, Jesus Christ youcome off as such a condescending ass.

This video could have been cut to about 1/3. But I guess style is even more important than substance.

The West = logos Postmodern Neo- Marxists seek to benefit from chaos for an ideological agenda. Benefitting from chaos is the anthesis of the logos. Therefore PMNM is “against the West” Took reading a lot of Plato to understand this. Still a great video!!

You picked up a new subscriber today :)

contra is my fave leftist

Should've used some KY Jelly on the Peterson mannequin since he's such a slippery MoFo.

I'm a New Subscriber and I really liked this entertaining video. Well done! It was insightful critiques of Peterson, though I think he's misunderstood a little bit. 3 Points I'd like to touch on: 1. Though Peterson may say anti-west, i don't think he says/means it's not west. he's saying it's the yang of the western ethos. Dare I bring Eastern terms into this...oh boi. And saying Judeo-Christian, as much as I'd like to give it up to Platonist compelling western thoughts since ever...I think it's Peterson's attempt to salvage what he thinks is a rotting civility by bringing faith and his archetypal process to remind us it's not all religious dogma garbage. The West is not soulless as he fears nihilism as I'm sure he's dealt with it too often with his patients. Plato unfortunately did not make the mark in being as influential as Jesus has been door to door. That can be debated though... 2. Marxism and post-modernism can be under the umbrella left thinking, high in openness, whatever. Fundamental differences does not matter to the ideological possessed because they themselves are in the "power" dynamic to care about the philosophies through and through. Jordan should just call these people puppets doing ignorant dirty work. These are swaths of people from various ideas, maybe even your friendly neighbor. He's pointed this out in some talks and warned of group mob mentality. 3. Peterson has lived a fulfilling career for himself with business side jobs, and everyone from the classroom to his clinic. He's got a great story as I've listened to probably 100s of hours of his audio. (finishes masturbating) He has supported Trans, and does genuinely believe there are generational ideologues seeping into the humanities. I don't think we should deny the idiocy of SJW dogma of "I'm making a difference" when you can by being educated and reasonably ethical. I think we underrate ideological possession from happening in HR departments too. It could happen considering the common person who would be forced to watch this video (because they'd rather watch buzzfeed) probably wouldn't understand 80% of the vocabulary or significance of these philosophical builds in time. (maybe I'm pessimistic). I think he doesn't give merit to Patriarchy and resorts to lobster gibberish because how he believes hierarchy is complex on competence and swapping identities for the sake of power dynamics, a naive aim that works to tear everything down where in fact naturally we're heading toward a more prosperous society anyhow. So when he's asked, is it appropriate for men and women to be flirting at the work place? and his response is Maybe, he's pretty much said "we're going to find out." He's talked extensively about women controlling their reproductive process and how unique our time in history is for women and peace. I think all he asks is we aim for a greater good (which doesn't bash Trans...) and not buy into our societal flaws as reason to break down into group mentalities that birth ideological viruses and burn down our library of Alexandria. He's a maybe guy, and people shit on him because he won't put chips toward fighting the patriarchy. I think he's aware it's a divisive game that he refuses to take part in. I don't blame him...makes sense from someone who knows a shit ton of epistemology. We live in the best times of our society so far. It will likely get better if we don't tear it down. This is his gist. Should he talk about other issues? I guess, but plenty of others talk their truths.

That sexual bathtub scene must be the only reason this video hasn't been downvoted into oblivion by JP worshippers yet...


Another Fuckin Slammer of a video from contra the goat

Progressives are neo-Marxists. Stop hiding behind some bullshit mask. It's ok. We understand your authoritarian nature.Your beliefs were born from the same ideology that produced Stalin, Hitler, and Mao. HINT: What's the one thing that all the above & you agree on? There are oppressed groups & nasty oppressors.

mikeinbc wtf is a neomarxist? You morons are worse than sjws. Just throw some buzzwords around, and think you have some sort of argument.

okay but where do i get the white lacy dress thing from? help me out here

Man, fuck lobster hierarchies.

It must feel great throwing darts at a portrait and wiggling around in a negligee while winkingly exclaiming "nonsensical", but patching theories together at their dichotomies dishonestly dismisses a booby-trap's net seams likely to seduce the less jaundiced -which is probably everyone else. No one on the radical left seeks to void hierarchy? No one on the radical left denies the inevitability and the competitive benefits of winners and losers? No one on the radical left is attempting to jury-rig (and hence infantilize, patronize and cripple through tokenism) representational outcomes of group identity demographics? These are certainly strategies against which Peterson particularly rails. Are you denying that the radical left is not in favor of these methods so that what they see as justice may be achieved? Many on the radical left see flipping hierarchies as not establishing a hierarchy at all and rather as a paradigmatic pendulum intentionally swung in the opposite direction of what they remain convinced is their right to determine as real history. Instead, this ostensible achievement perverts even a modest degree of balance through its use of vengeance. Worse still, their strategies oppose insuring that the means to acquire the merits of success can be diffuse and organic enough so that there are always at least some present and accessible in virtually all social scenarios. This is the West's strength and that Peterson sees the West as a monolithic amalgamation of competing ideas would be pretty palpable positing a close read or listen. Yes, the West! It is more reasonable, your insinuations of National Socialist propaganda not withstanding, to consider the objection Peterson lodges against pomo-marxism not so much in invasive terms but as the epitome of an internally destructive appetite that can easily grow beyond containment. EDIT: I look forward to your braving the youtube nazis and offering your take on the Marquis. Maybe you could throw in a little Pasolini. Wouldn't that be fun?

aaaaaand SUBSCRBED

I didn't even watch yet but I'm so glad you did this thank you

@ContraPoints Where did you get those earrrrrings?! (the ones you were wearing in the bath) I want! You're totally kicking ass at fashion lately, damn. Makeup on par too.

Cathy Newman reeheeheeally isn't a leftist.

I must say Lady Foppington's makeup is exquisite in this video.

There is no Pepe Silvia!


"Sargon you little goose" XD

This guy is pretty hilarious, I like his points although I dont agree with all of them


I uploaded a Jordan Peterson spoof interview earlier this week, which was falsely flagged immediately after upload, & Youtube still hasn't addressed my appeal. Anyone want to show me some sympathy?

It totally stifled the growth of my channel, which is only starting out. Jordan's fans are insufferable.

Too bad Peterson won't respond to Contra because Peterson is a BETA FEMALE SJW.

Peterson is a post modern Bolshevik plant.

Subjectively speaking... If you say so...

I wish to marry you, please You are so clever and funny and beautiful, its unfair

Your explanation of postmodernism was actually really elightening. Always learn something when I watch your vids!

Judeo-Christian values are near-Eastern. I tend to be skeptical of people who claim to champion Eurocentric culture, who yet eschew indigenous European religion.

This video was amazing omg Natalie you're really stepping up your game

FINALLY SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT RORTY thank you contrapoints youre great

I'd watch this but I have a room tidy. I'll check in tomorrow with a response to put chaos into order.

long live the lobster queen!

I never realised how much fucking philosophy I have to read for my drama degree until I watch one of your videos and recognise every single name and laugh at your comment about how unreadable Derrida is

Don’t you see that he is comparing the control of speech with Stalinism, and not transgender people. If I have a right to call a woman a men, then I have a right to mispronounce someone. Yes it might be hurtful to them, but we can’t control ppls speach

9:00 gave me a giggle fit. I really do think he needs to see that part.

Peterson is the newest wrapper for the same basic right-wing conservative bullshit ideas. You would be AMAZED how many times right-wingers can unwrap the same "gift" of conservatism 101 and be enthralled by it having a shiny new wrapper.

JBP actually uses the term Cultural Marxism in one of his first political videos

I think I'm watching you get hotter over time. Sorry. I had to get that out. More importantly, your video is very well made.


I'm acquainted with a socialist whose whole occupation appears to be attacking SJWs (he even coined the modern usage of the term, apparently) as detracting from an older class struggle politics which he thinks should be the real goal. The idea that these two sets are the same (let alone also postmodernist) is indeed absurd to anyone familiar with it. The sophists were accused of basically the same thing as postmodernists now, plus of course the original skeptics.

Try reading Derrida just for the joy of it. Don't try to understand. Then you'll get it.

Hello there

on the post-modernism and neo marxism, actualy came from russian thinkers, developed by french comunists to disguise comunism ideology. if you think for a second that russia or china are "the west", think again. On the other part of the argument, yes post modernism wants to take down the west. aswell has all value structures and ideas (once they can be multiple interpertations of them) , and stupidly , althoug knowingly, creating a total colapse of the logos. Just comenting the last part cause i think you really dont want a honest conversation about this.

i love the satire , very well done .

What a reprehensible video, it's so bad that one can't even try to respond to it, it's just a straight up F- , imo you should just delete the video, there is no fixing or saving this now.

I'll give you one example, the very first criticism of him is wrong, "he protested a law to protect transgender people" Wrong immidietly, his problem was the compelled speach aspect of it, the fact that they are legislating speech, you could possibly be punished for missgendering someone under that law, since the ontario human rights comission dictates the law.

That's not the reaction of somebody honest.

Btw you don't really seem like happy person that lives a good and meaningful life...

haha didn't think you'd notice the colin moriarty part, i was watching that stream when he mentioned you. About jbp's post-modern neomarxism, he has said several times that those two concepts are at odds with each other, he just says that they are using post-modernism to devalue the axioms, biological truths and other facts current society has been predicated on and then after devaluing them slide marxism underneath, because they were marxist to begin with. For example the concept of wealth inequality is directly portrayed as oppression in marxism and in modern day for example any wealth inequality between women as a group and men as a group was and is portrayed as oppressive or unfair even if evidence suggests that there isn't for the most part any unequal treatment and mostly it is about different averages between the sexes and life choices that lead them on having different amounts of earnings as groups, but they reject the argument with post modernism saying that there is no difference between the sexes anyway and then treat them as collectives and pit women against men (their oppressors). Even beginning from the faulty assumption that two random groups of people have to have the same amount of earnings otherwise the wealthier group is oppressing the other. Now capitalism of course has its problems if left unchecked will create massive inequality, but you can't throw the baby with the bathwater, capitalism drives innovation and economic progress and even with increasing inequality the trend is that poverty is decreasing around the world. The place of the political left is to advocate for the people at the bottom of the economical hierarchy and decrease the inequality that capitalism produces. Now it has abandoned it just to play identity politics and treating people in regards to their group identity and not who they are as individuals, using that as a segue to what you said about trans comparison to mao, he wasn't comparing mao to the trans community or individuals he was making a comparison of some trans activists are ideologically possesed and are driven solely by group identity politics which as a set of axioms are similar to maoist china, doesn't matter who you are as a person it just matters who you are in regards to your group identity. Probably you might disagree but he just has a hard stance on identity politics from the left and the right, as he has called out right wing extremists that also want to define themselves in regards to group identity. Well sorry about writing that much, I like your videos anyway and think you had no ill intent in mischaracterizing the central point you made about postmodern neomarxism, that indeed sounds weird anyway. Still enjoyed the vid, look forward to seeing you in the rubin report lol, good luck in all your endeavors

I've never watched a video of yours before but this was fucking hilarious.

thank god just when left twitter was going to destroy my last brain cell in comes contrapoint to save me with diversity of thought

Hey guys. JBP-tard here. I never knew exactly what a "Post-modern Neo-marxist" that JBP was talking about, I just sort of assumed it was what those SJW types were, thank you for your clarification between what postmodern beliefs and what marxist beliefs are. This was a great video to introduce me to the "Left-wing" side of American culture. Looking forward for more videos

That ending was fucking perfect



Oh hey it's a person who actually understands what postmodernism means. Maybe I should follow this person.

"I'm sorry Dave, I can't insert that right now."

Wtf what am I watching

Yes! I love Strangers with Candy!!!

Dis gon b gud

I disagree with calling "identity politics" what you said it is, I think we need a clearer term for our current discussions on identity, I think race, civility, social class, professionalism, ethnicities, family, friendships, and many other historical concepts had to do with "identity politics" race and racism of the 19th century as an example was a matter of identity politics, politics itself is almost always a matter of identity more than anything

There was a milk bath scene? Yaaassssss.

hey hey hey... what's wrong with being Scottish? :/

Thank you for the informative video but I still do respectfully disagree with you and could you please site links in the description because these topics interest me?

Wow, actually authentic representation of JBP's views from a left-leaning person. Impressed. So authentic that I think he would agree with the most of your video. For example on the fundamental contradiction between marxism and postmodernism ( ). As to his style of rhetoric I think your critique is somewhat legit since most people understand it too literally (e.g. lobsters etc.), but I think it is more temperamentally based and therefore is not crucial. And concerning his idea of the West rooted in judeo-christian religion I don't buy it either. He had a great discussion on this one recently with Matt Dillahunty. During the Q&A one guy asked him how would a real atheist look like? And get pretty "fascinating" response about Raskolnikov from "Crime and Punishment" ( ). P.S. If only mass and social media would operate on this level of analysis instead of A vs. B narrative...

watched some other of your videos, they are hilarious) subscribed

Good video Natalie as always, and hi friends if you look 26:56 My name 'Amos Yee' YES MY NAME IN THE CREDITS YES!!!!

Do you still think Child Porn is cool?

Mao and trans activists are the same; neither have done anything wrong

Congrats Contra girl on 100k subs :D

Blah blah you forgot to take your top off.

Thank you for pointing out that ID pol isn't postmodern. It's a classic modernist framing of the world and labeling it postmodern is nonsensical and proof that postmodernism the way the right often uses it has become a boogeyman word devoid of meaning.

You're so pretty!

Frankly, as someone who likes his new book and plenty of the points he raises from time to time, I find your response a delight. It helps me understand some of the problems and loopholes in his rhetoric, or at least how he communicates it, and getting a healthy and rational dose from an opposite point of view to what I'm used to hearing helps me get a grasp of the situation much better. In general, I think hearing a rational argument for two sides of a matter makes for a good habit, so I'm glad I got to see this. Thank you :)

Contra is the best thing to happen to the left on youtube

Dude, this video is good. I’m a JBP fan and this was fun, smart, beautiful, weird, insightful, naughty and just plain funny. Good job.

I continue to be impressed by your level of patience for the sort of crap that's coming out of today's right. I've never been great at talking about these sort of things, I get way too easily frustrated by what strikes me as obvious bullshit.

I'm getting a little tired of even people on the left ragging on that Cathy Newman interview. She's absolutely right about him, he's an old school reactionary and he constantly hides his actual ideas under several layers of mealy-mouthed plausibly deniable bullshit.

You’re weird, I like you.

I've been looking for this for a while. This is such a clear explanation. Thank you!

Seems to me that your main (and really only) critique is that he isn't explicit enough with some of his ideas. Tbh, some of the things you talk about being unclear don't seem so unclear to me... What I'm trying to say is: it seems like a lot of people have jumped on the Peterson hate-train recently, but most of the critiques can be resolved by simply watching his reply to said critiques or asking him for clarification. Your position is understandable, but some of the other Peterson critique videos seem like it's a bunch of people who want to hate Peterson and don't want to leave any room for clarification. They just assume the worst... Btw, whether Jordan is using the post-modern neo-Marxist term correctly or not, it seems clear to me what he means. A lot of people are taking the dictionary definition of those words (which is understandable) and then applying it to JBP's line of reasoning (this is bad). If they argued in good faith, they would argue what JBP is implying and not the meaning of the words he chooses. But obviously they just want to make him look bad.

Then why would he use postmodern neo-Marxism as the term and not something else? Being as smart as he is, you would think there would be a more fitting term that he would use to describe his line of reasoning; however, he still uses the term and people deconstruct the term instead of the argument. This is done very skillfully by Peterson and really falls in line with the point about him not being fully explicit. An invasion of postmodern neo-Marxism is an undeniably scary term to describe what is happening politically; but, if Jordan Peterson's line of reasoning is separate from the actual definition of the term then why not even leave the postmodern neo-Marxism reference out? The problem is, this leads to an ambiguous implication which can be manipulated by Peterson into saying that someone else is misrepresenting him and therefore they are wrong. If someone says something somewhat controversial and ambiguous that could have multiple implications and someone said "why are you bringing this up? do you mean (the worst implication )?" Why is the blame placed on the person who made the interpretation and not the person who baited out the response?

aaaaand in case you didn't see it, you're in current affairs :)

peterson is not against calling people their preferred pronouns, he's against forcing people to call others by their preferred pronouns

REEE you misrepresented him!

I agree both with your personal reluctance to bother with it and the judgment that it is ultimately necessary. :-\ Thanks for doing it anyway.

Royston? Bring me my lust gurney!

Soooo what i got from this is that you agree wiyh him on all ppoints. You just dont realize it.

After binge-watching the sublime Cobra Kai, I!?! Subscribed!!!

Daddy, show me the West!

Really hoping this was an attempt at pure comedy. Because on all other accounts, this was a shambles. You initially say that you've spent hours watching / listening to his video's and podcasts, yet what you take from the whole debacle that got him famous was that "he didn't want to call transgender people by their pronouns". Sigh. His MAIN point with that whole thing was that he was against COMPELLED SPEECH by the government of Canada, that goes directly against free speech. Also kinda funny how you're coming from this "he's on the right" angle, which also just isn't true.

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Clicked randomly and immediately a misrepresentation. That's not his view of what West is, he of course realizes in addition to points attributed to West, marxism, postmodernism and SJWism are all part of Western thought. Just that he believes the former are what makes the West great. Also, wanting to be called by a specific pronoun can be seen as individualism, yes, but forcing another to call you that can not, quite the contrary, it's suppressing that person's individualism to call you what they personally choose to call you.

Can I just stop to say that irregardless of politics, Contra's transition is ON POINT?

Don't worry Contrapoints. I'm an Alcoholic too! :D My Avatar is me at a bar.

Progressive politics is evil and murderous. Classical Marxism was an economic theory that was totally wrong. Every prediction was wrong . The labor theory of value is ridiculous. And every single society based upon Marx's economics failed after murdering millions of citizens. As a result the Frankfurt school dumped Marx's economics entirely, retaining only his resentment, hatred for capitalism and lust for power. They also abandoned any attempt to improve or even envision a better society. Their job was just to criticize the society they preyed upon. Post-modernism maintains this adherence to being utterly useless and entirely critical. "On the left we don't really tell people what to do"???? I guess AAA wasn't enough to stop you drinking yourself into delusion. Telling people what to do is all there is to leftism. And leftists don't just tell you what to do, given any power, they enslave their societies and force people to do what they are told. Post-modernism is actually skeptical, so skeptical that it doesn't think Ohms law is real. Postmodernists think that gravity and electricity are social constructs. They also hold that no one can actually understand the Pythagorean theorem because it can be interpreted in an almost infinite number of ways if you try real hard. Marxism and post-modernism share a belief that the only real truth is power, by which they mean political power, the ability to kill people. Post-modernism unlike Marxism can't believe in the kind of power that can be measured by volts and amps because for them neither amps or volts exist, being social constructs and all. Postmodernists spend their lives writing interminable texts that explain why writing texts is useless since texts can mean almost anything. And they write these texts inside skyscrapers, using elevators and air-conditioners while denying that the knowledge that made all those things possible exists. Postmodernists are either insane, or hypocritical liars. Richard Rorty states that "at 33,000 feet I am a modernist". So he at least is just a hypocritical liar. But this video is a pretty amusing presentation, sad that it is being used to defend evil and idiocy. Maybe you just need another anti-freeze highball, the drink of the proletariat.

mark abrams His predictions are accurate e.g. The falling rate of profit. ‘The labour theory of value is ridiculous’ is not an argument. It tells you the use value of an object when supply and demand are in equilibrium. Those who died under state capitalism doesn’t say much about Marx. Postmodernists don’t have much to say about science, so your points about ohms and air conditioners are non-sequiturs and devoid of all context. Post-modernism is a reaction to modernism.

"Who got famous because of sounding the alarm about how protecting transgender people under the Canadian human rights law shall surely lead to stalinism" - you are being dishonest

I liked this video, but I am amazed at the rude and arrogant people in the comment section, who actually call Peterson a fascist. I think there is a pretty watchable youtube video where Peterson justifies his use of those terms in an almost satisfactory way(it's something like jbp postmodernism neomarxism) I don't agree with him about using those weird words, but you seem to be simply guessing why he uses those terms.

look yes i see all you points but are traps gay?

Somehow ContraPoints holding a mannequin with her debate partner's face taped to it, sexually, in a bath, is the most ContraPoints thing ever

Your videos are so painfully funny, I can’t handle it. Btw if u get to drown him, technically, he doesn’t get to be daddy XD


If I had a dollar for every 18th century sexual deviant I had to kick out of my drawing room...

I am a Jordan fan. I can't right now. I seriously can't.

Is it wrong, that I actually think you're hot?

LOL you're hilarious. Good video. I love Jordan Peterson, I hope we get a response. I'd be interested in his take. COLIN AT THE END! He's one of my favorite people.

I've been waiting for this!!!!!!!!

That's the thing, my only problem with Identity Politics is when class is ignored or there's this antagonism to anything to do with class identity seems very suspect to me. Class is very important but its not the only category humans fall in and ignoring other intersections is downright reactionary, but no one who engages in the ideas of equality and liberation should ever never ever overlook class.

You've missed a core principle, Peterson tell's people what they "should" do not what "to do".

Speaking as a Peterson fanboy, I really enjoyed this video. I genuinely hope we are beginning to see a dialogue open between Left, Right and Centre minus the tedious RACIEST! SEXIST! blah blah blah.

Aron puma LOL! Yeah, I meant racist

Did you mean Racist? Or perhaps were you going for a critique of decadent speech and aiming to type "sexiest." ;) That does feel like an important clarification on a contrapoints video.

These behavioral comparisons to animals are so fucking stupid. We're not lobsters, wolves, lions, or cattle. We're humans. Humans have our own behaviors and our own instincts. We also have the most complex and overstimulated brains in the world. We're just not going to ever be as easy to pin down as a fucking lobster. The only animals we should be compared to are other great apes, but even then only tentatively because, yeah, we're smarter than them too. Shitheads who try and box us in with X animal are just identifying which Human instincts they personally want to promote in society, then arbitrarily declairing those to be the only true human instincts. Sorry, no. Humans are broader and better than that. We run all the gamuts, baby. Get fucking used to it.

The lobster queen is dead. LONG LIVE THE QUEEN.

Is "lobster" supposed to be a metaphor or euphemism for something? Because everyone seems to get some kind of meaning from it except me. What do oceanic crustaceans have to do with ANY of this?

Its a Jordan Peterson Meme, since he attempted to use lobsters to explain why hierarchies are natural for humans, and the analogy was pretty wack. Thus, people mockig him make jokes with lobsters in it.

I mean, nails are pretty much women, in tiny finger sized bites.

I was thinking about Jerri Blank just yesterday.

We don't need extra laws to protect transgender, murder assault, and all matter of physical harm are already illegal.. As for allowing a child to assert their own gender, I mean, I can't condone the state taking a child away from their parents for raising their kids the way it's always been done, just cuz it's not progressive enough for some.

The bill introduced by the Canadian government wasn't really an extra law. It simply included transgenders in an existing law which would protect their identity and prevent them from being discriminated against simply for being transgender.

Postmodernism is the use of critique to deconstruct social structures and paradigms. It should not so much be viewed as a philosophy but as a tool, especially outside of earnest intellectal circles. It is not at odds with Marxism when used as a tool to deconstruct the current paradigm to make way for Marxism, nor is it at odds with identity politics when it is used as a tool to deconstruct the current paradigm to make way for degeneracy and foreign invasion. The creation of something new often requires the destruction of something old, and postmodernism accomplishes that. Notice that the postmodern feminist in your quote, (((Judith Butler))), is using postmodernism as a tool, since, like most Jews, she is incentivized to promote non-identitarian inclusivity given that Jews are a rootless clan that live as guests or "renters" in others' countries. Obviously they benefit from the inclusivity of their hosts, but if the push for inclusivity turns identitarian, it forces Jews to give up their relative invisibility to rally under their identity as Jews to lobby for Jewish "rights" in their host countries. The problem with that is that while native citizens have a natural right to exist in their respective societies and therefore a right to be heard, Jews do not have an inherent right to exist in others' societies (and they know this well because they have been banished from their host countries literally hundreds of times over thousands of years), so doing this would make them more publicly visible as what they are: a foreign tumor.

Look at this guy using the word "identitarian" and thinking he's under cover Holy shit it's so sad

"Postmodernism is the use of critique to deconstruct social structures and paradigms" That's also the definition of modernism. You clearly have no idea what post modernism is

I really hope that post-credits scene is a preview for your next video!


another mind to do yo ting all over on is the aforementioned Slavoj Zizec, as one you could do volumes as he sounds colorful like the greek greats n others, you would do him so good, ohh yes you would ;) lolol

I stand censured. I’m one of the fedora-y brocialists who now sees the deep seriousness of identity politics in a new light. Thank you ContraPoints, I owe you a moral debt! ❤️❤️

this was fascinating how they try to reduce it to an us vs unipolar dichotomy coupled with the again reduced struggles on each issue being the pro/cons of each, all mixed together n given a bs left/right label n more...oi!

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Heartfelt thanks to the dumbass libertarian Colin Moriarty for name-dropping Contra on the Rubin Report.

"Not sure if I (f23) can go through with boyfriend’s (m25) Jordan Peterson fantasy."

14:20 - silly Abigail. Not just nails. It's also lipstick, dresses, flicking your hair back, and speaking in a whispery voice. And liking being bossed around in the bedroom. Duh! Not offensive or harmful to women AT ALL.

Contra the ContraPoints position on JP:

7:10 - wow, you're comparing forcing people to use pronouns else they'll lose their jobs to him giving advice in his book, where the consequences to you not "doing as he says" will be... nothing? When governments or corporations start ordering people to live as Peterson says, say what Peterson wants them to say, then you'll have a point. Until then, no. Don't pretend that refusing to use preferred pronouns is always a case of someone being an asshole, wanting to hurt you, etc. It can be a simple matter of not wanting to be forced to lie, not wanting to contribute to the equating of womanhood to following stereotypes, etc.

I didn't. Reread my original comment. "Governments and corporations..."

Yes, I have. Workplace contracts are not the same as legal bills, do not equate them.

Have you? I can tell you that more and more workplaces here are requiring people to sign papers saying they won't "misgender" people; it's safe to assume that not complying will result in people being fired.

Don't pretend that you've read the C-16 bill. You have not.

You’ll never be a woman no matter how much you try.

Wait, there is infighting within the US Left and within the US feminism??

There is always infighting within the US Left, really the worldwide Left. And within the right too, it's just the human condition.

Peterson has to see this

He's not lying the Left has a soft spot for Stalinism and Maoism just like the Alt Right has a soft spot for Nazism. Along with denying their Holocausts.

This was a brilliant take down of Dr. Peterson’s vagueness and incoherency when it comes to expressing what, precisely, he objects to so vigorously. I would argue though, that Dr. Peterson fell prey to the same thing that many of us out here have in this age; namely that in trying to sort through the ridiculous degree of contradictions and mutually incompatible beliefs and positions that the contemporary left fosters, Dr. Peterson just lumps all of those contradictions in together and misrepresents them as a coherent worldview where they are rather, an incoherent worldview. He is right though, that there is in fact, a worldview. You point to conflicts between academic post modernists and left liberals in academia, but that’s not really what most concerned people are concerned about. Peterson does take aim at those academics, but I think the problem is despite the fairly philosophically coherent examples like Judith Butler, the majority of academics at most lower and mid tier universities that the average person attends are not expressing a coherent worldview, but an incoherent one. The left very much does mix fundamentally post-modern ideas with modern ones. That result, is the one complained of. For example, the left does embrace a modern idea, the coherency of identity as a means to understand and interact with humanity. But it embraces this concept within the framework of an ethics of the will, whereby what is moral is what is desired or contrived as such by the individual. That is a fundamentally post-modernist idea, a la Camus’ myth of Sisyphus. This is why the contemporary left is viewed as increasingly totalitarian and threatening. On one hand, they can tell you “this is the way the world is” and in the next tell you that there is no truth but what a given person desires. It’s why the left can argue for extreme individual liberty when it comes to some things, but absolutely believe that the state should police and penalize other things. It also demonstrates that wherever post-modernism is concerned, incoherency follows. It’s all well and good that you think there is no truth but what you make, but the minute someone else’s self-truth conflicts with your self-truth, what the heck do we do? The only way we can and have responded to this conflict is by creating systems that regulate power, so to maximize the capacity of individuals to live their “truth” without coming into undue influence from other self-truth livers. This project is probably what Peterson really cares about. While you are right that post-modernism, Marxism, liberalism, Christianity, are all technically “western”, I think you have to admit that some things won out more than others in the West, and some things are more foundational than others. This is exactly why Peterson points to Judeo-Christianity, because it truly does underpin or at least frame most of what came after it. Marxism and Liberalism both rely heavily on common reference to Fundamentally judeo-Christian ways of looking at the world. Heck, Marx essentially quoted Jesus in the communist manifesto. In summary, I think the conflict JP is waging and what the western world is waging, is a conflict between whether truth is objective and independent, or subjective and dependent. And while both sides often incorporate assumptions of both of those larger views, I think that the left fundamentally believes, even if it doesn’t always act, as though truth is entirely contingent and personal, where the right believes that it is constant and universally applicable. That’s really the fight here, and it’s hard to boil it down to that when people contradict themselves as much as they do. I think JP’s point, and the right or centrist or liberal view, comports more with observable reality. And this is precisely because where the left claims no truth but my truth, they are incapable of furthering that view without insisting through their political activity that *someone’s* truth should be imposed to the detriment or exclusion of contradicting truths.

12 Rules for Life is bogged down by his desire to bring Judeo-Christian literature into places it doesn't need to be. I gave the audiobook a try, it's OK, there is some good stuff in there. However, it reads very much like it's written by an apologist, someone who seems to want to write off any harsh interpretation of the religious texts as misunderstandings of what they mean, but don't worry, Jordan has figured out how even something as disturbing as God ordering Abraham to slay his only son Isaac as a test of faith and loyalty was actually a message about how you sometimes need to give up what is most precious to you in life. You need to make self-sacrifices. That's all it is... only it fucking isn't! You don't just remove the jealous, ruthless God from the story and turn the whole thing into a self-help metaphor FFS. He does this several times in the book and its very easy to see through. Also, the way in which he seems to see some things as just too complex, and other things as just plainly simple, whenever it suits him, is particularly annoying. For example, apparently you are not an atheist. Even if you think you are, you aren't, because you are too complex. You don't know what you are. Apparently, there are no atheists, they just don't know what God they worship. Right, OK then Jordan. Then, in the same book, he implies on multiple occasions that the horrors of the 20th century (mao, stalin, hitler) come about when these religious traditions and ideals leave society. Oh wow, it's really that simple huh? Something as complex as the formation of the Soviet Union, or Nazi Germany, is simple but apparently you are too complex to ever be an atheist? And why is that even in a self-help book in the first place? It really feels like two Jordan Peterson's wrote the book for two different reasons. The first one is the experienced clinical psychologist who actually has a hell of a lot of good things to say, particularly to young people. The second one is a Christian apologist eager to shove the bible into anything he can, even where it is totally unnecessary and doesn't seem to fit at all. The result is a bit of a mess. I'm still happy I checked out the book as some of it is very entertaining and informative. However, most of it is boring old assertions and arguments I've heard over and over again.

"So who's Jordan Peterson?" *deep inhale* That was the perfect encapsulation of the Jordan Peterson Experience.

After the Toronto attack, hate speech laws are needed more than ever. Peterson's alt right bigotry isn't just idiotic and wrong, its dangerous.

wow so much butthurt in this video - just ... wow

26:00 I love the John Waters reference!

Watched hours of Peterson myself. Peterson isn't wrong about cultural marxism, denying it exists and what it does simply means you're oblivious to it, cognitive dissonance and denial are one with progressiveness. Cultural marxism is what turns a weak-minded white man into a liberal bugman, brainwashing them to self-destroy in order to help any cause but their own. The one thing Peterson is factually wrong about though is blaming straight men for whatever is wrong in society today. Straight liberal men are *also* at fault, but that's it. He basically spends hours telling men to self-improve to become worthy of something that's not worthy at all. Oh, and he's spot-on on gender politics.

Absolutely false. Like, I respect a difference of opinion and everything (which is why I won't bother correcting your on the gender thing) but the conspiracy theory of marxists sneaking around and manipulating society is..completely without merit. We're in the middle of the biggest right-wing swing we've seen in decades, the left have done almost nothing since the 70's, and somehow they're still a threat? Um, how?

I disagree with the characterization of Anarchism as opposing "unjust" hierarchies because it carries a lot of philosophical baggage about what exactly we actually think is or isn't "just," at least without further clarification. The reason for this is that, by such a definition on its own, anyone could call themselves an "Anarchist" insofar as they personally oppose whatever hierarchies they happen to think is "unjust," while potentially excluding other kinds hierarchies that the actual Anarchist movement has historically opposed, which is the problem with "Anarcho-" Capitalists. The truth is that Anarchism opposes *all* hierarchies within the context of politics- social hierarchies.

Good video. JBP does represent the left as more unitary than it is - especially in academic circles. Postmodernism and neo-marxism do go together though, as you yourself showed at minute 24 when you said that a true postmodernist would not just take apart the concept of the west, but also call it out as oppressive, exclusionary and supremacist etc. As you said earlier in your explanation of marxism, this theorizing of history and societies in terms of oppressors and oppressed is very much the core of marxist ideology. So while the two might not always go together, they certainly can and in public discourse often do. And that's what JBP is up against, constantly victimizing some and villifying others and trying to demolish not just unjust hierarchies, but any kind of hierarchical difference. That doesn't mean that he defends all hierarchies. His lobster argument is more sophisticated than that. He speaks of hierarchies of competence and a lot of western legal traditions in which individual liberty and freedom of speech are essential values. That is where you misrepresented things somewhat. But still, good video.

Anybody calling anybody daddy makes me wildly uncomfortable.

It's a bit off topic, but why does the LGBT community love to oversexualize themselves as much as they can even in the most innappropriate situations as well, but then cry out transphobia, homophobia when it gets met with disgust, even though the same thing happens when a heterosexual person does it ? And what does dick/pussy sucking "humor" have to do with making a 30 minute argument about not liking the word "Post Modernist"? Just because plenty of people have been labeled post-modernist in the realm of philosophy doesn't mean that post-modernism can't be used in a huge context. Even though post-modernist architecture and arts exists as well, they don't have much to do with philosophy. It's just a term used to define the timeframe in which something was created, and shouldn't be thought of as anything more. Whatever the naming is, it is undeniable that this newer form of social justice has a hell of a lot in common in with the principles of marxism (e.g the fighting of classes).

Alright, well I'm here to tell you that you are wrong. Straight people do the exact same thing. The only concession I'll make is that straight people don't have mardi gras. Doesn't it make sense though? These people are judged, ostracised and sometimes worse because of who they choose to have sex with. It's not LGBT people that chose this path, society decided to make their sexual behaviours into a huge deal first. Your definition still doesn't earn the "postmodern" title. And the rest could be applied to literally anything. Islam, Nazism, Monarchism all have these fundamental classes, are they also postmodernist? Of course not. Asians having a higher wage than average doesn't make the systematic jailing and execution of black people suddely "not racist". America is a county where actual, literal nazis run for office. Don't tell me there isn't a racism issue.

I definitely am, since one's own sexual life is normally thought of as a private thing, but when it's about the LBTQ community, saying "I love licking pussies/I love sucking cocks" is completely acceptable, and so is dressing flagrantly. Why can't people dress decently on pride parades? And the naming "Postmodernist Neo-Marxism" fits it in my opinion, since it is the worldview that there are 2 main groups, the oppressor (bourgeoisie/the white patriarchy) and the oppressed(proletariats,everyone else), and the way to equality is to overthrow the so-called white patriarchy.It goes beyond fighting inequality, and also has the hatred of capitalism associated with it. Going by this logic, asian countries have asian oppression, and black african countries have black oppression. Yes, America is a mixed nation, but the majority is white. (Universities can be majority jewish/asian though), and you had Barack Obama as president for 2 terms, and aside from the rednecks, people generally liked him. If America is systematically racist, then how come Asians earn about 20000 dollars more on average?

Are you suggesting that there isn't as much oversexualisation in heterosexual communities? Also the defense of postmodernism is laughable. Your conclusion is that any attempt to undo injustice is marxist.

Having now watched it I would say that still his objection was based on compelled speech even if misguidedly - he might have misunderstood the legislation - I still don't see why he is said to be against LGBT rights - and even if his position is wrong he is allowed to express it especially if sincerely held. I think the idea that this had just been a calculated way to get views on his youtube channel is completely wrong.

OK I hadn't seen that.

John Cox Except he wasn't. He just sold cute ideas, to sell his books.

I think he is objecting to compelled speech rather than transgender rights which is not the same thing.

The attack on bill c16 is an attack of transgender rights.

DeoMachina I dunno man. I saw all of that in my college. Now I see the same in US colleges. To the point where it makes the news. So, prove that I am lying. You are not even attacking the argument.

But that isn't happening. You are lying.

DeoMachina I have to add: colleges have been propaganda platforms for marxist for ages, to the point where it is a stereotype in my country and most of Latin America.

DeoMachina extremes look for each other. It is not weird for white nationalism to make a comeback when you have people telling whites they are inherently evil simply because they are white with no consequence. I do not like either. Both would get rid of me for I would not agree with them. Both would get rid of me for not falling in line, one of them for not falling in line and not being of the right skin tone. You sound like you do not live in reality, or perhaps you love what is happening.

Nobody took their free speech away, some students are just very unhappy about literal white nationalists using colleges as propaganda stations. The white nationalists still get to speak, just not there. But it's kind of fuckin' weird that nazis are making a comeback...yet you're worried about marxists?

DeoMachina college students wanting to suppress rights like free speech suggest otherwise.

People have been bleating this for decades. Um, hello? If that really was the case, the USA would have gone red years ago.

DeoMachina no. They go to college for that.

Conspiracy theory. Kids didn't just suddenly become communist.

shut up weeb

Harry lol how can one be a fan of some one as reactionary and ignorant as Peterson and at the same time say they are fan of contra, this doesn't make any sense.

ColeYote I wouldn't knowingly lie. And I'm not even wrong, I mean regardless if Jordan is right about Bill c-16, his problem was the compelled speech aspect.

All of those things you just said about C-16 are *LIES.*

ColeYote just because you're ignorant of it doesn't mean it's not true.

Nobody is doing that you stupid fuck.

Feminism is about advocacy for women so, no shit?

I really enjoyed this video. As someone who has been following Jordan Peterson for a while, I have been getting very frustrated with his arguments. On the one hand, he gives off an aura of authenticity and intellectuality, but he also seems to over simplify complex concepts (like lobster hierarchies or PoMo). Thank you for this excellent deconstruction of his viewpoint. I think I have understood the man a bit more because of your video and now have some more talking points when discussing J Pete with friends. I wonder if you have seen this video he did for Big Think ( He makes a very similar criticism of the left and PoMo and Marxism as he has done before, but here he makes this very legitimate point. He says the there are those on the right who have decided which markers of the extreme/radical right are intolerable - racial superiority he says is a well accepted marker on the moderate right of something which can never be tolerated. He goes on to suggest that the left should do the same - identify a marker which would make a doctrine/ideology intolerable. He suggests that it should be the 'doctrine of equity', saying that equality of outcome can never be achieved. I think here he makes a valid point, not about equity, but that leftists should identify a marker for what is an unacceptable doctrine. What do you think of this final point?

The back drop of this video looks just like a bar in DC


The idea that not wanting to devolve into identity politics puts you in the way of helping minorities is completely bonkers. Individualists want to uplift everybody. The fact that anyone is trying to malign that speaks volumes. Also, you say you'd rather he doesn't compare the activists to stalin to make a point, maybe if they stopped acting like brownshirts, than your complaint wouldn't fall on deaf ears, Contra. You trying to boil down what the activists are doing to "telling people what pronouns to use" is very dismissive, yet again, about the real complaints that people have. Do you not realize it?

Jordan Peterson is a hot dad who i want to shut up

JBP is not using lobsters to justify hierarchy, or to claim that they are inevitable, but to explain how we got here, and to point out that it needs to be considered as we move forward. Lyshenkoist tendencies do in fact exist still and following them might go to bad places. For example:

the bi-manicure resembles blinged-out classical guitarists' nails.

Best video I've seen in ages. Perfect mix of humour and reason. Thanks for making this. Oh and your set design and mood lighting are par excellence.

Oh my God, how did I miss the awesome Pink Flamingos reference at 26:12!?

That's a better explanation of the time line of modernism to post modernism than I had in 3 fucking years of university. Good work.

First time viewer, and damn, both your sense of comedic timing and your analyses are razor sharp! I'm one of those loser guys with whom JP's stuff about growing the fuck up resonated pretty powerfully with (as you say, because of the language used - turns out that's pretty important to people who think analytically) but I've also been a "practising" atheist my whole life (and appreciating his nuanced-but-subjective take on the archetypes in the bible and their social impact ain't gonna change that) and think of myself as left-oriented. So I'm generally in agreement with what you like and dislike about the guy and what you agree and disagree with. I'd also throw into the "dislike column" how he tends to brush over just how much of social hierarchy is NOT predicated on competence like he asserts - he throws a bone to those of us who can see how the wealthiest and most powerful actually keep (and inherit and pass down) their position by saying hierarchy is not ALWAYS a fair meritocracy (and oh-dear-yes-that's-a-problem) but the reality is that it hardly EVER is. Shit, is that too Marxist a comment for someone who counts himself as something of a JP fan? A bit where I disagreed with you: Identity politics isn't some innocuous organisational mechanism to rally advocacy around, it divides people and uses the idea of privilege to insist on who can and can't talk about an issue, as if we have no common humanity or can LEARN about what we might be unfamiliar with. Seems to me it's essentially as discriminatory as the oppression it's attempting to fight.

"What do you people want from me" You. "clearly he has real talent as a public speaker" Really? For me, he gives the impression of a dull, grey, block of if all the wild places of his heart have been carved out, or ground down, and replaced with chains and gears.

In before '... you just aren't on the same level of analysis as JP'.

Fug, I don't know where I stand anymore... I'm an egalitarian. Gender roles are stupid. Degeneracy is funny. Be nice to minorities. I'm turning every type of gun into an anime girl just to piss off the nazis.

15:25 I support degeneracy! Hail satan!

Peterson doesn't care about angry trans activists telling him what to call them, he cares about the government enforcing it.

I wouldn't call him a fascist, but I would say he is a diet fascist. He seems to have a hard on for social darwinism.

00:21:00 hits the nail on the head with how Peterson wiggles out of arguments. The same thing Sam Harris does..

This is amazing

"sometimes boys just need a daddy" fuck you're right

The transgender activists hes talking about are like stalin though. Mainly because they are Antifa and admit it, Antifa is definitely a communist group. If you dont want to be lumped in with the shitty violent side of the left then disavow them.

I was using the general you in response to most leftists. I know where contra falls on the violence issue and thats why i bother watching her. Im quite right wing but find her to be the most reasonable leftie ive seen on youtube. I was just talking about the perspective older folks might have because as far as a lot of people are concerned there seems to be no difference between antifa and all the other protesting lefties. They all seem to be the same thing. Honestly for the most part they are the same thing, i havent seen a ton of nuanced views outside of this channel.

Contrapoints literally has a video criticizing violence by Antifa. Personally I feel the need to point out that although the politics of Antifa are a nice variety of left wing thought, generally anarchists make up the bulk. They don't want the state to crackdown on Nazis, they believe there's a need for communities to crackdown on Nazis by any means including violent ones when necessary to deny them a platform. It's a really interesting history that's worth more than judging on surface level aesthetics.

Old white guy won't shut the hell up - the Jordan Peterson story

The video I was just watching was Jorden Peterson.

I wish universities were as cool and transgressive as they're in right wing fantasies.

I take issue with just one thing in this video: 25:50 The "reason" that Hume critiqued was abstract thought divorced from the input of concrete experience, which was the mode of knowing about the world that the Rationalist philosophers advocated. Hume and other Empiricists rejected the idea that one could derive truth about the world simply by connecting thoughts to other thoughts following rules of reason or logic; truths about the world have to be discovered in the world itself, not in the minds of people who only entertain ideas about the world. This is an important distinction to make, because it underlines a huge weakness in the worldview of online "skeptics", who seem to believe that abstract reason alone can produce anything of concrete practical value. It can't. It's a tool, and, just like any other tool, it's only useful within the limited range of pursuits for which it's specifically suited. One of the many pursuits for which it's unsuited is the discovery of moral or ethical values, which is essentially the point Hume was making when he wrote the quoted passage.

This video was an actual masterpiece

Yet another absurd hit-piece full of strawmen and ridiculous leaps of what we will generously call "logic." The surest way to spot a fanatic is their seeing fanaticism everywhere but in themselves. Opening with proclamations of how you're not going to act like Kathy Newman and then just rephrasing her drivel isn't fooling anyone. You have, as usual, made no arguments. You have simply stated your ideological presumptions as a given and proceeded from there pointing out how—obviously—anyone who contradicts you is clearly evil. Lame. As to the corporate link: no, they don’t believe your bullshit. They are simply co-opting it to control you. Fundamentalism is handy to those in power that way. Congratulations on selling your soul to the very people you claim to oppose in exchange for a pat on the head and the vacant assurance that yes, YOU are the GOOD people. Now, regarding postmodernism and “Marxism.” Yes, they are a contradiction and Peterson has always pointed this out. No one ever accused you guys of consistency or intellectual rigor.

I wasn't arguing; I was dismissing. You are totalitarians. You are deceitful. You are slanderous. Your best “minds” are obfuscating, pseudo intellectual hacks. That you preach your bigotry in the name of tolerance fools no one. In short, you are morally and intellectually equivalent to people like the Westburo Baptists. The only differences between you are matters of window-dressing, not substance.

not an argument

This is one of your best.

Unrelated to the video, but you are getting cuter by the day it would seems! (Cute enough that I would lock you up in my polyamourous BDSM dungeon. And I mean that in a totally not creepy, positive way.)

Waiting for a deconstruction of Dave Rubin as well ^_^

Obviously the identity politics game isn't an intelligent plot to overthrow western culture. That's an unforeseen side effect.

+ContraPoints Basically, Peterson doesn't understand shit about philosophy and you're giving him way too much credit.

Bro, are you related to Kinobody / Greg O'Gallagher?

Minor point - the Newman interview isn't BBC. it's Channel 4, whose newsroom is run by ITN

Why go after Peterson he is a petulant child...if you want to critique someone actually intelligent Ben Shapiro is the one.

I wanted to write something smart (mansplain) but really you said enough

Protections for transgender persons will lead to Stalinism? I think this means that Mr. Peterson is another guy who can, in my humble opinion, jump up his own ass. In fact, I'd be willing to help him in that endeavor.

contra is right in that peterson and other neo-liberals are hypocritical for their reactionary stance toward the fruits of liberalism/the enlightenment, and yet still clinging to the root which produced them.

Good and very informative video. It's sad that people actually take Peterson seriously.

Natalie I love your content. It is really refreshing to see someone deconstruct Peterson's views, and argue against the most charitable interpretation of his philosophy. One question: you frame Peterson's self-help content as a "Trojan Horse" for his political agenda, but are you sure it isn't the other way around? It seems to me that he gets a lot of attention for his political beliefs: that's the source of his initial notoriety, it's what interviewers ask him about, and it's certainly what gets him play time on right wing and "new center" media circuits. However his direct messaging to his supporters (i.e. his book and his lectures) seem to lean far more toward the personal responsibility side of things. I think you could argue that rather than being his true end-game, Peterson's politics have served as the hook with which he got the attention of a generation of lost young men who've been spoon-fed this reactionary anti-sjw rhetoric for so long, and largely he's used his spotlight to push his own positive message. He didn't have to do that. I'm sure Tucker Carlson and Dave Rubin would have been happy to continue having him on every couple months to talk about nothing other than the excesses of the left and "cultural marxists" since the initial bill C16 debate in Canada.

Girl you are just a force of nature. People just have to respect your intellect and your talent. That is what makes you so effective. Just great.

Channel 4 not BBC (very different things in the uk) , aside from that the video is phenomenal.

I don't feel to comfortable about this. It's way to erotic for me to consider criticism against Peterson (also it make my peepee feel funny)

Marxism or any modern(and not postmodernist deconstructionist) "Progressive" ideas which purports to be for betterment of people in general fail in the fact that they either are ignorant about or underestimate their own(and their comrades') capacity for evil Postmodernist deconstructionist ideas, on the other hand, have deconstructed everything to the point that action becomes impossible for them. A truly postmodern intellectual would either be a nihilist or a buddhist monk, because if everything is a power game, and power games are in net, harmful, then why bother playing them..? With irony you can only do so much. Read the writings of David Foster Wallace on irony And how he predicted an age of authencity and authentic emotions and authentic talk(have seen those clips of Dr Peterson breaking down and getting emotional) almost a decade ago

This is freaking brilliant. You're like the political Plinkett

Economical hierarchies are products of competence.

Natalie is getting so pretty!!

little brain: determinism larger brain: manifest destiny even larger brain: divine right of kings largest brain: all hail the lobster queen

ooooh that post credits like some fuckin marvel shit

"Everyone is problematic and I disown them all." Twitterpated

I'm not going to lie, informative as these videos are, the lighting may be my favourite part. I fucking LOVE the lighting!

Hey, really big Jordan Peterson fan here but I honestly really enjoyed this video and subbed as a result. Recently I have been experiencing this discrepancy that although Jordan Peterson espouses that people shouldn't be ideologically possessed I feel like a lot of his fans or at least right-wingers seem to have these very symptoms. So I've been looking for more balanced viewpoints that doesn't seem inflammatory in nature or clickbaity and wow you really enlightened me on actual left perspectives and had fair critiques while being really entertaining. So thanks, looking forward to more.

Kudos for having the open-mindedness to look for critique and challenging perspectives! I wish I could encounter more of those values on the internet.

God save the Queen. A fascist regime...

I love Jordan Peterson and I think this video is great

All hail lobsters! And short fingernails.

so, as you know, this is where us SJWs hold our meetings and I would like to bring forward an agenda for us. it's: -kill people -burn shit -fuck school

*I'm fuckin' radical, nigga*

Oh! Darling! You should stop having sex with people from the far right! Intolerance could be contagious! [btw, I loved the counterargument of the lobster queen!]

The Cathy Newman interview is not BBC, it's Channel 4, that's a 5 second google. (With you on Hume). I think you miss represent his objection too bill C-16, it was not an issue of prefered pro-nouns, but compelled speech, which is an Orwellian line to cross. Set design is on point, strangely impressed by your wallpaper door.

Yugio psycho analysis

Great write-up in Current Affairs

I dont agree with a lot of your opinions but appreciate the reasoned arguements atleast (and creepy humor, haha..). Ive heard not great things and didnt expect it. Good job.

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Every time you call Jordan Peterson 'daddy' I die inside.

Huge win in the battle of ideas

Even the more critical comments actually address the points (or lack thereof) made in the video, instead of just going for the low hanging fruit of throwing cliched anti-left buzzwords at her.

Happy to see how many comments come from JP fans who genuinely welcomed a new perspective and listened to her points. I greatly admire that approach and I wish I'd see more of that on both sides.

Kanji Well actually it's a yes or no question. You can add caveats if you want to. Seriously, it's quite pretentious to beat around the bush.

Whenever she says “so you are saying is” is not putting words at someone mouth, is interpreting for an audience, this is at the most shitty hosting but it happens in every prime time interview, this one time the crutch became more noticeable

No she isn't, she put words in his mouth consistently. "So you're saying this" and "you're saying that". The way she conducted that interview was disgusting personally.

Well, he's basically a coward that can't really admit what he wants to say, because everyone would reject those ideas, so he has to pretend and use weasel words. Hiding is all he can do. Taking that away would be almost like bullying.

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Let me just say that I believe he's the type of person who is willing to change his mind or his approach if his opponents are reasonable. I'm tired of this "let's ruin and believe everything this person has to say is horrible" approach. Jordan Peterson is doing things in good faith, unlike some other people. Sam Harris specifically talked about how he sent an email to Jordan about how Jordan was misrepresenting Sam's opinions and then Jordan apologized and said he will be spending some time to read his books in order to understand more clearly. No more 'problems' after that. Jordan is not the type of person we want to be using these shunning tactics on.

I would agree that he's not out to cause as much harm as possible. I don't think he's a monster. However I do think he has a career, and that he would be far from the first to tell half-truths/outright lies to sell more books. He might actually believe he's doing the right thing, somehow.

Perhaps I'm not seeing things clearly, but after watching so many videos of him, he doesn't really seem like the guy who wants to intentionally bring suffering to the world. Not to mention that some of his ideas are not what he believes but simply an exploration of new ideas.

Let's be real for a second: The only people who wish to be misunderstood are liars and cheats. So the honest and genuine amongst us take care to be clear and to clarify. And if we are public speakers/authors? It's doubly important. So it's not an accident that Peterson is vague all the time. It's intentional. But why? Well as I've already established, there can be no good reasons for this. Yes, him clarifying would be an improvement, but don't forget that being vague was a choice he made.

Couldn't have said it better. Classifying a vague group of diverse, often strongly disagreeing sections of liberal thinking under a bunch of scary-looking reactionary buzzwords it makes it easier for him to push a borderline conspirational narrative of post-modern neo-marxists trying to take over the world. Every [buzzword buzzword] who says they care about an issue are lying and only want power, etc. etc.

@Othelloz I'd love to ask him why he uses those words specifically. Based on everything I've seen and read about him, I assume it's because those words are the closest he can think of to describe the 'groups' he is talking about. I would much prefer this to be clarified by Peterson. Isn't this what you should be saying: it would be great if Peterson could clarify some of the things he talks about in order to provide more fruitful conversations where everyone's terms are used in the same way? We already know that Peterson doesn't see 'God' the same way the typical public does and this has led to a lot of people arguing and assuming he sees 'God' the same way they do. The only thing I'm saying is that some people are assuming a positive interpretation because of their overall knowledge of Peterson and others are assuming a negative interpretation. Both sides are wrong for this. But I just wanted to point out that the negative ones don't seem to want to have their mind's changed, they just want Peterson to be wrong and show to others how much more they know about the meaning of some words. The proper approach is not to assume, but to ask for clarification.

It seems clear to you what it means, exactly. He makes it so his audience fill in the blanks themselves, of course it's clear to them. He is whatever you want him to be. But that's dangerous.

axisaudio nat is making waves. The lobsters have forgotten to swim and will either drown or be saved by the queen. Or something like that.

yeah, he is against stalinism


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Totally wrong. It was not a lie, if you actually watch what he says about it, it is the policies surrounding the bill that contains those things he is taking objection to, so no. He didn't lie. I can make short sentences too. I don't know what arbitrary things you are thinking of to label him a conservative, but sure, have at it. He has repeatedly said that he does not have a political agenda, but when you criticize the far left and the SJWs you get painted with a fascist / nazi brush almost no matter who you are and what you say. Contrary to (somewhat) popular belief, holding viewpoints that oppose the left does not make you Adolf Hitler incarnated.

His main point was a lie though. He claimed the bill contained things it did not. He lied. (He's also clearly a conservative, I don't know how you can even deny this)

i think contra look better than blaire tbh

"progressive politics is evil and murderous" As opposed to...**checks notes** Bombing the shit out of poorer brown people?

mark abrams His predictions are accurate e.g. The falling rate of profit. ‘The labour theory of value is ridiculous’ is not an argument. It tells you the exchange value of an object when supply and demand are in equilibrium. Those who died under state capitalism doesn’t say much about Marx. Postmodernists don’t have much to say about science, so your points about ohms and air conditioners are non-sequiturs and devoid of all context. Post-modernism is a reaction to modernism.

its ok, daddy can be wrong sometimes


Am I the only one who thought this was a bit rapey?

Two genders only.

contrapoints is actually jordan peterson in drag

This is probably the best video I've ever seen on YouTube.

dam u look hot

Even ignoring the content (which was great by the way) that was one of the funniest, most well constructed videos I've seen anywhere on youtube.

When you let the state tell you what you must, and cannot, say... you're fucked. Disagree with this? That's fine, but it makes you a Statist. And a silly sausage.

Yep. The "Neo Post Modern Neo Marxist" label is rapidly becoming as vapid as the "fascist" label. Both side dish out silly alarmist labels in lieu of actually debating. Someone says something slightly conservative or right wing? They fascist neo-nazi cunt. Who, if we allow them to continue, will destroy our civilisation and march us all to the gas chambers. Someone says something vaguely left-leaning or progressive? Then they are a neo-Marxist postmodern arse hole who, if we allow them to continue, will destroy our society and march us all off to the gulags. What ever happened to listening and debating ideas?

Still clearly a man. I'd suggest to keep up with the hormones a few more years.

So I wanted to thank you for being your strange self. Your production values and costuming are killer and you seem to be having a really good time doing your thing and being yourself. Which brings me joy, because one of my younger sisters is in the middle of transitioning and it's really nice to see someone just having that as part of their identity and being a successful but still eccentric human being. My sister's got some issues and I worry about her finding her stride in the world, I'm concerned that part of her thinks that once she becomes a WOMAN (heavenly chorus and lightning bolts) she'll feel normal and all the things that make life difficult will melt away. And I think it will help her feel more herself, but chasing normal is a farce. This might sound like a backhanded compliment but it helps knowing your kind of weirdness is out there, because you're eccentric in a creative way and I can point to you and people like you when my sister doesn't think the world has a place for people like her and say "Look at these people, they are killing it, they are happy, they exist, there's space for you in the world!" So thanks for that. As for Peterson; I can't speak to any of his other stances, I haven't really been keeping up with what Peterson's been up to, but I was always under the impression that the original complaint about the Pronoun law was that people were being sort of bludgeoned for things they hadn't said rather than things they had and there was a lot of pressure from the university administration to adhere to these new rules before it even became a law or face job loss. As I recall he was hugely (justifiably or not) concerned about the way the law was written making it precedent for essentially compelling certain kinds of speech. Not that he had a problem with using certain pronouns. Though I do recall he found it perplexing the sheer multitude of terms that were listed and how many designations (of note were the many "animal-kin" designations) were given the same weight as those we've become (or are becoming) accustomed to. I didn't really have a problem with that stance, I think it's way easier to tell people they can't say discriminatory things in a professional setting than it is to tell people they have to use certain terms or risk being penalized. And I can see his point in being opposed to that tactic in enforcing anti hate laws. Of course the law also essentially just updated some aspects of the Canadian criminal and human rights codes to account for gender identity and expression (and catch up to some of the provinces in doing so) which was good so he might have been making a big todo because his bosses were being really pushy and he's now become a celebrity over what amounts to a workplace disagreement. Which would be hilarious if it didn't cause so many people so much grief.

Watching this from the other side of the political isle, I have to admit the video is hilarious. So, let me preface this by saying that I do not consider myself a Peterson fan, though I share some of his views. That being said, the argument presented here is sound, but, ironically, like the Cathy Newman lobster debacle, it only chips away at the surface, targeting his phraseology and formulations instead of the substance of his claims. Yes, ''postmodern neo-marxism'' is a nonsensical term. And, yes, Peterson is only using it to avoid the extremist baggage that goes with ''cultural marxism''. However, the fact that some leftist academics (Herbert Marcuse in particular comes to mind) actually attempted to push socialism through culture rather than economics. Now, this isn't an assumption, or a conspiracy theory, as Marcuse openly discusses these things. For example, in ''Repressive Tolerance'', he argues for the complete abolition of freedom of expression for right wing ideas (all of them, not just the extremist ones like fascism). In "One-Dimensional Man'', he claims that the workers have become ''too integrated'' in capitalism, having lost their ''revolutionary potential''; that, instead, radical intellectuals should create a revolutionary vanguard by rallying the ''socially marginalized'' (women, racial and religious minorities, LGTB folks). So, when you take this ideological platform into account from a theoretical standpoint and compare it to what is going on in American and Canadian college campuses in practice, can you truly see no connection?

This is a great video with some great points and I wish I could focus on them more but I’m vexed and haunted by the JP mannequin

This video has done the best job so far that I have seen of pointing out how utterly AVERAGE Peterson's intellect is. Scratch a bit and there's literally NOTHING interesting there.

Here's why pronouns can fuck off. I got a million labels and gender fluid blah blah neo faggot isn't something I need. I've been DJing for 10 years and I don't like it when people say I'm a DJ because it describes a tiny fraction of who I am. People are too shallow by and large not to just default to their fuckwit preconceptions about whatever group you're described as. I don't want or need a pronoun but now I fucking have one and frankly I'm not tolerating that bullshit. I don't care what category I fall into. I'm very poor and I already have to fight stigmatising categories. I don't need another. Seriously, fuck off. Pronouns are fucking dumb. How you got time to get invested in that bullshit? Like dude, I think that's privilege and good for you for having it but miss me with that shit.

12:02 no Zarathustra’s Serpent?! I’m incensed!!

I hope Jordan Peterson watches this. It will make him so uncomfortable.

You are chaos, he is order. You are a cute couple.

My boner is incredibly confused right now...

"you're saying we should model our society.... around lobsters"

omfg daddy Peterson!!!!

Out of all politic channel Contra has the highest production quality

So good

i loke your definition of ironism

I never thought one needs to read that many books to understand the breath of Western philosophy and you went an extra mile to somehow read the Map of Meaning. And I didn’t know there is a fight within the left. I thought the left were all are united. Marx vs. identity vs postmodern!! Worst team up ever. Well, I felt like I need to donate to your pateron for reading all those books... I fell away from Jordan when he was not clear on his beliefs against Harris. I guess there are infighting within the right too. I thought you were going to talk about C-16 but surprise that you went for his belief system. I appreciate your help. I learned something even though the solution is not in sight. I just know what it is not. The left has to figure out what they want to be: Marx, postmodern or identity or something else and nothing else.

Alright. You got this unapologetic JBP lover to subscribe. If only to reimagine the bathroom scene as a self-insert fanfic.

I see PM-NM as a catch-all for people possessed with intentions that are primarily destructive of culture--folks who disregard Sturgeon's Law that ninety percent of everything is crap and are perfectly happy doing away with every hard-won and time-tested notion that makes people unlike them happy--heroism, success, tradition, security, merit, artistic beauty, etc. Whether the PM and NM are mutually contradictory doesn't matter; only the goal matters. The implication, unwittingly shared by George Orwell, is that those who fall under that tent--the whole ideological Left, as you pointed out--are driven by jealousy and resentment while also lacking any consideration of one's own role in their state in life. Peterson champions responsibility, which is so often missing from the modern discussion of what to do about social problems--but I'll concede that it certainly isn't the whole picture and that historical oppression exists and needs to be considered accurately.

You're amazing

This channel is fantastic! Contra has set the bar on what to be if you're an SJW type person. Funny, insightful, intelligent, intellectual, and did I say funny? Good stuff.

I don't agree with most of what she says but I will agree that if more SJWs were like her and actually had conversations with those they disagree with, it would be more productive.

I call her Miss Peterson. She said that shouldn't be a problem.?.

So within two minutes of your video you say you're not into reason and truth? Hmmmmmm..... You're an idiot and I'm already done listening to what you have to say.

Yeah, you're welcome. If you didn't turn it off at "reason and truth aren't really things I'm 'into'" then you're likely as confused as this creature in the dress.

thanks for the input on the entire video you didn't watch? lmao

That Sargon self-pwn tho... Michel Faux-Coo

This was the last place I'd think I'd find a solid/well-thought argument counter to someone like JP. And I actually like/sort of follow the guy! Good stuff ContraPoints. Earned that subscribble,

Holy shit you're make up is so amazing in this video!!

Gotta get me that bisexual manicure... BUT HOW WILL I PLAY MY GUITAR???

We must defend post modernity against the neo over intellectualism of SJW´s like Peterson.

This was a great analysis. Not only was it informative, but it was amusing, too. Regarding "PoMo Neo-Marxism vs. The West" I think you missed the mark a bit. When people talk about "The West" they talk about the ideas that they value, given them by their ancestors. Free Market, and Free Speech the most important of those, I might say. These values are DEFINITELY under attack. I think it's more complicated than just "Neo-Marxists did it!" But Marxist thinking and Critical Theory are definitely elements at play.

Comrade Contra A.K.A. La Contra is at it again!

I can't watch your videos. You look too damn good.

spot on

David Brooks called him, queue hysterical laughter.

Damn. That was beautiful.

First, to get things straight. Are you really suggesting that Communists (academic or otherwise) actually weren't plotting to destroy the West? I mean, does the Cold War mean nothing? I suppose you could argue that its all the West's fault that we couldn't let the Communists live their peaceful existence, but for some reason I don't think that's a complete story. Sorry if that seems like a strawman, but I just genuinely don't see how you can possibly think that Communists weren't trying to destroy the West. It isn't like the Soviet Union actually thought that it could coexist peacefully with nations with "free markets." I just don't understand why thinking that Communists have been (are) trying to destroy the West makes you a fascist/nazi. I would go into how terrible the DPRK is (or how bad the USSR was), but I'm sure that will be met with 95 theses against the West. Look, I agree that talking about "Postmodern neoMarxism" is inflammatory, but do you think you're not being inflammatory by suggesting that Peterson is employing "fascist" tactics? Its hard to know where to go from there. As usual, you enlist the typical "Postmodernism is opposed to Marxism" and vice versa sort of argument. This is true, but only to a point. The sad thing is that I think you're actually aware of this. For example, its not like the Postmodernists like the current status quo, and you're absolutely correct that they just want to "deconstruct" everything. You also admit that they just see shifting terminology/vocabulary as a shift in power. So from that it makes complete sense why Postmodernists would be (neo? whatever the hell this prefix means)Marxists, at least in the sense that its just a tool to cause chaos (i.e. deconstruct what we "think" we know). That doesn't mean that Postmodernists would like marxism, but instead that they see Marxism as a tool. So if you were going to accuse Peterson of anything here, I would actually argue that his most damning criticism is that he's actually a bit of a postmodernist himself. I actually think that's true, and I hope one day to ask him about it. Also, I find it highly interesting about the "sarcastic" conversation. Was it sarcastic because you were actually admitting that progressive politics takes the place of "purpose" in people's lives? Watching your videos, I really think that your "progressive politics" is really important to you, and it drives you to act. I don't know, it really sounded to me that you are reinforcing Peterson's point here. You can sit there and say that you don't think your life has any purpose, but you're certainly not acting that way. If you only did youtube videos for the reasons that you said, you wouldn't be exclusively making political videos. By the way, are you really suggesting that transgenderism isn't about "deconstructing" gender norms? Is it really that much of a stretch to suggest that "you can become the opposite gender" is attacking how we understand gender? I'm really confused about your question, because its almost like you don't listen to yourself speak. You have an entire channel about this sort of thing. As to the "abolition of hierarchies," I simply don't believe this statement. Its right here in the communist manifesto: "The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions." Now, you might argue that they'll set up "new" social conditions, but a) why on earth would those be any better? and b) if you've thrown out all social conditions, then you have no social conditions to create. You can't just make social conditions out of nothing. I really think, quite literally, at least for Marx, his end goal was some sort of communal anarchy absent power. The way he talks about people who aren't on board with communism, for example, is almost like they're an ancient people. Its almost like he thinks that the communist is "enlightened" (which makes sense, because he's working from the Hegelian Dialectic) and the people who don't get it will wither and die, leaving only like minded spartan people minus the spartan spirit. But maybe you're right. Maybe anarchy does mean that there is a rule. Kinda goes against the name, but ohwell. Honestly, I kinda hesitate to even post this. It seems like, to me, that you haven't even tried to engage with these ideas. I will agree that Jordan Peterson is just like yo, but on the other side. He's certainly a political figure. He's certainly says controversial and interesting points of thought. However, I kinda get the sense that you're not very self aware about what you are. I kinda get the sense that you think that you're actually not trying to do the things JP is saying tha you are, when--especially in this video--you do them over and over all the while denying that you do those things. In most of your videos, I would have taken that comment about Freud to be a joke, for example; but in this video (especially the bathtub dialogue) you seem to deny that you want to, say undermine gender norms ALL THE WHILE BEING A WOMAN WHO WAS ONCE A MAN. How can you possibly sit there and say with a straight face that you aren't interested in destroying the current cultural values? I guess you do that by just throwing your hands up in the air saying "what are the current cultural values anyway?" To which I say, bullshit. You act on values, I act on values. Everyone acts on values. To borrow a phrase from Nagel "you don't have to know the origins of the universe to know you want an asprin when you have a headache." This video is just really frustrating to me, because I get the sense that you're actually really angry about all this. It seems to me that you're so angry that you've decided to block out what you really think about this only to hide in epistemic skepticism so you don't have to say what you really think. I simply don't believe that you've shared your actual opinions here. The reason being is that even the videos that I disagree with vehemently are delightfully provocative. But here, I'm just left thinking what the hell you are actually trying to say.

Knocked it out of the park, great job!! ...and you didn't even dig into the tastiest lobster claw of all: JP's Christian apologetics; wherein the postmodernist hater deconstructs the concepts of truth and objectivity on a subatomic level.

Non postmodern feminists can suck my queer penis

well done Main point: Marxism— grand narrative post modernism— rejects marxism in many ways and grand narratives in general

Im a big fan of Petersons , But I think I found the devil to sit on my left shoulder. Subscribed.

was that a weed plant

This is the best YouTube video ever

I have learned alot from JP and alot from ContraPoints! Tis possible to do both my friends. Most important lesson I have taken from JP, do not give in to the negative aspects of Tribalism that exudes from the extreme right and left, be your own person. Take responsibility so you can make your life and the lives of the people around you better. Make your self strong so you can lend that strength to others. Peace and Love good people.

26:10 Fucking awesome reference!

very well made!~

I don't think you tackled the topic well enough.

as soon as she snorted her pinky I subscribed


I'm so happy you have made this video response. I saw JP's BigThink video and I agree, he's an articulate man who denounces white supremacy, but he's got some issues in his arguments, and I love seeing you lecture about him!


This was a very informative and entertaining video. Thank you

Splendid vid! Thanks yo

My purpose (as a Discordian) Is to weaken and disorder all forms of order. Stronger Orders make for stronger disorderers.

love how you structured your video. Very cool.

I stumbled upon this video. It’s hilarious and so well done. I saw a video of him saying he wouldn’t support gay marriage if it were supported by Neo-Marxist. Like I’m sure gay couple have a picture of Marx next to their pictures of Judy Garland. But yeah, it’s okay to deny human rights solely based on his personal dislike for support from a small segment of society. How prevalent does Peterson think Neo-Marxism is today?I know plenty of conservatives but not one Marxist! This is just a straw man in order to give his ideas a sense of immediacy.

Watch one video on anime traps and suddenly Facebook starts recommending me shitty leftist propaganda...

Any summary of Peterson's work that does not address: the Perato distribution, evolutionary pragmatism, and a biological model for the emergence of ethics is an oversimplification. A straw man. I think you know that. I think your deliberately avoiding these things. The left will never properly address Peterson's criticisms until they start engaging honestly with his arguments instead of trying to generate excuses to dismiss him. You came closer than most. I like watching your videos but, I wish they were as insightful as they are entertaining. Also I would like to see you address the work of Steven Hicks. I think that might make Peterson's "postmodern neo Marxism" look like less of a "cluster fuck".

Very good video. I haven't found many entertaining and intellectually stimulating leftist (or rather, not right-leaning) channels. Good points are made. Easy to sit down and watch and stay focused.

I just can't listen to your voice.

Why are your videos so scary

Wow! This is incredibly hilarious, creative, insightful. Where have you been all my life, ContraPoints!?

It wasn't BBC interview

This video was amazing. Also, in the car today, I was singing "Lobster Queen" but to the tune of "Dancing Queen by ABBA lmao.

You aren’t interested in reason? How are we supposed to have a rational conversation if you aren’t interested in reason?

Is homie here supposed to be discrediting JBP?

I really enjoyed that. I lack much training in philosophy and Western culture because I got an engineering degree, which doesn't make you take much of those types of subjects, but JPs calling identity politics neo-Marxism made no sense to me, so I've been watching things by and about JP for awhile to try to understand better, and this one is Gold.

Big JBP fan, the bathtub scene was my favorite part.

Would you ever speak/debate with him? It would be fantastic! I think the left needs someone that can have dialogue with him and I think you're a great and I think your criticisms are fair for sure. Just stumbled across your channel, subbed!

first thing you said about Peterson was a strawman. video over

You got some of the best political content on YouTube but legit all your jokes are about gender and sexuality

I've been subbed to you for years, and I have to admit I haven't really been watching the last year or so but damn! You've really stepped up your game. Well done!

I love all free expression unless it expresses distaste of my own expression... Believe me, that makes perfect sense. Now enjoy this video of my lies while I pretend my body didn't naturally produce a male genitalia. It's ok because this is my expression. Just remember that if you don't like my expression your expressionary reaction is the problem and allows me to belittle your expression en masse. Don't mind that less than 0.0001% of Earth's total population is transgendered, it's most certainly normal enough to be considered natural. This is art, not delusion. You are rude and bigoted if you disagree...

Screen captured in case you delete for further ridicule...

Something something Kermit joke

Postmodernist points are being used as an (illogical) excuse for Marxism, the people who are doing so are contradicting themselves and I believe that's the point. They say, you can't possibly know the truth while simultaneously saying the 'oppressed' or 'harassed' person is right. Yes, postmodern Neo-Marxism is an illogical name for an illogical group.

Omg I love this channel now!

Fuck off

This is a deeply disturbing display of borderline personality disorder.

You’re so weird, I think I’m in love with you

Actually this was too weird

I disturbingly liked your video (mostly because of the sex-doll), even as a self-reportedly Peterson-fan, but I would like to hear your thoughts on this; it seems most of the disagreements/polarization is against the extremes of the opposite position. For instance; Marxism isn't only defined by it's grand narrative that postmodernism denies. It's also defined by seeing a power-struggle as classification between groups, which is a postmodern (at least today) concept. And while postmodernism asks legitimate questions about common sense/the grand narrative, it's also provided answers with a certainty the theory itself disavows. Perhaps you'd be willing to consider this article and the ones it links to:

Goddamn if you're not sexy as hell

Liked for you putting 2:42 together. High-quality video shitposting.

I don't think you understood his points about hierarchies. Hes not justifying or defending them, he wants ppl to understand them better - to stop blaming capitalism or the patriarchy for the negative effects of a natural dynamic which is 3.5 billion year old.

Cultural Marxism isn't a conspiracy theory, its reality:

The only reason why this moron got "popular" was due to his misrepresentation of history and Bill C-16. his debate with Matt dillahunty really shows his stupidity

Do you think Peterson wants his 12 rules to be enshrined in law? You compare Peterson writing a book of guidelines with changing the actual law in Canada to compel people to use "trans" people's pronouns. Do you see the difference between writing a book of ideas that people can use or not use at their discretion vs making laws that compel speech? Do you really not see the connections between neo-Marxists, HR depts, feminists, SJWS, postmodernists, etc? All advocate that there are no differences between sexes or races, and that equality must be enforced by a government. They say both that everyone is equal, but that diversity is good. You say Peterson is contradicting himself in his attacks on these disparate groups, but the contradictions are within the individual ideologies themselves. Why do you act like women should be "equally" represented in government positions? What if fewer women want those jobs? What if fewer women are competent enough to fill those positions? You say Marxism is at odds with postmodernism, but Peterson talks about neo-Marxists, who he says have given up on the class struggle and switched the debate to over your beloved "oppressed people." You exemplify this by bringing up "disadvantaged people" constantly and talking about hierarchies of race, gender and economics. What are the hierarchies of race and gender? Like what does that mean? How are those relevant to any Western nation where equality under the law is ubiquitous? Or do you, like the neo-Marxists and SJWs, want an equal outcome for every race and gender? And you want to abolish the hierarchy of "economics?" What does that mean? How is that not exactly what Peterson is talking about? A hierarchy where the more competent rise to be more economically successful is inevitable unless you have a neo-Marxist totalitarian state which prevents the rise of the competent. Requesting someone use a pronoun can be seen as individualist - having the government compel people to use whatever pronoun you choose or make up out of thin air, is not individualist and is totalitarian.

we're breaking the lobster ceiling

You missed the neo in the Marxism. It helps bring it together.

ContraPoints vs JBP debate/interview/talk. Do it. Peterson constantly complains that left doesn't invite him. I trust ContraPoints to handle it much better than Ms. Newman.

But also like why do we have to live under the impression that life is suffering in the first place? I feel like in order to better live a life when discussing philosophy by not starting with the given being that suffering is the default people would be better off. And I’ve been diagnosed with major depression so like... yeah I don’t know.

Can we talk about Pepe Silvia?! I'm dyin' to talk about Pepe Silvia!

Lol jerking off and taking dirty bong rips to this. Looks like i found my trap anime waifu. Imma do a cum tribute to lobster bae now hit me up on twitch

These comments shitting on Peterson are embarrassing...

This was hilarious, well done.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Jordan Peterson. The insight is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of the degeneration of western civilization most of the jokes will go over a typical recipiants head. There's also Jordan's chauvnistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal PhIloSoPhY draws exclusively from psychology literature, Carl Jung for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these ramlbings, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about CULTURAL MARXISM. As a consequence, people who dislike Jordan Peterson truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the self-help in Jordan's existential catchphrase "Clean Your Room!" which itself is a cryptic reference to Molyneux's epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those post-modern simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Petersons genius unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools... how I pity them.

The biological differences between men and women mean we shouldn't expect 50/50 numbers across the board. So when men are more likely to die at work, and women are underrepresented at the extremes of certain fields, we can't infer sexism. The conversation doesn't have to end there though: is there any way to improve the process for sexual crimes which disproportionately affect women (except in the US if you count prison rape)? Should women get lighter sentences for the same crimes and win custody of children more often in divorce? What percentage of female engineers and politicians should we even be aiming for? I don't think JP is shutting down those conversations, and I know that the right-wing position isn't 'you don't deserve justice and equality'. Those are nebulous terms, we just have different definitions. Great video Contra, really made me examine my ideas as usual. You're looking really great, I hope the transition is working out for you

You’re my new fav whatever this is.

As someone who has been accused of being a Petersen fanboy for calling out certain left-leaning youtubers or media outlets for making trash arguments and strawmanning against Petersen, thank you so much for making this video. It is intelligent, well-researched, organized, and really funny. But what's really bothering me is that it isn't people like you who are challenging Petersen in interviews. Instead it's big corporate or govt-funded media like Channel 4, NBC, and Australia's 60 minutes who completely malign him, selectively edit his interviews, and strawman his arguments, while at the same time completely failing to engage and confront his viewpoint in an intelligent way. And I think that's why your average "Petersen fanboy" can be resistant to criticism against him, because they only see it in the form of the dishonesty that always comes from corporate media...who I don't think are friends to the real progressive left either.

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Everything about this video is amazing. How had I not heard of you until now!?!???

I'm a huge fan of dr. Peterson. he's helped me a lot. This is the first coherent argument I've heard against him. I agree with some of the stuff you said and I disagree with most of it. You gave me a lot to think about and for that I thank you.

I was genuinely impressed until you started cutting clips of him speaking down to 3 to 5 words at a time in an effort to misrepresent his point of view. Regardless, it is very refreshing to see an outspoken liberal making a logical and well thought out argument, and doing the research to back it up. The norm today it seems is to go straight for character assassination, and your typical "racist, sexist, homophobe, bigot" buzz word basket of deplorables rant. You seem like the type of person that you could debate with and come out learning some new things and respectfully disagreeing on others (and probably have a few good laughs). Respect.

Fair enough ContraPoints, you kept me watching for the whole 28 minutes. Fantastic and reasonable response to Peterson and for the first time in what seems like a long time, I have changed my view on something. And I'm a stubborn narcissist at the best of times so that means something

Great video as usual Nat :3

Tranny sounds like he has swallowed an unfinished sentence

Well, I stopped watching after you called it a BBC interview. Basic fact checking out of the window, yeah? Not unlike Mr. Peterson, trololo.

Arguably, you make the best content on this godforsaken site.

hold on I think you are philosophically lazy. The problem with Jordan Peterson is not what he says is not true. There are merits to his work that’s why a guy like me likes him indeed. His problems are his definitions of true and his definitions of religiosity. But Let’s take a look at what he actually says about god for example. He says one’s highest value in their life is their god. On the surface, it seems it is Nothing to do With a god as we Know it but Then he continues to attach this to archetypes And evolution and collective subconscious and say any values adopted by the masses will act as a superorganism( a god ) or there is this subjective allegorical superorganism that inhabits all humans or living beings ( a god). sometimes he extends this superorganism or spirit and connects this to personified judgmental future. That’s why he quotes Jung a lot “ people don’t have ideas, ideas have people” There are problems With these claims but let's continue assuming there are archetypes and supper organism, he connects these values to a metaphorical realm which is in fact in his mind is allegorical "realm of potentials" "more real than real". he believes that these values exist in a realm independence of reality. and conscious beings bring these value to reality by speaking the truth or lies or acting out. “He says for example world is not made of matter it is made of what matters “ With these definitions yes we all believe in a god. And this god, in fact, has some sort of self -awareness because we humans claim that we are self-conscious For example. His says ” rage hunger ..or even sex-drive is a god ” now let's talk about flaws in his views; 1. why "this god" should be Christian god? (flawed) 2. He connects this highest value or god or superorganism to meanings and claims there is this meaning realm Which is an allegory realm that exists beyond reality. he tries to prove this allegorical realm with " mushrooms LSD or existence of mystical experience". (flawed) 3. His grand narrative, in fact, coherent and all-encompassing "true" but it is totalitarian in nature so assuming he is correct. there is no need for a new story or narrative since we already figured it out in biblical stories. (flawed)

It is a pretty good video. However failure to recognise however unlikely postmodernist neo-marxist alliance is just lack of observation. Yes they might be disagreeing and have a lot of differences but a common arch enemy is very uniting.

That wasn't the BBC... it was channel 4.

I was disappointed by this. Peterson is much more of a straightforward fraud than contrapoints implies in this video. He's essentially a fake academic: he has no formal credentials in politics at beyond undergraduate level and little prior to that. His lectures are absolutely terrible conspiracy theory horseshit with no sourcing: he's like a pretentious Alex Jones. I'm guessing contrapoints was using socratic yes-yes method to pull over Peterson's fans, but I felt a tougher line would have been more appropriate with someone who is up there with lizards-are-our-masters lunatics.

Progressivism is cancer

By calling someone a racist, and then immediately saying that person is Scottish as its a negative- is racist.... hahahahaha, this is ridiculous. I'm glad I watched this video with an open mind, because the contradictions and haphazard, shallow analysis of philosophy make this a hilarious parody of intellectualism (typical modern day leftism).

Pathetic view numbers, you wouldn't even be worth Jordan Peterson's time to debate.

peterson fan here. thanks for taking the subject seriously and summing up all the parts of daddy peterson i'm _not_ so keen on, it really helps. i've been recommended your channel before but never clicked a video as i was too afraid you'd be not-so-good and put me off the left even more (i'm originally a leftist but disillusioned) so i'm happy to discover you're actually both sane and hilarious, haha, definitely subbing to get a leftist voice of reason in my life as well.

I'm a big fan of Professor Peterson, really enjoyed this video. It can be difficult to find critical responses to him that are.. well.. reasonable. I'm wary of any one-sided influence, so do really appreciate having a counter perspective on things. I think some of what you said has been explained to some extent by Peterson himself, notably the apparent rift between post-modernism and marxism. You made good points without attempts at misrepresenting JBP, so again, much appreciated from this Peterson follower. Ty.

Well, the discrepancy between JP's views on the modern left, the activists, his definition of postmodern neo-marxism and all that and the reality of the situation isn't nearly as wide as you make it seem, in my experience. Also, I was under the impression that at the core of *that* postmodern neo-marxism were the collectivist ideas that place emphasis on group identity at the expense of individual identiy, which is what he primarily advocates against. Many popular views nowadays seem to portray this exact ideological consideration of the world, which resembles Marxism in the sense that it always attempts to put forth a narrative of "X group vs Y group", and in the years prior to Jordan's ascension into Daddy-hood such views dominated both the political discussion and, perforce, the corporate policies of most major businessess, as well as legislation, as seen with Canada's infamous bill C-16. Jordan's popularity, and the reasonable, well-adjusted, non-hysterical or toxic part of his following (which is a far greater percentage than the media would have you think, again in my experience) is merely the due kickback to this global ideological trend. I can't make the claim that every proponent of *these particular* leftist views is consciously out to establish an authoritarian communist dystopia, but to my understanding, neither does Jordan. Power is not typically the individual activist's motivation, but rather the inadvertent yet inevitable conclusion of their kind and altruistic (at face value) philosophy should it come to prevail, as was observed all throughout the 20th century. Those are my interpretations of JP's arguments, and based on those, I do very much support what he has to say. I'm not up to speed with the literature on political theories, of course, so I can't comment on the accuracy of his terms, but on a practical level I can recognize the issues he points to as real and see the sense and utility in most of the solutions he proposes, or at the very least appreciate the existing need for such solutions to be found, which itself goes a long way. I really, really enjoyed this video, and am relieved to see that the mindless JP horde (which is sadly very much a real thing, if all these Peterson DESTROYS!!!1!!11!1 compilations here on YouTube are anything to go by) has not found its way to your comment section, at least not as of yet. You are massively charismatic, your video formula is hilarious and, most importantly, you stand as a testament to how a trans person can be this "overwhelmingly" queer, own it fully, and at their core remain decent and pleasant to watch and interact with; far more so than those aforementioned, insufferable horde numbskulls.

compound politics hurt my brains.

Have a debate with Jordan Peterson!!!

"So much for the tolerant Jacobins." I freagging died.

Aren't lobsters solitary creatures? Is there a lobster hierarchy at all?

Its a channel 4 interview not a BBC interview. Great vid tho.

A lot of his ideals really do seem to be a Trojan horse to shit on minorities. But he's so sneaky about it that if you try to call him out on it, he can try to portray you as a shrieking irrational SJW. A lot of fascist provocateurs love to troll minorities into getting heated, upset, and defending themselves - then pouncing on them for getting too heated. It's super frustrating.

Hey Natalie, I love your videos! Any change you could do a video about Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens?

What is gender? No self-proclaimed progressive has ever managed to provide me with a coherent, usable definition. If no-one can demonstrate that 'transgenderism' is a meaningful concept, then treating 'transgendered' people (that's the correct conjugation) differently under the law is obviously a terrible idea. Yes, gender eccentrics ought not to be persecuted for their differences, but no, that absolutely should not mean that a person gets to arbitrarily decide which pronouns others use to refer to him. Your ridiculously antiscientific narrative on gender is not helping said eccentrics.

While I could easily define 'psychological projection' and your mistyped version thereof is obviously meaningless, that is a complete red herring and is entirely irrelevant to this argument. You have failed to defend your ridiculously antiscientific ideas and you have conceded. Fuck off and learn to think, you arrogant retard.

John Martin - OK, my turn now. I challenge you to find a 'usable'* definition for *psychological-projection*. If you can, I will choose not to accept/understand it, but will also (arrogantly) claim that you don't understand it. *'usable' as in 'John Martin agrees with it'. At which point ... there is no point.

And no, I do not commit the strawman fallacy. You are unbelievably arrogant and pathetically dim.

I read it understood it. You did not. You've failed to come up with any semblance of a reasonable definition of 'gender' which is not either a synonym for 'biological sex' or the grammatical construct attached thereto. Colour me unsurprised.

John Martin wow, you done gone went from cheeky minx to impossible dullard in one swift straw-man. Please stand up straight. Now click the Oxford Dictionary link I gave you, and then read out to the class the definition of the noun 'gender'

That's the definition of 'gender', yes: a synonym for 'biological sex' and also the attached grammatical construct. But this is not how 'progressives' such as ContraPoints use the term and by this coherent definition, transgenderism is logically impossible. The 'broader range of identities' part is the idiotic part that no-one has managed to properly define. Glad I could explain this to you in simple terms.

John Martin, you cheeky little minx. Do you need 'progressives' to help you use a dictionary or medical textbook? Gender: usage - The word gender has been used since the 14th century as a grammatical term, referring to classes of noun designated as masculine, feminine, or neuter in some languages. The sense denoting biological sex has also been used since the 14th century, but this did not become common until the mid 20th century. Although the words gender and sex are often used interchangeably, they have slightly different connotations; sex tends to refer to biological differences, while gender more often refers to cultural and social differences and sometimes encompasses a broader range of identities than the binary of male and female.

please help me I'm new here But I cannot unsee it

i am. so, so excited to watch this.

is this a girl? or a girlguy? or guy? do y'all know?

Yeah, that is the most important question to be asked after watching this video. I am glad you did not lose sight of what is truly important.

As a eastern european commie lesbian, im not a fan of JP and its really hard to describe why you don't like someone. I don't like his weird mild inconcrete answers. Or the fact that he is rich (don't trust rich people, they fucked someone over to get there). Or the fact that he has narrow set of western values. I don't know he just gives of inflexible middle aged parent vibe.

In my opinion, this is the best video I've seen on these subjects in years.

I really appreciate how well studied you are for this. That in tandem with the level of editing and setup shows how hard you work and i respect that like crazy. I think you may have simplified and in so doing, misrepresented SOME of what Peterson has said, especially his confrontation of Bill C-16. He just said he refused to use compelled speech when it's being enforced by a government but if a student personally asked him then he wouldn't hav e a problem with it. I don't know if he was being honest or not but he seemed candid. Either way, great video. Props

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20:06 "Opposing the social advancement of disadvantaged groups..." Right there, that's the problem many rational thinkers has with the left. That statement alone when framed as it usually is... Advancement vs who? Often the answer is "Against privileged or non disadvantaged groups." 1. You generalize and discriminate to apparently "stop" generalizing and discriminating. 2. You negate any moral authority you had by committing the same act you rail against. (1) How do you know a group is disadvantaged, or one is advantaged? You have to make a sweeping generalizations. Remember *WHY* racism was bad in the first place? People looked at someone, made a broad sweeping generalization about who they were, and acted as if they "knew" about them enough to act on this person they don't personally know at all. (2) You act on this generalized "moral authority", which is racist, sexist or (pick another poison) and because that group in the past committed (again you are making the same mistake) you are right to enact laws, treat them badly, ruin their lives, etc. So if you were "right" to generalize this group in the first place for whatever reasons you had, and then act on it. Then that group who you are acting on, who did the SAME thing with a different shade was acting correctly as well. You NEGATE your own ideal. Welcome to the idiotic cycle of violence. It's a cycle of hypocrisy. To say you need to *ADVANCE* a generalized group of people you consider disadvantaged means you are generalizing like all the racists do! It's not about making anyone "invisible", it's about making the idea that you KNOW all about someone based on a generalized group invisible or not exist. As it should be. People with on their bodies are always invisible and never talked about! It's not that they are invisible, it's that the aspect of them you are trying to highlight PALES in comparison to who they are as an individual person! There's a very good reason ad-hominem is a logical fallacy!

the difference between his 12 rules is that it's not gov. mandated speech, your being very disingenuous.

clean your room

Are you taking testosterone blockers and stradiol?

Yay for someone actually understanding postmodernism for fucking once!

Even though I would say that I generally believe/accept the mentality behind Peterson's teachings (I don't think that's the right word but you get the idea) I tend to find myself in a truly anarcho-libertarian state of mind. I hate government interference into people's lives in any way. And because of this, I think even as a fan one has to see the possibility of truly terrible people taking his words and ideas and perverting them for fascist goals. The flipside of that is that there are a lot of people "SJW's" who are very whiny and that doesn't seem to help the situation either. I guess this is just an example of a slippery slope, And I feel Peterson is more the top of a mountain which can easily slide left or right. I loved this video because it pointed out some obvious fallacies in his work, and even if I wouldn't personally call myself "left" I can easily agree with her points. Be kind to the people who you come in contact with, and respect them. I think this is one of the more thought-provoking videos I have seen in a while. Well done. Much Love!

Marxism is Jewish not Western

You are the fucking patriarchy dipshit. Fucking trannies are so God damn stupid.

You kind of look sexy as a girl. Good job weirdo

I think the attempt to combine post modernism and marxism is related to equating marxism and Leninism. Lenin kept using the term socialism but in reality it was communism and the united states played along at the time because workers having control wss just too naughty to be allowed.

I dont agree with everything you say but good christ this is funny shit

Marxism is workers control production, post modernism seems to be feels are more important than facts.

Neck beards = neards. "Nice neard bro"

Also there is no Carol in HR

Since when was BBC leftist?

Since anything left of Pinochet was declared communist by """""classical liberals"""""

I wish he would watch this.

why are you ceding so much ground to peterson. he's incredibly dumb

"unjust hierarchies" hjahahahahaha if theres a meritocracy you can keep fucking kicking and screaming saying its gender/sexuality/race/weh I couldn't sit through the video.

You realize Jordan Peterson is left-winged... right?

Abraham Lincoln not really. As religion often dictates what people shouldn't do according to moral principles which might impede on a person's liberty.

Religion isn't right-winged, Black. Conservatism/progressivism are both innate in liberalism. You have to be conservative on some issues & progressive on others.

Abraham Lincoln liberals are left winged but it's hard to call Peterson a left winger when he peddles religious conservatism in his lectures. Lol, also believes if you have some moral compass therefore you must be a Christian bullshit he pulled on matt dillahunty.

It's sad that you deny reality, Gage. It's almost as if you're stuck in 1800.

are you fucking joking lmao

So liberals are not left-winged to you. That makes you an extremist.

Abraham Lincoln lol, no.

I think JP is a post -modernist. And full of shit. Just like me. And a threat to progress. Unlike me.

Says corporate HR departments are Marxists, forgets about James Demore getting fired from google for daring to write a scientific paper.

I find myself intellectually turned on. I also find myself aesthetically turned on. Actually I think I'm just turned on. PS: I ship JP and you.

JP's course on personality is great. Maps of Meaning is pretty good. The best thing about it is that it introduced me to Jung, who led me to Richard Tarnas, Jean Gebser, Alfred Whitehead and John David Ebert, which I'd say is the best generalist intellectual on the internet, hands down. JP's politics? They're absolute trash. His whole diatribe against post-structuralism and marxism is taken from Stephen Hicks's book. Talk about being ideologically possessed. Great video! :-)

If being a daddy means I get to listen to Led Zeppelin the sign me up!

"Judeo-Christian" actually has Middle Eastern origins, while neo-Classicism was what inspired the founding fathers. The buildings of that time mimicked Greco Roman architecture and democracy, while not permitted for everyone, was from Athens, Greece. Humans are not lobsters. Even humoring him to discuss animal social behavior, why lobsters? Why not seahorses or corals? There are many different types of animals, with their own hierarchies (including those with alpha females). Years ago someone with religious right ideology argued "Even the birds know." It is fine to ask, "Know what? Which birds? Do you mean sex? So are we discussing hummingbirds, emperor penguins, or cardinals? Or something else?" Hummingbirds are like free love hippies, emperor penguins change partners each mating season, and cardinals remain with one partner for life. If he seems vague, is it so bad to ask specifics?

Wow this video was well done and quite hilarious. I haven't gotten your style up to this point, but now I do. You weren't intellectually dishonest, as you strived for. But I am certain that marxism and postmodernism are not mutually exclusive. You nail the description of postmodernism: an inability to to know what you know and a very reductionist and divisive approach to thinking. Peterson has clearly said before that postmodern neo-marxism is marxism with gender vs. gender and race vs. race instead of class vs. class. If you combine the two, you get a reductionist and relativist approach to race and gender; that it can be endlessly deconstructed and focuses on oppressor versus oppressed (ala Marxism). In short, the exact definition of intersectionality. Postmodern neo-marxism IS intersectionality.

Where's that white dress from? This video is perfection. Subscribed

Do Culture of Critique Next!

I've always been a huge Jordan Peterson fan. This is one of the first videos I've seen that actually brought up some valid criticisms of him. Especially without resorting to personal attacks or anything. It's nice to see people on both sides are still willing to have civil conversation about politics, or anything for that matter, as lately all I've seen are personal attacks. Although one thing that I didn't think really applied to JP here was the note about people requesting pronouns and its relationship to individual liberty. While "requesting" the use of the pronouns does not violate individual liberty, and could be seen as even promoting it, Peterson argued that the legal requirement of using these pronouns is against individual liberty. This "compelled speech" as he calls it was part of the Bill C16 that his grievances with gained him a majority of his initial popularity.

As a devout JBP fan, I can honestly say this is my new favorite youtube channel. Dragon slayed. Treasure found.

A great video. Your opinions on this topic feel fresh and real when compared to some other options on Peterson on both sides of the aisle. You really went down to the language and broke it down more than I personally and I think others care to do. I've agreed with Peterson on these subjects other than self help for a little while but I think that's because he sounded smart and I didn't really look into them. They just felt reasonable. Having real political opinions on things is hard and takes up more thought in the day than I care to give most of the time.

o look....another woman with an "revolutionary", darling.

There is a monumental difference between a voluntary acceptance of the idea's that Peterson puts forth, and having legislation force you to accept ideas, or even make you speak, in ways you find repugnant. This seems to be a distinction you don't see, or if you do, you don't address, why?

tf is this why is it recommended?

Ahh, my favorite YouTube tranny talking my favorite YouTube cultural critic!

The Enlightenment of the Buddha will lead us from capitalist oppression. The West must be quaking in their boots

Conservatism is reactionary... yeah no shit. What a pointless video. The fact that it's reactionary is literally in the name of the ideology.

I love you, you are beautiful. Keep up the amazing work.


Excellent video je suis impressionné une vrai Georges Sand

I consider myself a fan of JP. I really enjoyed this video and will likely check out others. You gave me a lot to think about and I'll be sure to call more of what he said into question. His advice has improved my life recently. I think that's why criticizing him can make some more extreme people so defensive and rude. Keep up the great work and much love from the other side.

I am a big Peterson fan, and it is so refreshing to hear a well-thought and articulate critique on him. Great job!! In-depth research, fantastic explanations, very good arguments, and the bits of humor kept me quite entertained. ya fuckin nailed it!

This is ultimately a fairer look at Peterson than most lefties have given him, albeit a catty one. It’s a very low bar though. The “Cultural Marxism” point is based on a fallacy. If Hitler told me tomorrow that the sky was blue I wouldn’t disagree just to show my contempt. The truth or falsehood of a statement is always the important part. Peterson has not argued for a particularly organized conspiracy either, but that the bias of academia has produced this effect organically. Points taken on lefty infighting, but that doesn’t really militate against what he’s saying. Part of what he’s trying to avoid is the societal decay inherent in all that naval gazing and hair splitting. Regarding civil rights for LGTBQ++++++, he’s consistently advocated for equal rights but no special treatment, true to the “individualist” label he champions. Why don’t you see about getting him on? Maybe after his book tour when he has spare time again? Your points regarding sheep following Peterson due to inability to accept nihilism are interesting, I’m not sure if you’re trying to be edgy or serious. Many other thoughts but probably no one is going to read this anyway. Cheers.

Wtf someone making sense in a video essay I must make it become cancerous. H this comment

I love the proletariyacht

Wtf did I just watch? Lol. Well if you want individualism try changing your name. Everyone having their own personal pronoun makes the language confusing and frustrating.

Definitions as Peterson uses them: Post-modernism: infinite subjective interpretations of the world = we can’t know objective reality and there is no right and wrong. Western values, EG dominant Greco-Roman and Judeo-Christian ethics are now passé at best, often viewed as flatly evil. Resulting values vacuum makes people look for meaning elsewhere. Neo-Marxism: Bedrock ethic is punch up. All humans are categorized roughly into oppressor and oppressed categories (collective identities), mapped onto race / gender / sexual orientation. The only moral good is to work towards equity, which mostly means everyone has equal resources = flatten the hierarchies.

How could someone possibly "disagree with everything" another person has to say? What does that even mean? Much of what ContraPoints has to say are simply facts expressed from a point if view. Is it the facts he's at odds with or the right of another person to their own perspective?

How dare you dissolve my unrealisticly cohesive world view with your awareness of dizzyingly varied perspectives. You biznitch!

The funniest woman in the left is a man LOL

When Contra mentioned Rorty I almost creamed my pants. I fucking love that neoprag sob.

As much as I like Peterson for some of his beliefs that I have found personally helpful, it's pretty clear that he's WAAAAAAAAAAY overrated. It's kind of dissapointing that he isn't more empathetic to leftist viewpoints given how astute and reasonable he otherwise seems to be. It's almost like he's bought into his court of sycophants and that thought makes me sad.

Unfortunately he panders to his audience for money. I remember once he completely destroyed the "men going their own way" movement as pathetic (which for most in their ranks, it certainly is). He got a backlash for that and then completely withdrew. Also he's a hypocrite for denouncing others as ideologues when he obviously has an ideology of his own that he peddles

Great love it! My only criticism... Please change your wallpaper

I don't agree with the vast majority of what you said here, but you're entertaining, bright and fair in your reasoning - subscribed.

great set design!

I don't know how you manage to get 160k views and not get swamped by Peterson acolytes downvoting it.

Checking the comment section they're being surprisingly reasonable compared to the other crowds Contra tackles. She even said on twitter that a lot of JP fans responded positively to the video! A lot of "I'm a JP fan but I enjoyed this and agree he might be overrated/wrong/too dismissive" or "I disagree with most of this but you seem like a rational person." Still another half of faux-eloquent transphobia and insults, though.

Thanks for your thought-provoking video. In the words of Jerri Blank, 'pee on me!' ...Errr... ummmm

Wtf did I just watch? Was it a comedy piece? If so good job cause not much of your arguments make any sense.

this is ahh.... weird!? You do realize the more people talk about him the more popular he gets.

The Cathy Newman interview was Channel 4, not BBC.

What an entertaining video! I was curious when I saw the title specifically on what topic you would critique JP. I find that he can speak for minutes on end without saying a thing. But it’s a testament to your argumentative rigor that you were able to deconstruct him so. Also, and this is totally off topic, but I am impressed by your video work flow. That lobster queen joke invoked the usage of the 18th century sexual deviant costume twenty minutes after it was first presented. It seems you either must switch in and out if these costumes constantly, or just plan your videos in their entirety, and film scenes non-chronologically,which will be woven throughout the video. Anyway, as always I had a good laugh, and learned something new. Thanks!

The one thing i noticed lately is how conservatives have been arguing againts materalism, hedonism and how money is making people evil and spoiled which ironically means they are arguing againts capitalism

Yeah, it's an issue with treating them as individual problems of flawed people instead of a product of vast, unchecked systems.

H'YUGE Jordan Peterson fan here. I've seen many videos of people trying to come with counter-arguments to JP, this is by far the best one. You pointed out some stuff I can't dispute. Good show.

Dem references.

Big JB fan, loved the video.

I'm a big Peterson fan and agree with most of his opinions, but your video was excellent and hilarious, well done!

ContraPoints is the best thing that happen to YT!

I really like Jordan Peterson!

I'm a big fan of Peterson's work, but I think it's important to have reasonable voices of criticism (such as yours here) to challenge his points. (almost didn't watch the vid, because the voice you put on in the first 40 seconds of the vid was so unpleasant to listen to)

This was pretty good, I could have missed it but I don't think when describing postmodern neo-marxism you actually explained NEO-marxism, like you explained Marxism and postmodernism and said there not compatible which is true but I don't think you touched on its neo iteration which is definitely more compatible with postmodernism in comparison to plain old Marxism, still I could be wrong, and just have missed it, and still it doesn't effect the video that much, and still, awesome video, subbed.

This channel is awesome

23:30 to 24:10, way to disprove your own point in 40 seconds or less, you idiot.

entertaining... yes shallow... yes but in all seriousness the lens with which you the content and the person is both skewed and clowdy... LET THEM EAT CAKE

I have just subscribed, thank you. Do not wear black face.

I like Jordan Peterson. But I must say that I actually enjoyed your video and you brought up some very good counter points. Would love to see a debate between you two.

When talking about what Jordan Peterson thinks you never once seem to think that you could be wrong and he could be right, because you hold fundamentally different ideas as true, so when he gives you nothing but true statements you assume he is being disingenuous or is implying something else, instead of taking his points at face value which is why he will always win in a debate with someone like you.. Neo marxist post modernism is any post modern thought built into the marxist framework of oppressor and oppressed. Oppression is alot more complicated than neo marxist post modernists think it is, including you. Oppression has a definition and it is alot more useful than the marxist definition that all neo moarxist post modernists use. Also identity politics is not SJW activism, it's any form of politics BASED ON IDENTITY, this includes fascism and political racism.

Just watch PSA sitch's vid on the cathy newman debate,

Your consumption of the mutilated corpse of a holocaust victim for a cheap joke hurts your message a bit. I think I will just drop another friendly reminder that if you actually care about being opposed to institutionalized oppression you need to stop supporting the perpetual mass rape and murder of animals. I want to like your stuff, but it's hard for me to take seriously moral prescriptions from anyone who doesn't understand why needlessly stabbing an animal to death is wrong. You expect of others to do the right thing by changing their regressive habits, so lead by example and do the right thing yourself. ❤️

25:06 / 28:19 have no idea have transgender people requesting, my problems comes when i am demanded by law to call people certain things.

also women are completely fairly treated in western society if not treated better than average and are over represented in education. ever thought they could be under represented in government because the average differences between men and women mean that they are less inclined to seek out that type of occupation? not possible in your delusion huh? well at least she doesnt completely swear by some of the retardation on either side and it seems like she put effort into the video but "he should have been easier to read if he wanted to be read" is just like oh god really hes hard to read for you what the hell at least you put together a better video than most of the other stuff ive seen of people trying to engage and criticize jordans ideas and they need to be criticized and refined but maybe try again? be a little more intellectually honest this time and maybe read a book or two on economics? pretty please?

You don't like reason or truth... At least you're honest so I can avoid this trash.

you have a poor understanding at best of all the stuff you talked about in this video and even his opinions are misrepresented you should be more careful when trying to make a serious video. also the underlying idea that you think capitalism is still bad for society but you have nothing to compare it to that actually works like good like getting a job under capitalism? yeah if you choose a low demand topic of study sure you think it would be better if we were all just assigned and given jobs? so delusional and you had some reasonable criticisms aswell overall 3/10

the laughable description of identity politics is actually disgusting by the way that kind of disingenuous take makes you hard to take seriously at the start you say they didnt really engage his ideas and then you do the exact same and just give your half read opinion and misinterpretations sigh could have been so good.

Hmmm I probably don't agree with everything you say, but this is a really high quality commentary channel based on this video. The visuals, comedy, and research is all there. You seem to be a leftist who has their life together with the ability to use your brain too, so I might have to subscribe.

can you write a book on how i should live my life?

It's was on Channel 4 not the BBC

Man, the lobster fandom is really getting out of control, isn't it?

I hate you because i 've been meaning to make this video for almost a full year now and you beat me to it... although mine wont be so weird

35 years ago this man said this and they called him crazy. Sorelian revolutionary identity syndicalism ends bad. Xenoestrogens (EDCs) are killing the coral reef.

Great video, Milady! C'est Magnifique!

Also no wonder the good Ol' Marquis de Sade got arrested! Won't be seeing him at the Parisian Salon this week... His ideas were absolutely astonishing!

14:06 you treat the topic of being a transgender female like it's a joke. Hard to take you seriously when you can't even take your fucking self seriously. Clown.

I love Dr.Peterson, and I'd love if he could see this video.

"Societal structures are natural" And being gay/lesbian is also natural, but naaaaaaaaah.

Good criticism, I always thought postmodernism and ID politics were contradictory and ppl believed them both. I didn't realize those are two different leftist groups. However I always thought by neo-Marxist Peterson and others mean the opressor v opressed mentality in general.

when did she start looking like a drag queen?

Wow I think I just fell in love with you.

as a bisexual I indeed agree "degeneracy" is the perfect word to describe me :>

"on the left, we tell people what not to do" which is still thinking that you can tell people what to do or how to think, or else they are inherently a bad person for disagreeing with any aspect of your worldview. the difference is, Jordan Peterson wouldn't call you a deplorable racist sexist bigot transphobic homophobe for not following his life advice. it is there to follow if you want. the left's advice for behavior and life is much less of a prescription like Dr Peterson, but more of a demand lest you want to be branded an evil reincarnation of Hitler.

he doesn't call you that just by simply not following his life advice. he calls you that if you genuinely are one of those people. such as the people who wrote and signed bill C-16 into law, for example

Right, he calls people "Neo Marxist Post Modernists that are destroying Western civilization." That's so much better.

Looks like this tranny needs to clean its room...

I've never been more jealous of a lifeless mannequin in my life.... Ehem! I mean, yeah. Great vid!

I’m a huge fan of Peterson’s lectures and his general advice for individuals but your video really helped address a lot of my questions about his political / ideological rants. I still see some of his ideas about “the left” having both Marxist and postmodern views but this video really cleared up a lot of my confusion on the topic... like you said, I think a lot of the confusion may come from the fact that a lot of the left are arguing amongst themselves, and from the outside it appears to be one collective.. by the way, this video was brilliantly put together, enlightening and fucking hilarious hilarious at times! Great job!

Hey you're not bad! Subscribed ;)

I needed a transgenre in my youtubers list quota...

Fuck you lobsters

Can you please stop using stigmatizing, homophobic and trans-phobic slurs like "degeneracy"? They're otherizing to people who happen to be GSRM, even when you put little hearts around them.

Can you please make a video exposing the OrlandoPulse as a propaganda-stunt? Like Sandyhoax & Parkland PsyOp. Thanks!

wtf is a lobster in this context

I am prone to agree that we shouldn't use "postmodern neo-Marxism" as a catch-all scare word, because Mage the Ascension was fucking awesome and if you disagree it's because you're Technocratic scum. But the division between the intersectional left (which is all about framing those identities you mention as unilaterally oppressed groups that you can stratify along the same lines as you would the bourgeois and the proletariat) and the gender-critical radfems (the ones you guys like to call TERFs) ought to be a clear sign of who is winning. Judith Butler would be an exemplar of the sort of person JP describes as a "postmodern neo-Marxist."

You purposefully miss his ultimate point about identity politics that is the categories in which group identities can be divided in to in the end are endless and the like the Marxists the followers of identity politics put group identity over individual rights and liberty. Also you try to paint his opposition too bill c-16 as trans-phobic where as just recently we have seen how problematic the bills language can be also that it can be used to silence debates and discussions about gender and maybe even race. Seeing as how leftists like to silence any discussion that doesn't support their talking points are you really surprised with the use of this bill in the Lindsy Shepard case. In the end what he is advocating is individual rights instead of group rights. Fair inequality is better than unfair equality.

25:04 made me laugh. You're "requesting" individual pronouns by trying to create legislation that infringes on the liberty of people who don't use your pronouns. Whether or not it constitutes "hate speech" to repeatedly misgender someone, there is certainly a case to be made that it constitutes harassment (at least under Bill C-16).

Probably because Capitalism isn't bad. Marxism is a fantasy.

Hey, you make couple of valid points. However, you missed some. One thing you never mentioned was how Jordan Peterson only cares about pronouns because the Canadian govt. want to make a law that forces people to call those like yourself who are transgender or otherwise their preferred pronouns. The govt. should not try to control speech in any way. Now he never mentioned taking human rights from transgenders. However, that’s what the left what it to seem like. There is a great amount of hypocrisy and hypersensitivity in the democratic side that is driving tree-hugging, freedom-loving hippies like myself who identified as liberal away. For one thing Feminism is supposed to be about womens’ rights. Yet, feminists also support Islam which is a mysogynistic and controlling ideology. If you don’t believe me look up rape gangs in Europe and then check out videos of Speakers’ Corner in England. Lauren Southern asked feminists if they preferred Islam or women’s rights. Only one was able to answer. The rest just acted like children. Liberlism is basically about control themselves. Antifa is a great example of the violence of the left along with the Black Lives Matter movement that promoted black supremacy instead. If any of these movements cared about equal rights they would defend the rights of western citizens despite skin color. Now there are more people of color becoming Republicans and Democrats try to shut them down. Just check out Diamond and Silk or African-American celebrities such as Kanye West. Democrats considered him cool until he started supporting Trump. Candice Owens, who makes great points, is an African-American Republican who got tired of black people playing the race card. If the Democrats and BLM cared about blacks then they should try to deport the illegal Mexicans in California who go into black neighborhoods and shoot them. This comment is way too long so I’ll just stop it here. This video was entertaining but, not the best source of information. God bless.

I think you have a fair shake to peterson and it looks like you gave a shit enough to do some reasearch, which is why I subbed. Though I think I disagree with you on most issues the far left finds most pressing in modern politics. I am not a huge fan of Peterson and while I think his work is somewhat important, it’s mostly due to a lack of others doing the same work. Peterson often degenerates into flowery word salads and Jung-worship. His take on religion is mind numbing and ridiculous, which I’m glad he was more exposed for by Matt Dilahunty. But I support Peterson as so far as he supports a kind of libertarian liberalism and opposition to censorship and identity politics, as well as the growing oppressive nature of political correctness. It seems Contra is one of the few, if not the sole leftist who sees valid criticism of the left’s ideaology and tactics. The purity spirals of a “no true Scotsman” variety. The hyper vigilance in respect to the most minor of possible offenses. I would like to see a conversation between Contra and Peterson. Would be interesting. Though I’m sure Peterson would word salad his way into a jungian psycho analytical blah blah blah bleh blah

Kudos on production quality and the civility but following the logic in this video feels like getting a swirly in Australia. Listening to this is like taking an interesting photo and inverting the colors in photoshop. JBP does not justify injustice due to the existence of hierarchy, that's so absurd you might as well just mime lalalala for 30 minutes. Most of the video is explanation of terms, throw in some sarcasm, sexual innuendo and cutscenes, concede a huge portion of the claims of the right but skip the conclusion.. and then in the tiny fractions of the video where actual "contrapoints" are presented, they are ludicrously inverted yet masked with a tone of reason. It's like following a massive draw by numbers but the last number was on the opposite side of the sheet.

Thank you. This was pretty awesome. I don't have a personal opinion of JP, and when it comes to core values, I do see myself more on the left than on the right. However, over the past years, I have come to be rather frustrated by parts of the left. The level of naivety and dogmatic moralizing as well as the lack of an intelligent long-term strategy and self-awareness has just been depressing. Anyway, your channel and way to approach typical "leftie" topics gives me hope. This is a great way to take a clear political standpoint while at the same time being (self) critical, nuanced and respectful of opposing viewpoints. Plus, great humor, too. Subscribed!

This is so fucking good. First YouTube channel I'll ever donate to. Please keep up the good work.

Nice to see a decent rebuttal to Jordan Peterson.

"On the left we don't tell people what to do". JBP literally became famous because he was told he MUST use a certain pronoun. He refused, not because he gave a shit about the pronoun, but because COMPELLED speech is authoritarian.

Not BBC! Channel 4 interview with Cathy Newman ! But otherwise an interesting video :)

Regency contrapoints (with snuffbox) is probably the best thing I've seen today.

You were fairly close to confronting his ideas... (It was a good video though, and interesting nonetheless)

At the beginning of this video the following claim is made: "[Jordan Peterson] got famous for sounding the alarm about how protecting transgender people under canadian human rights law shall surely lead to stalinism". When and where did he say that? Citation needed.

It’s not about human rights laws, you already have all the same human rights as everyone else, it’s about forcing everyone to call you what you want to be called under the threat of shaming, fines and jail time

Are we going to keep sidestepping the fact that the pronoun issue isn't about "mere requests" to be addressed in a particular way, but rather for refusing to do so becoming a punishable "hate" offence?

haha top hit for Jordan Pee.

I"m a fan of Peterson, but I found this stuff to be some really funny shit! Well Played!

I fucking love it!

Judeo-Christian values, there's an oxymoron if there ever was one.

We need to protect trans people. But I guess we don't have to protect white women and children from Muslim rape gangs all across Europe...

I THINK...... you're gonna end up on the right..

You wish......

When Peterson talks about "Neo-Marxism" he's refering to the application of Marxist philosophy to identity politics. Essentially, neo-marxism is the idea that identity politics can be understood in the context of a war of classes or categories: the privileged (white, cis, heterosexual, men) and the disprivileged (black, women, homosexual, trans...), essentially victimizing the disprivileged while putting the blame or responsibility on the privileged. What Peterson tries to say when he compares them to communist regimes, is that those ideas follow essentially the same pattern and motivations, and can very easily lead to the same place. Postmodern Neo-marxism, in the context he uses it, is the idea of questioning the basis of modern science, philosophy and society, while at the same time trying to offer an explanation to those by the application of Marxist philosophy. For example: STATEMENT: "there are two genders, man and woman" POSTMODERN NEO-MARXIST RESPONSE: "this is false, it is a social construct, gender is actually not a binary state, but instead, we think so because our (patriarchal) society has indoctrinated us into believing it. All children are born genderless but we imprint their gender roles and behaviours onto them when we raise them, there is no such thing as a baby being naturally "male" or "female".

You accuse Jordan Peterson of attacking a straw man in regards to leftist ideology, yet from the very beginning of your video you paint an inaccurate description of Jordan Peterson, particularly with Bill C16. While it is clear that you are ignorant to his message, I can't tell if it is willful ignorance or if you simply missed the point.

"" it is clear that you are ignorant to his message"" What is he your preacher?

My response as someone who supports Peterson is: Peterson mentioned the disparity between Marxism and Postmodernism and how it doesn't make sense that it would work together. But then look who he has to deal with: People who try to argue that there is no difference between genders, who still say there's dozens of them and can't stand being critizised. It's good to know feminists with a brain have found out that you can't make all these claims at the same time, though. I think they are underpresented in a certain political group.

This is too funny. Great arguements too. Subscribed!

I just figured out how to defeat him: Jordan

On the otherhand CP, you are in fact both a trans activist and a Marxist, so Peterson is right on this sample of one.

Good job! It's tough to get around the people who keep thinking that because Peterson says some things that are obviously right then everything he says must be obviously right.

lol, I wrote this comment seconds before hearing you make the point yourself in the video

You know, anytime a girl falls for the bad boy, she accused of having daddy issues. It's usually goes something like "Wow, her dad must have an abusive a-hole that's why she falls for abusive a-hole". Well, that's how exactly how I feel about JP (mostly male) fans, I just can't understand what they see in him other then they must had a Dad who was either abusive or neglectful. Sorry, that's just my honest observation.

deleting comments ya fucking degenerate

I think the importance of JBPs objection to bill C16 is highly dependent on your own experience in academia. Many seem to think that this his notion of cultural Marxism is blown out of proportion if they themselves have not encountered it to the degree that others have. And I would also like to preface that his concern stems primarily from the fact that it's occurring in the very places where we are taught to be open to ideas and expand our own consciousness. Many of his points as he emerged into public sphere really tied together a phenomena that I had noticed, but not been able to properly piece together until he articulated it. One of my favorite art history teachers to ever lecture was accused of racism and nearly fired for showing a clip from a film monologue where a character describes a vacation where he briefly mentioned exotic women. Yet the crux of showing the clip was the delivery itself, as opposed to the content of what he was saying - And the instructor made this very clear before showing the clip. The irony is that the student in my class who had accused him had sat through months of his lectures where he went to great lengths to criticize the fetishizing of other cultures by the west, as well as going out of his way to acknowledge influential black and native figures in art history whom academia had not properly given due. You have seen similar cases to this crop up all over with Brett Weinstein and very recently Lindsey Shepherd. I have friends with their own personal experiences almost identical in structure to mine, and this case with Lindsey Shephard truly indicates how much of this is probably going on (See Jonathan Haidt) and getting swept under the rug. Even in high school, my social studies teacher was utterly bias and constantly argued and in a way that conditioned us to believe communism was the most viable system! To say that I have not seen Marxist ideology leak into all sorts of different academia throughout my life would be a lie - And many who watch Jordan have had similar experience. Peterson's concern is not exactly paranoid, especially when the very foundation of how we communicate and express ourselves is under attack. The point was not that Bill C-16 was going to end society and free speech on it's own, but he was truly concerned it was a stepping stone in a larger and (clearly) developing and biased trend of thought that could allow emotional and reactionary and emotional (Virtuous on the surface) laws like C16 be passed before we as a society adequately discuss what they really mean in a broader political context. He does not think most of the youth and people who act out in this manner are truly following Marxism in a direct manner - He is just pointing out very close ideological overlap in conjunction with postmodernism (Obviously he is using the term postmodern in a different context) I appreciate the willingness to tackle his ideas with some nuance, however I must say I don't understand this love in the comment section for the skits... If they were maybe more connected to the actual content of the discussion and moved things along - it would be much easier and more efficient as a viewer on the opposition to try and unpack your ideas. I will take a wild guess and assume you admire the works of Refn and John waters, but those aesthetics fit more snugly the content of what they are trying to explore and discuss in their films - But you do you I guess... Also, it's clear that Jordan has a vocal minority of preachy and unbearable worshipers who should rightfully be detested - but I think most reasonable people who find Jordan Peterson insightful in any manor acknowledge that he does not necessarily say anything new, but he provides new context and life to basic things that we already know understand but have not had reaffirmed in a long time. This to me is a quality that most great art has, and Jordan with his eloquence, clear attempts to get at the heart of truth (regardless if misguided at times) and delivery is certainly a component of his recent explosion in popularity. Jordan is an absolutely brilliant speaker and communicator - Much like Sam Harris and other quote on quote "Celebrity intellectual" types who rise to popularity. Even Sam Harris has acknowledged JBP immense verbal IQ. Yet he gets accused of being vague because he manages to breakdown very complex topics for a wide audience, however I don't think this can always be successfully done without slip ups or reduction in cases like "Cultural Marxism" or postmodernism. My final criticisms of him would be that In his debate with Sam Harris, he was utterly dismantled. Second, is that It's clear "12 Rules for life" is a distilled "Maps of meaning" without nearly as many interesting concepts, ideas, or well defended arguments. Third, I the have always found his reluctance to admit the stupidity and overall destructive nature of organized religion, as well as his blatant over interpretations and analysis of direct, clearly non metaphorical biblical passages both irritating and misguided. Still that still does not prevent from thinking he is an incredibly interesting thinker who has a plenty of ideas to consider that are starting conversations and discussions.

Very informative and enlightening video. I feel connected with a lot of things Jordan Peterson has said, like the fact that in nature certain gender-based hierarchies seem to be inevitable for example the female-based hierarchies in Hyenas and Bees and his example of the hierarchies in Lobsters, and helps us understand the human hierarchical default and tribalistic tendencies in human nature. It would be a step in the right direction to overpower and overwrite our tribalist behaviours we often times don't have control over. That is something I want to experience within my lifetime. More so, because I myself am of Arabian descent and both my parents are immigrants, what was mostly the reason why I got bullied in a mostly white school. A great example of where the "weaker of mind" children access the tribal nature more easily because of group think. But how far can we go in correcting our human nature, and more importantly how long will it last before everything we have worked so hard to achieve in correcting this nature before it goes full-circle and we repeat our history? I think Jordan Peterson and many other intellectuals need to keep producing these perspectives, so we can engage in a true and honest conversation that in time will lead to a better understanding of society, and will benefit a multi-cultural world in general. Thanks for making this video, it gives me alot to think about. And I subbed to your channel in anticipation for what's to come next ;).


He didn’t bring civil and lgbtq issues into this. They were coopted by the activists he takes issue with. Like the vids, u got fab girl flash. Being cool n funny doesn’t make you right dohhh:)

the Canadian law doesn't protect trans people, it criminalizes any misgendering of them regardless of intent, the wording of the law is vague and nebulous... and you believe such a law will bring about the acceptance and integration you hope for? lol sounds like the logic of peace thru segregation, and that worked out so well... btw Marx was a douche and his ideas have killed over a billion people in their time on earth, what a dude to stick up for lol

Loved this video. Your production is top notch and hilarious. I do have a critique on a couple of things though. I don’t think you understand what Jordan Peterson means by post modern neo-marxism. He is describing the post modernist push to use the state, corporate rules or employee codes of conduct to institute speech codes and hate speech laws. As well as special protections for certain exclusive classes if people. These are policies that he sees as Marxist in nature. I think its valid to view authoritarian push of post modernists as Marxist especially when when the authoritarian policies they are pushing violate the free thought or speech of others. Also what you are saying is his definition what the west is off. He isn’t talking about ALL western philosophy. He talking about philosophy and culture that have been the normative guiding force behind western civilization. Which would not include post modernism.

WHat? an actual reasonable criticism of JBP? as a jbp fan, I cannot accept this

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I can understand the appeal Jordan Peterson l must say some of his psychological insights interesting and lecturers are interstings by I disagree since I'm not as traditionalist as he is and I'm not that fond of religion. But I'll admit some his fans act a bit much and get a bit anti- leftist. But I most say love the video Contra points keep it up. Also it was British channel called Channel 4

I'd probably fuck Contra

I loved every minute of this. I love your videos!! You are so beautiful

2:02 - It wasn't a BBC interview, it was a Channel 4 interview.

I'd like to know what he said at 7:22 to completely enchant Rubin and Shapiro. They both laugh, Dave turns towards him then they both unknowingly lean towards Peterson simultaneously as if that will get them some more of his sweet wisdoms. It's kind of creepy and it's a perfectly chosen snippet to represent that ocnversation.

You've got sanpaku. Just something I keep noticing.

Thanks for the calm video that wasn't chock full of personal attacks like so many people only deal in. So, I find your criticisms interesting, though I think the biggest flaw in your argument is quibbling over definitions. This is something that also happens too much, as our vocabulary is too limited to describe exactly what group of people/ideas we have in mind. So, the question is, what does Peterson actually mean by postmodernism? I think it's unfair to say he's overgeneralizing when the term itself is self-refuting. Is it absolutely true that truth can't be known? Nobody, literally nobody, is actually a postmodernist. Unless theyre suicidal, nobody is going to question the truth of the premise "if i walk out in front of that bus, it will probably kill me." Now figure out how to use a self-refuting term to generalize a bunch of people. Still, who he has in mind is most important. Even if he were using the terms incorrectly, the key is not the term used but the group in question. Now, I would also disagree that postmodernism as you defined it makes up only a portion of the Left. But I'll grant your point for sake of argument. Peterson is concerned with the fact that the postmodern form of Leftism has the power to actually get what it wants politically, and the horrors that will bring down on the world. The same folks who are postmodernists, as you've defined it, are the same folks who are moral relativist by extension (I can't judge another culture's practices, even if they're Nazis), whose only creed is political change without end, and so on. Their philosophy is assumed on some level among most groups in society (there are tons of Christian relativists, for example). I'm a teacher, and I have debates on a variety of subjects in my classes. One of the things that perhaps 75% of my students say is that they can't judge whay someone else does, no matter how awful. And I live in a very conservative area! That attitude has gotten more common in my seven years of teaching, too. And this attitude is a direct threat to our existence as humans, as is postmodernism as you've defined it. That philosophy leaves wide open the gates for totalitarianism, which I think is the crux of what Peterson has criticized it for. I mean, why not have a dictator if it's not appropriate for you to judge what someone else does? This is turning into a rant. I know you have tons of comments, but if you'd like to respond and discuss, I would be happy to talk to you. :)

Mhin'qa take your racist and disgusting nonsense elsewhere. Reported.

brennen spice huh?

"Someone has to whip the neckbeards into shape I guess..." Really?

You're just laying down those identity politics! Have u tried sitting with your back straight? Now there's a solution to societal problems that we can stand behind!

Great Job! When are you going to be on Bill Mahr?

Unequal outcomes are not direct evidence of injustice. To say that Peterson ~implies~ unjust hierarchies are legitimate is intellectually dishonest, or you infer that simply because you do think unequal outcomes ARE evidence of injustice. Equality of Opportunity VS Equality of Outcome. What do you think is more important with regard to social justice?

psychologists are mostly cops...peering inside with their torches

Did you seriously just fucking try to normalize smoking pcp?

Peterson doesn't self identify as a conservative. Stop forcing your labels on him.

Calling yourself something, and then doing everything that is antithetical to being that thing, kinda puts that "label" into question.

He's repeatedly said he's a liberal. Have you watched any of his unedited interviews?

He absolutely does self identify as a conservative, he just doesn't say so.

Watch Jordan Perterson for yourself. Make up your own mind. Don't listen to oversimplified misrepresentations.

I left a comment earlier saying that he identified as a liberal and I find it hypocritical to for Contrapoints to force her labels on him. Someone responded by telling me that "she literally said that in the video". I deleted the comment rather than watching the whole half hour over again. I regret that now. When does she say that? After implying that he and all his followers are alt-right for 30 mins?

Well despite the creepy drag queen coming onto a mannequin thing, this is the only good critique of Peterson I've heard. You actually have listened to the guy, unlike other people seem to want to hate him just cuz. Your wrong on that one thing that everyone trips up on though. He doesn't give a shit about who wants what pronoun used. People can work than out between themselves he says. The point is the Canadian government forcing the use of words(as he sees it). It's not the same as "I don't want to because I don't like it". Your "girl" voice sounds like a Kids in the Hall Character. But it's sort of fun to see a guy in drag acting snarky and theatrical. The trans-fad going on with the teenagers right now lacks any colour or fun!! I'm sure it's the real deal for some of them, but I'm guessing most will grow up to be boring suburban binary gender married bozos like the bisexual girls who came before....

He never spoke out against trans rights, he spoke out against impelled speech. His whole point is that once you let the government make laws forcing you to say something, where does it stop?

Jordan Peterson identifies as a liberal. He is a leftist. No matter how many times you try and frame him as the opposition, he will still be a liberal.

First of all, he said in interviews that hierarchy exists in nature. His point was that it wasn't created by the patriarchy. Secondly, since when are liberals opposed to hierarchy. That would be news to Trudeau. Clinton too I'd think. Dumb ass.

are you fucking kidding me. He made an entire fucking video supporting hierarchy.

I must say you became my drug. I don't know how I ended up watching this video, but I am now watching everything you made. I found my other me

You know what? I like you. You're not *needlessly* aggressive, you don't talk down to your audience in your video, and you're funny. You present your idea with a personal take, but without giving off the holier than thou vibe I find many left-leaning videos have. Kudos to you, thank you for the video - really good one

I appreciate this comment so much as a Contra fan! Thank you, man:))

I love Jordan Peterson and really love you perspective on him. Also your video was so entertaining and im subbed. But i think the fear of radical leftism is a real concern. The UK is a radical country where not subscribing to political correctness can land you in prison. You can see threats of censorship or the Facebook pages of police in the UK. Also the cases of Alfie Evans and Count Dankula would be huge violations of the Bill of Rights in America and its scary to see that stuff happening and a country so culturally linked to America. However i love how you broke down the postmodernist neo-markxist contradiction and question what really is "the west"

fucking please...the UK political landscape is overwhelmingly conservative. Stop trying to blame the left for things when the UK has had a right-wing government for nearly a decade.

Thank you for being what the left needs right now. Nothing will upset the alt-right more than having a gender queer using arguments and not just “being offended”.

Ex-JP fan here. I was a fan until it became clear he was a really a bit loony when it came to left-wing-conspiracy stuff. Though he rightfully exposes how sexism and racism are cynically exploited by the left, he NEVER speaks about the fact aside from that, sexism and racism are also very REAL problems. Unfortunately almost everyone on the left seems to be too scared or insecure to actually engage on the subject matter, resorting to slander in stead, and therefore they make JPs points seem even stronger. So thank god for this video that faces JP head on, on fair terms, and brilliantly calls him out on his bullshit in a hilarious way.

Postmodern neomarxism as used by Peterson is obviously a loud blanket word, he uses it disregardless of meaning ascribed to both words by postmodern or Marxist intellectuals (who do not agree upon any definition anyway instead caring of developing enough originality to take a sweet spot after inevitable death of Badiou and Lapavitsas). He uses it to describe any political philosophy that cares about social planning or engineering. He might as well used ‘Platonism,’ ‘redistibutionism,’ ‘philosophy of closed society,’ or ‘social engineering,‘ yet ‘Postmodern Neo-Marxism’ sounds much better and irritates precisely right people. While disagreements over vague terms as ‘alienation’ or ‘globalism’ indeed takes place among certain academics, it is quite challenging generally to find a Rawlsean who is unsympathetic either to Marx or to Foucault. In other words, he treats social engineers just as a normal person treats flat earthers, not giving a fuck whether this is a Creationist fundamentalism, visual hallucinationism, esoteric neo-Arian alchemy, or hollow earth theory. Simply call them flat earner loons, it pisses all of them off.

Fair criticism. I still love Peterson. Don't care so much about Peterson the political commentator and he quotes the bible a little too much for my personal taste, he's not an expert on everything nor can anyone be. However, I do believe that as a motivational psychologist, he's second to none. He's somehow managed to cure the existential misery of a large group of young people (myself included) by telling us to stop being whiny little bitches, pull our finger out and just get on with it... And we love him for it. He's a silver-tongued genius.

JORDAN PETERSON DOES NOT claim that trans rights will lead to genocide. He is saying that the underlying doctrine is basically the same as the marxist doctrine that killed over 50 million people in the 20th century. Try wrapping your head round that before you write Peterson off. Ok? Oh yes, and as an indigenous British person STOP APPROPRIATING my British, Georgian culture. Got it? Good!

I shouldn't have smoked before i watched this.

The Cathy Newman interview was Channel 4, not the BBC

I'm worried that people who are into Jordan Peterson will come away thinking that holding a conservative ideology contributes to worldly success, whereas in reality, it's more the case that successful people promote conservative ideologies because doing so safeguards their power. What brings success is hard work and dedication, limited by luck and innate talent. The ideology that drives you to work that hard could be conservatism, but it could also be just about anything else, really. Praying will not bring you money, and neither will conservatism on its own. Meanwhile, as a conservative drone, you would be playing into the hands of the wealthy.

Disliked for giving points to the dumb scammer

Also for slandering Stalin and Mao

Jordan Peterson is not evil and he does not force people to take his words. Your frame of him being evil is just kind of lame. Honestly your entire argument is based on an assumption. That being said, you are entertaining. Even when you are short handing every topic Peterson talks about and exaggerating everything Peterson stands for. Honestly no your argument wasn't that good at all. It was all assumption. At least you are funny though.

Honestly He is just deep down a good person that wants everyone to do well in their personal lives. Attacking Peterson is just not a good idea personally. Shapiro is a much easier target.

The more I think about it, the more it seems like there are only two possibilities: Either Jordan Peterson is a man who constantly regurgitates the rhetoric of fascists and uses a term very specifically and very obviously 'Cultural Marxism' except even more ridiculous in exactly the same context that fascists use 'Cultural Marxism' and he is so utterly unaware of the implications of his own language that he has no idea that he's doing that. _Or_ he's intentionally dogwhistling neo-Nazis. So which is Jordan Peterson? An idiot? Or a fascist?

So the general impression I'm getting from this here is that Jordan Peterson is yet another 'classical liberal' whining about how things are changing and that's bad, except he does it in a really well-spoken manner and says things the alt-right love so they use him as an argument to authority.

So ... it seems postmodern of JP to deconstruct 20th century communist despots in a way that allows comparison to today's "SJWs". Or is he taking apart the modern kids in order to liken them to those murderous thugs like Stalin, thus throwing current motives into question? I think I've got it wrong, because it can't be postmodern to simply argue points with which you disagree; that's old school. Yeesh. I've been watching your channel all day and you've made me think a looooot. Thank you! Like I said, you're very good at this.

So this is Chris Chan? I heard he had tried becoming a woman.... I didn't believe it though

You're very good at this.

Seams you kinda lack self awareness, if everybody needs or appear to need, a "purpose in life" and all those peopleDON'T believe the patriarchy is real, and all those that DO don't need a purpose, maybe, just maybe, you have made fighting the patriarchy your purpose, while you do seam mostly self aware, you seam to fall short in this regard. Though you appear to actually get close.

The consensus seems to be that the lobster gang approves. Great job, Contra. Also, this video is 100x more entertaining than anything Peterson has ever put out.

hands down the best drag queen on the internet!

She's trans

"hello, dave." you killed me

extremely fucking good video. thanx for explaining this justin beterson guy

The bottom line is that Jordan Peterson just isn't all that smart -- he presents arguments that seem, on surface, to make sense, but once you scrape the patina off [ *if* you make the effort to scrape the patina off], you find that it just doesn't hold together -- the main reason for his success is that, though he is not all that smart, there are many many people who are even less smart than he is & so, as things are relative, such people are impressed w/ his "intellect" -- like most people of his sort, he is avid at attacking the a prioris of others, but maintains an unshakable oblivion to the a prioris that he himself holds...

He's a tenured professor at university of Toronto. Formerly taught at Harvard, has written numerous peppers and is highly referenced in his field. He's managed to convince some pretty smart people he's worth hearing out. Even if you don't agree with him, why do you think he is stupid. Some great mind have had some pretty muddled ideas. And I find that if you listen to his whole talk he makes sense, even if I don't agree.

Yeah you are right the enlightenment sucks

can't wait for the inevitable dragging of homestuck into philosophical discussion which may or may not happen while Natalie is making youtube videos. anyway i'm thinking of putting the mask in my icon back on and talking abt politics and going by "leftist rorschach" or something anyway pt 2 this video was great, as are all of your videos and i would die-i'm really glad i watched that video you did with lindsay ellis awhile ago and found your channel through it.

You make the world a worse place.

HI im a not an inteligent person in fact im stupid, and dont care if people insultme for this, but will try to acomodate some way of thinking to the topic at hand. I Think Peterson brings some isightfull and somwhat novel points of view, for what it is an infinite, complex and ever changeing field of discution, thats why his views seems broad. Seriouslly dont think that anyone could say what the heck is happening anymore, so i will not sweet on semantics of what is the correct way of thinking or behaving. Dont know if your points are right but at least they are interesting, somwhat auto indulgent, and i know flawed as petterson's are, but thats not a problem really. usually don't write on this kind of videos cos, let's be honest, dialog is dead and discution dead as well, but I have watch your work, and find something profoundly disturbing... the lack of Latinoamerican Writers on the bookshelf you usually display behind you (if you have some I could not see them). I could recommend some if you like fiction: Borges, Onetti, Quiroga, Lezama Lima, and if you feel a bit brave a good old Jaime Saenz, if you want I can send you one for free just because I want to remediate some First World problems and you look hot on wig. I can only send one though, because im poor, capitalism does not reward readers .

I dishate ContraPoints. I agree with close to 0% of what he says and the skits can be cringy but at least he's out here making arguments with a sense of humor. Most leftist just reee the word "racist" into the void. As wrong as he is about nearly everything, I like listening to his arguments and would beer him and hear his side out. I literally only have one far left friend that is capable of this and that sucks.

As a Peterson fan: great video. One of the most level-headed, thorough, and reasonable responses I have seen. You definitely made an effort to make an interpretation of his broader work and arguments, rather than many critics who lazily focus on one or two dumber things he said in older videos. I think if you and him got a chance to talk he would have a lot of good responses to your criticisms as well, but as it is this is unfortunately one way. Also I fucking love Strangers with Candy.

your videos are getting so good, it's crazy

Can anyone cite any of the clips you used from Peterson in this video please? Just wanna check the context to make sure you aren't trying to push a false narrative.

yr fake voice is ridiculous

Why do you look and sound so retarded?

This comments section is.... Actually very civil. Woah.

I seems to be ideologically opposed to you, but I heard about you from Colin Moriarty and he was right about you. You're awesome. Keep making videos.

Fine, Contra. I’ll subscribe. I had a few misconceptions about you and few major differences, however, your videos are too damn entertaining and informative to resist any longer. Looking forward to the wacky ride. You live in Maryland, yeah?


I disagree with a good chunk of what you said, but it's good to hear from someone who brings a dose of rational thought to the debate. I do think that you oversimplify JP's arguments a bit: I don't argue that there isn't a hint of sinister authoritarianism behind his intentions, but you can't really make the argument that identity politics are in any way a force for good. Whether they are white supremacists or hardcore feminists, forming political blocks on the basis of physical attributes is absurd and incredibly tribal/barbaric, especially when each block accuses the other of ruining the world. Never in history has any good come out of that. Either way you've earned a subscriber.

I was hopeful at the start, she seemed elocuent and smart. But then it just came down to semantics and misrepresenting JPs views...same old.

This was very good. I think Peterson would have a chuckle at a good amount of your barbs. I also don't think he would be too angry discussing your points. Clearly, his frustration has to do with a number of not-so-bright activists who have, for some reason, achieved enough social power to shut down talks, suppress speech, libel, cast threats and a range of other pretty nasty things. Thank god we have someone on the left who is willing to engage ideas honestly and head on. All power to you and yours!

My favorite part is when you bring up the presence of what we call post-modernism in ancient athens and the enlightenment. One of my biggest pest peeves is people identifying "ancient thought" with Plato and Aristotle. Like goddamn, Plato himself made the point that his view was the unpopular one at the time!

How are "Progressive" ideas the unpopular ones? 96% of the MSM is anti-Trump and transgenderism and a bunch of other "post-modern" shit is being pushed as "perfectly normal", and warranting chopping people's dick off and pretending they're the opposite SEX. Real Communists would have used these retarded useful idiot unemployed/Brony/whatever the fuck Antifa and LGBTQAIP++ people and then send them to gulags. Why embrace and push decadence that don't advance society? What good comes out of butt-fucking? In the void of adoption, what good are gay people other than for "progressive" votes before they evidently die of AIDS from one of the 400+ men they fuck in their lifetime. Wake the fuck up. Your ideologies are disgusting, and so are you. You're not a "rebel," you're a faggot, and you feel the need to be control freaks over everyone else's fucking lives. Let there be White ethnostates, let there be Gay-only states, and Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu states. Hell, let there be "Communist" states (because it's never ACTUALLY Communism, the theories always jut "mis-interpreted" to slaughter millions and then never mention how Nazism killing some Jews doesn't amount to the democides done under Communism). But whatever, it doesn't matter anyways. When the dollar collapses and Nigs and Muslims are chimping out in the streets, I'll be ready. How about you, Antifa?

huge peterson fan. Still really enjoyed the video. I mean, I feel like a few nuances of his arguments were purposefully overlooked to suit your criticisms, but this was probably the best criticism out there (and really enjoyable to watch!)

(7:13) Wow, some of those kids are going to land up on Dr Phil for being rebellious.

Loved this! Thanks for all the information you present in your video!

By "West" we mean "What made the West succeed". It is not to mean Western as in the geographical location, but about the axioms that made Western Civilization stand out among the others, and those ARE Judeo-Christianity (only a fool would deny that), Capitalism, and Individualism.

"The West isn't what you think it is, it's specifically the parts that I like most" We don't hold others to this standard. What's crazy is that the best countries in the West (and the world actually) are the ones that explicitly reject all three of those things, makes you think

This was so good! Thank UUU!!!

Though I'm a bucko this is a good video (in spite of the first 10 minutes).

"No one on the Left" = "Everyone else but me"

It was a Channel 4 interview. Fucking great video though. Something something lobsters something

I love JP. I'm just here for the DECOR... I'm so confused. I should probably clean my room...

You are trying really hard, I respect your struggle. You still very much exemplify that void he is talking about. We all know how you gonna end up. Degenerate and Sad.

Progressives are being called Regressives now. So yeah, Progressives' label is scary enough.

17:42 Your definition of identity politics isn't correct. I believe you framed it the way you did because it makes a lot of your arguments stronger. You should make a video on the subject of identity politics. I would like to hear you talk more about why you think this way. How would you differentiate black identity politics from white identity politics given your definition? 21:00 You say there are numerous ways to respond, yet belabor one way of responding, which you would probably agree with, is the wrong way. There are other ways of responding which would enlighten everyone as to what JP thinks by digging deeper into what he thinks. Cathy didn't have tough job. It's simple, ask a person to expand on a belief more and phrase it back to them in a way you think they would agree with while keep digging.

The problem with the left in 2018 is that thing called rabid Leftism. That's a more complete boundary than some specific philosophy, but also more vague. Feminist academia and their raging activists are exhibit one.

A super video, as always. I find the inclusion of academic administrators in the postmodern neo-Marxist bagel quite strange. They were not as receptive as JP would seem to think they should be to (when I was involved with UCU, one of the trade unions for people who work at universities) thinks like gender pay audits, dealing with the gender disparity at the professorial level, and so on. We've also just finished (or finished a chapter, at any rate) of industrial action against the university employers over pensions that saw weeks of strikes. Can I ask - how much of Peterson's thinking do you think is a development or misreading (if I'm being charitable) of Popper's concern about totalitarianism and/or (if I'm not being charitable) of ideas as expressed in Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism?

thank you for not patronizing and instead actually clearly explaining your points

Note "Our Boys" shows Marx and Engels. Labeled as such, undermined your argument defending what Peterson describes as Post Modernism or what is in essence Cultural Marxism as you noted. By aligning yourself with their ideologies. While I can appreciate your methodical, well thought and creative approach to critique, Marxism is ultimately an ideology of theft and coercion. Which is exactly why Peterson speaks against it. Having been entrenched in Academia for a couple decades, he's experienced it first hand. As has anyone truly honest and standing center on these issues will admit. I cannot count how many Professors, Teachers, Speakers and Students I've encountered that espouse as a matter of their education, some degree of Marxism as the answer to Society's ills. This is the impetus for the theory of "Cultural Marxism" because a nation's culture(s), are then effected by people in the right places(College positions, Politicians/legislators, celebrities) push this culture to replace the old. Without understanding that the old culture is still evolving and may voluntarily come around to a more favorable and equitable outlook on it's own. By pushing the "new" culture it appears passive and maybe even evolutionary but in reality it's manipulation because no Society, nor the world as a whole with over 7 billion inhabitants, will agree nor sacrifice their own cultures and identities to appease others. So when Canada tries to make laws that if you misgender someone, you suffer some legal penalty, this is Authoritarianism. It doesn't account for that person's own beliefs of which they have every right limited by acts of violence of course. It doesn't account for the thousands of years of observable science and social structures, despite the truth of a minority of more socially liberal cultures like Native American tribes. Voluntarism is absolutely necessary for any social or political changes to come about without violence or some level of force and even resentment. To some, this is all reminiscent of "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at."(Ayers) as we see Left groups aligning at marches, and political rallies. Maoist concepts of the great leap forward were irrational and horrific as the results proved. Where Peterson gets it right, is that ultimate responsibility is in our Individual hands. For our choices, decisions, etc. As are the repercussions of our choices. Nowhere has Peterson stated that Transgenderism IS fascism or Communism. Instead, he's saying more that the organized effort to Coerce an entire society of people to use words, that a minority of people demand, or even a majority of legislators, is pretty Authoritarian. Going back to my Canada point or as we've seen here in California recently. Particularly when despite their claims, the Science is still out on whether or not for instance the 100+ to 300+ alleged genders exist. As well as the deliberate separation of "Gender" from it's synonym "Sex". Personally, where I'm from(NYC) I've known Trans people since I was a teen in 1980s, and most were wonderful people, all were wrapped in some internal and external struggle for acceptance. Or with depression, substance abuse, prostitution, etc. I sympathize with them, and think that all people should be free to be who, what and where they so desire for whatever their reasons are. Likewise, and I believe this is the crux of Peterson's opinion on the issue, other people shouldn't be forced to sacrifice everything we've been taught both through the sciences and experientially for millennia. Without the 2 main genders, there would be no society for you, nor I to live. As well, all people in a structured society have had to struggle. It's not fair, but like anything it takes time with less force and more freedom of choice even for those who are against your choices. That Marxism demands coercion is a Historical fact, and the tired point "that wasn't real communism" doesn't alter the reality that once you centralize power in the hands of a few, expecting the so called "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" to become a reality, you're kidding yourself. It has never panned out that way because of Marxism's inherent flaws. In essence making it little different than any alleged representative government or more totalitarian governments. All of which require some degree of force to function. In other words, no system is perfect but there are some terrible systems despite the good intentions that paved their roads to hell. Freedom is not just a word but a philosophy. As for Marxists and Identity Politickers at odds, this is true IMHO but not at a significant level. Certainly not when it comes time to vote in candidates, or push a relative issue from a shared agenda. As I've witnessed, again going back to the 80s, through the 90s and into the millennium... Marxists tend to infiltrate Identity political movements. Not necessarily intentional, but as a means to a collective end. Similarly the Civil Rights movement was susceptible to their infiltration with promises of equity and equality. It all appears an attempt at "Group think"(Collectivism) and just because a group thinks a certain way doesn't mean it is the be all end all in thought. In fact, it is the same stance any LGBTQ, is railing against when they're demanding equal treatment and/or anti-bias laws. Collectivism doesn't work involuntarily, because like it's brother Communism, it requires force because no two people will agree on every topic all the time. While Individual Liberty does jive with people "requesting" individual Pronouns, but again and I am repeating myself ad nauseum here I know, NOT THROUGH GOVERNMENT FORCE. There is no Individual Liberty when Government Force gets involved. Individual Liberty is a two way street as noted above. All that said and some of it redundant, I did enjoy your video! No, I've never read Peterson's book, I've only watched his lectures and interviews. No, I've never met him either.

4:38 that's an abvious cut there, he never said that in the real interview.

your make up game is on point!

Good stuff. I don't think Peterson is anywhere near as wrong as you seem to think, but I do think that you made some solid critiques and made a very entertaining video.

Thanks for clearing things up: I am a kind of queer left progressive but relatively laid back person and love daddy, I mean Jordan Peterson too so I was confused. I also know now that although Sargon does make a couple good points, I do hate him very much. I also now fully understand the term reactionary which is helpful. Sometimes I think you are a creature from my imagination but I am not smart enough to dream you up yet, beautiful.

So I'd consider myself someone who likes and identifies with SOME of Jordan Peterson's viewpoints, I am also definitely someone who identifies as from the left of politics. First off, I thought this video was great! (I love your sense of humour, haha!) I don't like how Jordan Peterson allows religion (aka old school identity politics) to seep into his writing. I don't like how he allies himself with other people who are on the right who I don't like - but I don't pay attention to them anyway, so whatever. I don't like how he seems to make up pseudo-academic names for things which are perhaps outside the bounds of his academic forte, as you demonstrated. However, I do think that there are things he says which ring true in society - even if not articulated as well as they could be - and which should be taken seriously if WE wish to be taken seriously. I think Peterson is fundamentally anti-authoritarian and small statist. In his case, he's probably a conservative and so it manifests itself as part of an overall libertarian political stance. I think that that is possibly what he refers to when he claims he is a "classical liberal". I think that this underpins a lot of his controversial opinions, but I think that it is also why so many people identify with him. On the Canadian pronouns issue (for those who don't know, Canada made a law which legally requires people to use certain pronouns), I think he is correct. I (I hope obviously) have no issue with using a pronoun if someone asks (Jordan Peterson has gone on record saying that he also doesn't have a problem with this I believe), but I agree with Peterson that it is dangerous to legally mandate the use of certain words and phrases, and that this is altogether different from banning the use of certain words and phrases, because it sets a scary precedent - it produces a new tool that can be used to legislatively enforce something. For me, and many, it's not about the domain (trans rights and activism), it's about the strategy (legally compelling ordinary people to do or say something or else risk punishment). I think that social pressure should be the tool used to get people on board with pronoun use - not legal means. I don't think Peterson would have engaged with this topic if that was the case. I think that this same pattern is observed in some rhetoric about equality in representation the workplace, for example: my understanding of Peterson's core argument is not that it is a good outcome for women to be less represented in the workplace. Here he has an opinion on the domain (feminist activism) and the strategy (legally compelling companies to enforce ratios based on gender): I believe he simply advocates for an equality of opportunity (I work in the tech sector, and we're DESPERATE for more talent - nobody in my sector who is worth paying attention to cares what gender, race, creed, etc you are), and not an equality of outcome, because the outcome should reflect INDIVIDUAL (not group) interests. And again, we should be really selective about what we choose to force someone to do, as opposed to banning things we can't do in society which is a bit more straightforward I think. To me, this is why he labels certain activist groups as totalitarian: because the strategy they are using is authoritarian and designed to compel against will. This is also why people on the left like myself identify with him - he's talking about fighting against authoritarian ideals which cut across both the left and the right of politics. Spouting racist crap, being nasty to trans people, or not making a cake for a gay couple "because Jesus" is horrible, nasty, and morally wrong. However, making it impossible to see and challenge people who have those opinions is dangerous and a recipe for radicalisation. People need to be called out in public when they do stuff which is socially unacceptable, so that others understand why. The rest of his public persona that I know about is generally less interesting to me. I hope you can tell by the way I've written this comment that I'm not looking to troll or come across as abrasive. I'm not an expert on Peterson, or on social theory or philosophy or politics, but perhaps this comment can help you all understand a little further why people like him (or at least the parts of him that they see!). I welcome all constructive feedback! And in the spirit of free speech, if you want to be an asshole, feel free to do that too, but don't expect me to respond :D

As a fan of Peterson and his work, I just wanted to say not bad. Thought-out and entertaining video. We need more conversation like this.

You had me at PCP :)

Dam! Had me again at Rorty!

Peterson sounds like the new Shapiro.

Gee Nick you really did fall flat on your arse after crackergate.

I am JP fan, and found this to be insightful and extremely entertaining. I can’t quite get there on some of the argumentation, but appreciate the video.

This was a great video and i would love to see anyone try to respond to this you are becoming the idubbbz of the youtube politi-sphere due to your "fuck everything" attitude and hilarious self aware skits while still getting across some cogent points backed by research and i really dig your content for that. and even when we disagree i am still highly entertained. all of these factors lead me to the belief that you require more popularity, and so i subscribed. keep up the great content.

@28:04 very similar thought to mine, although I agree in some things with ContraPoints. Subscribed!

TJ Kirk made a good analysis

Very entertaining video as usual Contra, I have to say one thing though. I rewatched the interview and nowhere does he mention that all hierarchies are natural or acceptable because it's natural. he simply says that it's natural behavior. Your point that the lobster argument is a strawman is pretty much void without specifically mentioning where he says that all hierarchies are okay due to hierarchies being a natural occurrence, which he as far as I'm aware never does.

4:34 was that a cut?

22:40 I think that's actually where Peterson is going with the lobster analogy. Right wingers are essentially aristocrats.

Hey what you have to say is worth listening to and thinking over. But I think you're going to lose a lot of people with your cringy sense of humour. I get that it's kind of your shtick and you do it in all your videos. But if you're going to criticize someone seriously you should probably not spend a good part of your video ridiculing them. Just my two cents. Otherwise, great video and thanks for your insight!!

This is really great. Thanks for making this video.

I'm not a hume fan, and I believe that he is a racist and that's obviously bad. Just like.. it's dumb to equate one idea they have with the rest, no matter how terrible they are. Early philosophers had a lot of good foundational ideas we need to know about, but we simultaneously terrible people. Acknowledge good and the bad and separate them is all I'm saying

you cant trans your gender


This is smart

when will you kill yourself already?

Top notch argument. You TOTALLY destroyed her points. Keep up the good work.

Oh my god look at that list of patrons!

I disagree with most postmodernism yet I have to say you are one of a very very few leftist who is able to articulate your views without overtly emotional and false accusations against those you disagree with.

Can you make a video on the historical sargon of Akkad with the help of Shaun?

Who's mentally ill, You or Jordan Peterson?

The guy who thinks Frozen is propaganda, obviously

I really like Jordan Peterson! I think people on both sides of the isle just need to chill the f out.

@DeoMachina I simply described reality, if that disgusts you then that is a problem you have with reality, not me. Reflect on that and the fact that you are arguing that needlessly stabbing animals to death being wrong isn't a good enough argument to not do it, do you think that sounds like the kinda thing an oppressor might say? Now if you want to bite the bullet on that and admit you are an oppressor, I can't stop you, but I also can't take any complaint about cis-heteronormative-patriarchal oppression or white supremacist capitalist exploitation seriously when you are happy to continue systematically oppressing and exploiting beings weaker than you. Reflect on the fact that you need self-interested motivation like economic and ecological reasons to do the right thing, so how can you expect the "privileged" white man to ever do the right thing if it doesn't benefit him? And why should he if you aren't willing to? Be the change that you wish to see in the world. If not you, who? If not now, when? If you still refuse to do the right thing, you have no grounds to criticise others for their refusal.

Real talk: You have converted 0 people with this rhetoric. And your will continue to put people off veganism forever if you keep this up. The strongest argument vegans have are the economic and ecological ones, so focus on that.

how about now? did you know its illegal to pay women less than men because they are women? women aren't payed less overall for the same job they are payed less because they choose different jobs and because they work less than male full time workers. we aren't talking about if women were treating unfairly in the past we're talking about present day. and also your talking specifically about recent american history completely leaving out the rest of the world were there are places women still aren't allowed to vote and have many rights restricted. there are places they are oppressed but in the west they definitely are not. and yes it is their choice to be a nurse instead of a hydraulics engineer. thats the thing though when they live in a society where they can make a good living doing whatever they want they can choose what makes them happiest and how many hours they are willing to put into a job and still have a life. more men are willing to have no life working for various reasons so on average across all male and females in full time men make more also represent like 93% of workplace deaths if your risking your life you better get payed more or they wouldn't do it. honestly if you come at me with the men and women are the same bs i would be wasting my time so maybe you have a productive response to defend your position with?

About a hundred years ago women weren't allowed to vote And about fifty/sixty years ago they weren't allowed into most workspaces But no, this is DEFINITELY their choice yeah you don't sound deranged at all


Any video that gets Peterson in a bath tub gets a thumbs up from me!

10:14 where's the lie tho?

Lets look at petersons rules for success. 1. my measure of success is positive experience and a lot of it. And I got it! I go through dick after dick, I fuck and swing like crazy, and I am GOOD at it. It's paradise. Taking molly at a fetish party as having three dicks well embedded in me. That's success for me and I WANTED it. Fuck you Professor Peterson. 2. I think critically. I am an intellectual battle cruiser. And thinking makes me virulently atheist, transhumanist, progress driven, societal disruption driven. I am highly influential. Fuck you Professor Peterson. 3. I am literally on government watch lists. No shit here. I am no longer allowed to enter the US. I am far far far from harmless. I don't use violence but I sure as hell will tell you when you need to. When needed I can just as easily dismantle an assault rifle as I can the brain of a religious extremist or some reactionary conservative cunt. Fuck you professor Peterson. 4. Holy shit when I compare myself with what I was and what I become I am PURE JOY. I have succeeded. I had my penis inverted in to a vagina, I got tits, my face melted from this undesirable male-ness into a pretty darn effective femininity, and I LOVE EVERY DAY OF IT. I have completely succeeded, so fuck you Professor Peterson. Suck my dick. 5. Start Small. Hehehehe. Fuck you Professor Peterson. 6. Don't Make Excuses. I fucking don't. Fuck you Professor Peterson. 7. Change myself - I did and I am still changing. Like pure fire. Massively. I fitness sometimes seven days a week, I go to parties obsessively, I dance like someone half my age and I fuck like an angel. I wanted to BE hedonistic and free and I became, so Fuck you Professor Peterson. 8. Toughen Up - Hahahahahahahahahahaha, I did and FUCK YOU Professor Peterson. 9. My winning strategy is changing the world and contributing to the world. I am dedicated, I am a memetic octupus, and the world I and the people like me envision is reall totally not the world you envision, so fuck you Professor Peterson. If my winning strategy succeeds the world as you know and desire it, you confused dark enlightenment idiot, will be swept aside. 10. I am, fuck you professor Peterson. I am and I am NOT what you'd envision you would want a human being to be. Do not call up what you can not put down, old guy, lest you will be drowned in milk.

Beyond subbed

I mean, you totally poured out mothers milk in this video, just wasted it, that mother had to die so you could have your fancy bullshit.

Do yourself a solid and research nutrition science.

It's so hard to get on board with your channel when you still believe in murdering animals.

Good,video, but why did you have to do the animal product thing?

10:05 It's kind of funny that you critisize Peterson for comparing trans-activists to Mao, but in same time think that it's a legit argument to compare Peterson to nazi because he used simmilar words.

22:00 And that's plain false. Some people on left see hierarchy itself as a problem.

When we got to the Atari noises I almost lost my shit, lol.

Great astute video, but slow it down, girl. Too many complex ideas ideas and explanations coming rapid fire. It was hella hard to follow.

fan. tastic.

The carrot was a nice touch ! Courgettes do the job !

You're the best thing since the Big Bang.

Awesome video ! I subscribed immediately !

wow, you're really good! thx

That bit from 2:38-2:48 was fucking amazing not gonna lie.

Evergreen state college , we don't want , that's why.

I would love to see a public debate between JP and you. Yes, you are that good. By the way, Dave would be no match for you. Take on JP and let the good times roll!

I really enjoy Peterson's work. HOWEVER. This was the best, most entertaining, and valid criticism of Peterson Ive watched. Fantastic.

With all this YouTube ad revenue you would think he could get some voice training lmao

Milk cost too much money to be wasting in every video! Lol

No one has demolished Peterson and his repulsive schistosome tribe with more fucking elan! Mazel tov!!!!!!!

As a queer JP fan i think you hit the nail on the head with JP's argument at @23:00 his criticism is from the left IMO. It is a left based critique that the anarchists shifted in ideology to not wanting un-just hierarchies but the "left" has been co-opted by fascist capital forces disguised as the left,-- and now reject all hierarchy. Seriously, i was at a party and some guy was arguing against music theory-- he was not a musician-- but saying that music theory just expresses the western tradition (not true). It's arguments like that where JP is strong i but they enact fascism through a doctrine of equality-- that is not based on equality of argument but on equality of feeling. I think if you want to understand Peterson's direct criticism of Neo-marxim you were spot on with Foucault. But I think it has deeper roots. It is really the French 60's interpretation of power dynamics of Marx. In a simple way, Peterson is a rejection of Marx in the same way that Marx is a rejection of Hegel. JP: Zizek Jewish encyclopedia on Hegel: "His system has been described as "logical idealism." According to him, all that is actual or real is the manifestation of spirit or mind; metaphysics is coincident with logic, which develops the creative self-movement of spirit as a dialectic and necessary process. God is this self-unfolding spirit, and in the course of the selfrealizing, free process of unfolding, creation leaps into being. The world is a development of the principles that form the content of the divine mind." Peterson and Zizek both seem to be arguing for a self defined system that uses Chrsitianity as a symbolic way to kill man's concept of God, and step himself into the power of the super-ego and define his own reality. We cannot do that now, because we do not have the tools of art. Which Zizek and Peterson are both helping to describe. But we need to make our own symbolic meaning structures (Peterson) and not rely on a big other (Zizek.) These are essential points for us on the left. Remember, the bros that he is reaching to are the low hanging fruit we looked beyond. I studied under Coetzee--> Under Derrida. Theory: 1. Peterson has a working class background: Fact. 2. Peterson is well respected in Academia for years until he starts getting Donations from patreon-- which undermines the very funding and power structure of the academic left. 3. JP is using the tools and the language and the knowledge of the left tradition through the Logos in the traditions of: Nietzsche, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Jung, Freud ect. to critique the current state of the left-- to wake up to symbolic reality, and to ditch materialism. 4. The Facade-Left, is not the real left: an egalitarian platform to find the "true ways" through discourse-- yet the Facade-Left (the Vampires Castle) sets it self up to talk about egalitarianism in order to compete to be "the most egalitarian" and sell the most books-- through domination of market through capital--not conversation. 5. Identity politics in this regard is the perfect capitalistic tool against social egalitarianism as it creates the system to subsume the the subject of socialism in an ever fractional set of identities which all need to fight for their specific "equality'" and thus separation and continued otherness, and limits the effectiveness of group organization and identity. 6. Because of the threat that JP is to the fake-left, who is on the capital spectrum selling ideas, The facade left has pigeon whole'd Peterson in an argument about the nature of prescriptive language, which is protecting symbolic reality and naming things, calling him a "transphobe"-- when that is misrepresentation of his arguments in order to discredit him based on Ethos, as he is correct we must find a way to re-create grand narratives-- his point! Some narratives are useful. Mark Fisher wrote in 2013 before killing himself:

Really awesome video. I'm a Peterson fan and this is one of the better criticisms I've seen of him on youtube. My only complaint is that you seem to be conflating Peterson's view of the radical left with his view of the left as a whole. I would agree that sometimes he doesn't make the line so clear, but he has said that the left is necessary and just, actually working to dismantle unjust hierarchies, but he sees the radical left as dangerous and their ideologies as becoming too mainstream.

Personally I am afraid of Jordan Peterson's ideas precisely because they're not new ideas. I'm afraid of the damage that it has already done and will continue to do in the U.S. I'm afraid of the damage that it will do to Ontario, where the University of Toronto is, when people like Doug Ford, who are cut from the same cloth, are elected into power.

My impression is tht Peterson is not opposed to social progress but tht he is very skeptical of ideologies tht claim to have a solution to problems like inequality. He seems to want to approach the problems with more seriousness and consideration for its complexity; to me thts actually evidence for how he *would* genuine like to see progress. And he mentions the lobsters in context to hierarchies, I believe to better explain how difficult it would be to successfully solve the problems tht arise out the hierarchies in society, like inequality, b/c potentially they are very deeply ingrained in us biologically. -a claim tht at this point cannot be proven true or untrue- it’s open question tht he clearly believes is worth asking. As far as I can tell he isn’t making a hard, mater of fact claim but is making an argument for something tht could conceivably be true.. I know it can appear differently tho b/c of the way he speaks but I could be wrong.. Also, I don’t think it is necessary to speculate about what it is he is trying to “imply” by his vagueness. I would rather like to see someone respond to what he is saying with more attention and patience, instead of immediately questioning his underlying motives or what he may be implying. Idk, but I feel like if Newman had done something like tht in her interview w/ Peterson it would have been way more productive. I mean can someone make a case for why it’s necessary to question what he is implying rather than digging deeper in other ways? I would appreciate it lol Ps I’m not a “Jordan Peterson fan “ however I have learned a lot from listening to him, and others like him. But at this point I don’t know exactly how much I agree or disagree with him, still figuring it out

As a hardcore Petersonian, you made some really really good points there.... touche amiga...why don't your bring those to Jackie Jackson's *coughDAvecough* free marketplace of ideas....sooon... Viele Grüße aus Deutschland! Prost !

But what are we to do with the damned centrists?

Bible readings ewwwwwwwwwww

I think that on a small scale, everyone is socialist. My family and I share the same house, the same food and the same money. But when you extrapolate the ideals of socialism to a much larger scale (i.e. the population of an entire country), it becomes nearly impossible to manage and creates footholds to brazen corruption. The reason why it may become hard for everyone deal with government mandated funding is because what I consider important (education), may not necessarily be the same thing for the next family and the family after that. Mean while, the people who control major industries (military, power, oil, agriculture etc.) would invariably remain at the top sort of speak, and this is where corruption would start seeping in, which would consequently foster violence, poverty and a lot of other bad stuff . There are many historical examples of this happening (even here in the US). This is why I agree with capitalism, and the federally mandated equal employment opportunity act brought on by the civil rights act of 1964. Please give this a read and let me know what you think at your earliest convenience. Sincerely.

This was so great

That white outfit at about 10 min in looks great on you! Your hair looked really good too!

"Trans activists aren't Stalin", yeah, no shit Sherlock. An egg isn't a chicken either, but give it time and it'll get there.

Fun fact: Peterson is well aware of the postmodernism/Marxism contradiction. "You don't get to be a postmodernist and a Marxist. You actually technically cannot be both of those things at the same time." - his own words from Joe Rogan Experience #1006, 1:29:50.

Intersectionality has been influenced by poststructuralism including Derrida, and Foucault but also black feminism and standpoint theory mixed with some post-colonial and yes even marxist influence.

I’m a fan of Dr. Peterson, loved his book and I think this is fantastic and I agree with so much of it. You’re brilliant. I hope JP sees this, I think he’d love it. Bravo!

I fux with this, even though I find myself aligned with Petterson and the the right. Well constructed video, with a good bit of entertainment. One thing I do have to ask: What do you attribute your source of cynicism/unhappiness? Do you find that it is your transition that is the cause, or the people that you might perceive to oppose your transition? I see a lot people who are unhappy who are turning to politics (identity or not) to fill some void and find conflict. That latter point is personal to me, because I caught myself picking sides when I was in a depressed state, and this certainly does not just manifest in the left or in the right.

As a Scotsman i am deeply how that cucumber was cut, i mean who needs cucumber sliced that thick?

Something I gather from the comments is people reeeally don't like your point that 'Post Modern Neo Marxism' or whatever vaguely left-ish ideologies they denounce, are Western. I have seen comments such as "Yes, they are western, but they're not what made the West great." Like, just admit that your defense basically amounts to 'I miss the good ol' days' and stop using words like "The West" as a vague concept of greatness to make your ideas more attractive.

Hello, I'm pretty new to your channel and wanted to make a request. Can you make a book collection? I would really like to read what you have in your collection. Because I think you are a smart person and you are doing a great job.

...I think I'm in love

That was a great point about "the West" at the end. "Postmodern Neo-Marxism" is western. It's not about deconstructing western culture, because, as pomo neo-Marxism is part of the west, it can only be an evolution. Therefore, what Peterson (and all these right-wing closet fascists) are defending is the idea that western society should not change, that it should return to when it owned the entire planet as colonial possessions. Peterson's racism exposed! Lol

I tried to pay attention but, got too distracted by how cute you are *_*

Sometimes boys just need a daddy



I'm a Peterson fan but this was really smart and funny with some very solid points. Excellent work, thank you.

Well said. Subbed

Can Cathy Newman just stop letting the trans community down please

Calibri Haha, I feel like now whoever opposes Jordan Peterson will be called a "leftist" by his fans. Then there'll be a video titled "Jordan Peterson DESTROYS leftist blah blah blah". I guess these people probably think that CNN is a leftist propaganda media as well...

安托万米克 when has she ever claimed to be a leftist. Flaming centrist if I've ever seen one! :p

Cathy lets all the leftists down as well. Poor Cathy.

shamelessly dishonest and manipulative, congrats you are a full blown woman now!

It was channel 4 not BBC

I hope Contra reads this. This vid got me to reflect on how I see myself as a feminist. If I’m a post modernist feminist, where even the separation of gender and the idea of womanhood is in itself oppressive, or regular modern feminism, which embrace the idea of “womanhood” in almost a post-post-modernism way to rally together women as a unified cause for change. Because I’m kinda half and half, in terms of how I wish to define myself and want to step forward with my gender identity. Because defining your gender identity as an individual outside of any collective group can feel liberating, but I don’t even know if that’s for me. And my medication, which would give me those desired physical characteristics that are associated with what society categorises as “womanhood”, is something I greatly desire as a form of feeling comfortable in my skin and how I’ve seen myself even at an early age, but then I have to wonder if those feelings about my body should be fed into through transitioning or if they’re remnants of an exclusionary way we define gender in our current patriarchy. AHHHH IT’S TOO COMPLICATED. As Contrapoints would agree: Dysphoria is a fucking bitch. I wish I had your assured voice when you conterpoint Cockbane’s post-modernist TERF rhetoric of “Is that all women are to you?” with “...yeah.”

Grand narrative vs no grand narrative. This may be one way to characterize the divide, and it may be temperamental. Like Sam Harris and Peterson seeing parallel but separate truths. You actually can figure out what Peterson is saying, but it requires significant work, not the least of which is understanding Maps of Meaning. If you are temperamentally like Sam Harris, and see the spiritual dimension of humanity as pure consciousness, then it is irreconcilable with Petersons, which is predicated on evolved Archetypes (imagistic). This is the difference, say, between the the traits of openness and orderliness (potentially, may not quite have that right). It is also the difference between Buddhism and Christianity “roughly speaking” as JBP would say. I hope you get on Rubin. I have advocated for this.

You’re missing one thing - that it is when the pronouns are enforced, required. Not that they exist or are valid, which of course,they are (within the reasonable parameter of being able to function in society without counter-oppression). Enforcement is one of the main issues. I do wish you would be on Rubin. I have advocated for this

DeoMachina If it’s int the bill, and the bill gets passed, it can be enforced. That is a problem. Having a position is one thing, having the power to force others to adopt behaviors based on an ideology is another.

"Enforcement" So, not like what's in the bill then

i don't agree with almost all of the points you've made but bITCH I WAS SCREAMING THROUGHOUT THIS VIDEO YOU'RE HILARIOUS GIRL WOw i subed

You know, the problem here is that you shame your parents with your own behavior. I'm sorry that you have a mental disability but your parents are secretly dying inside because of your behavior. The reason why everyone hates gays is because you seem to not care that your behavior hurts your parents and society in general. This is why I can't support the Left, I honor my ancestors and love society too much.

You have no concept of history, of who your ancestors were or what they did and for what reasons. There's more than 2000 years of history, my guy. But hey, since you seem to be really passionate (albeit ignorant) of history, I'll fill you in on some of the gaps in your knowledge: -People were gay 2000 years ago. We know this, because they wrote it down. -Society as a whole thinks it's shameful? Whose society? Mine doesn't seem to think that. -In ancient times, men died for many reasons. For money, to defend their country, to attack other countries, for revenge, the list goes on. Some ancient Romans and Vikings died trying to enslave my people, should I honour their sacrifice and put myself in chains? No? Should I live how my ancestors lived? By giving up things like technology or writing? Are you doing that? Some of my ancestors put their life on the line for different causes. I have ancestors who fought on different sides of WWII for example. Who do I choose to honour? Can it be both? You have considered none of this. Suffice it to say, 2000 years ago they had more pressing concerns than sodomy. You're disrespecting them to the extreme by using them as a shield for your bigotry. -You're a hypocrite, you're sitting here in complete violation of the way of life of your ancient ancestors. NONE of them sat down and made videos about stock markets, and you think it's okay for you? -As for Christianity, it was forced upon my ancestors by fire and sword. If you want me to respect my ancestors from 2000 years ago, I must necessarily discard Christianity. Of course, this is all white noise for you, you don't give a shit about any of that. You just hate gays, and you're trying to act like it's not compatible with traditionalism.

DeoMachina Go be a degenerate if you want to but don't dare shame me for pointing out that you're a disgrace to society and your family for flaunting your behavior and disrespecting your people. It doesn't matter if you think being gay is okay or not, society as a whole thinks the action is shameful, by creating waves and discarding 2000 years of history, 2000 years of men who fought and died for your right to exist today, you're making a mockery of their sacrifice and for what? To what end? Who are you to say these men's sacrifice should be tossed asside because you want to put your dyck in another man's butthole or you think "gays are oppressed"? Who are you to decide that your ancestors are wrong? Who are you to decide that society is wrong for hating gays? You are nothing but a troublemaker who hates his own people or hates the world and should feel ashamed of yourself if you truly think like this. This is why I would never support a Leftist, they are filled with hatred for their own people, why would I support such a position of misplaced malice? Does the US throw gays off of rooftops like the Muslims do? No. The US has rules though, the US has a society and a way of properly behaving like any other culture on the earth. Leftists hate rules and want to destroy the very foundation of society which keeps our people from killing each other (constantly discarding the rules which governed their ancestors). Again, for what end? To what end do leftists discard Christianity? To what end do leftists hate whites who built the modern world? To what end do leftists serve by being filled with such hatred for their ancestors?

That's the most closeted thing I've read today

I am freezing and this doesn't help me not die.

Thank you for being what the left needs right now. Nothing will upset the alt-right more than having a gender queer use arguments and not just “being offended”.

Ex-JP fan here. I was a fan until it became clear he was a really a bit loony when it came to left-wing-conspiracy stuff. Though he rightfully exposes how sexism and racism are cynically exploited by the left, he NEVER speaks about the fact that aside from that, sexism and racism are also very REAL problems. Unfortunately almost everyone on the left seems to be too scared or insecure to actually engage on the subject matter, resorting to slander in stead, and therefore they make JPs points seem even stronger. So thank god for this video that faces JP head on, on fair terms, and brilliantly calls him out on his bullshit in a hilarious way.

DeoMachina Yeah, that is precisely the reason why I wrote that you might argue with that. Moreover, you may also argue that a philosophy that is completely disinterested in politics (like Wittgetstein’s and most of Schopenhauer’s) exposes an agreement with social status quo. However, philosophy that proposes a plan of having no plan is definitely not claim for social engineering. The latter presumes achievement of certain desired outcome, while plan less philosophy claims that outcome cannot be predicted, let alone engineered.

There's a catch though: Letting society just happen instead of trying to influence it, is still a plan. Just like how free range farming is still farming.

DeoMachina You could argue otherwise, yet there are some (e.g. the whole Anglo-American analytic tradition that is mostly apolitical) and there exist even such the whole appeal of which is in proclaiming futility of social planning and opposing attempts of it. For example, Hayek’s and Mises’ whole shtick was to proclaim that societies are too complicated as entities to be planned out or engineered. See the debates between Hayek and Keynes.

Uh, don't all philosophies care about social planning or engineering?

No. None that I've listened to are quite so explicit about the fact that life isn't all sunshine and rainbows, that you aren't good enough and that most of your problems are your fault. He even attacks the notion of happiness as your motivation. A lot of the self-help and motivation I've come across is highly sugar coated. I think JBP takes a very sincere look at the shitty side of life.

Isn't that like Every motivational speaker ever

So now you are above me? But you're not being high handed or condescending at all.

You haven't challenged anything. You haven't even made a declarative statement. Other than JP isn't that smart.

John Frenette - There are basically two ways that people lower down the intellectual ladder react to those above them -- if someone above them confirms their prejudices, then they think that person is brilliant & hang on that person's every word -- &, if someone above them tells them things they don't want to hear or consider, they say that that person is an elitist, condescending, high-handed fool...

John Frenette - Oh, you were looking for a discussion? Strange, I thought we were having one -- I guess it doesn't count as a discussion if I challenge your precepts -- my bad, dude, my bad -- next time, I'll agree w/ everything you said, so that you can go away w/ your biases confirmed & a big smile on your face! :)

You're a high handed fool.

My phone's auto correct sucks. You seem very close minded and your tone is condescending.

Reuter you seem her close minded and you time is very condescending. I'm not going to copy and paste your own comment for you to point out your hypocrisy. And if your just going to call me stupid using your big fancy vocabulary then this conversation is done. I was looking for a genuine exchange of ideas.

John Frenette - Considering how the Socrates quote is consistent w/ everything else I've been saying, I don't know how you get "sarcasm" out of that -- maybe *you* think Socrates is an "authority", but I do not -- to me, Socrates was a thinker, someone who came up w/ concepts that were, for his time, very much outside the box -- many of the things he said are, from a more evolved perspective, just as ridiculous as the concepts he argued against, but that particular quote is timelessly applicable...

John Frenette -- Did you know that various types of intelligence can be arranged in a spectrum? It's true! You can have very intelligent people [geniuses] on one end, and very unintelligent people [stupid] on the other -- & saying that someone is not "all that smart" simply means that they aren't high on the "genius" end [no matter how much they may think so themselves], but it does not mean that they are way down on the "stupid" end -- do you understand now? Good! & it's just a fact that people who are closer to the "stupid" end can be [unduly] impressed w/ the "intellect" expressed by those above them, even if those above them aren't in actuality particularly smart -- especially if those "intellects" state their beliefs [substantiated or not] w/ unshakable certainty & authority -- I'm sorry that observed reality seems "dismissive' to you -- oh, & if you can point out exactly where I'm doing the same things that Peterson does, I will be very, very surprised -- good luck!

And I agree you should question everything, I'm just saying it's hard to step out of the framework you were born into. It runs deeper than most people are even aware they go.

Reuter I take it that last part was sarcasm , given that Socrates is just another authority.

You said "he is not all that smart." I was just using a shorter way of saying that. Fine, you never said stupid. That was my interpretation of what you said. But you imply something very similar. And you also imply without coming right out and saying it, that anyone who agreed with him must be less smart. A little dismissive I think. Also, you accuse JP of the same things I see in your comment. Just speak plainly.

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