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My. Lords, ladies and there's. That life betwixt, tis, evident, no sensation, nor the passions, possessed Dominion never the mind of man which, is ruled instead, by a reason, sovereign. Of all faculties. It. Must needs be remarked, that the power of the Commonwealth derive. It not from the despotic, 'el acquisitions. Of conquerors, but from that covenant, amongst, men whereby, they most resembling. The, lobster. Farmington, are, we doing this again lady. Tottington. I'm. So happy to finally meet the real year. Malti, I'm not gonna kiss your hand you freak, I'm more of a woman than you are it's, not what they was saying at the Parisian, Selim clock Me Amadeus, don't, break the fourth wall I'm trying, to make a video about post-modernism. Get out of my drawing-room, 18th, century sexual, deviance so much for the tolerant jacobins. Reason. Power. Truth. These, are the kinds of topics that I simply, don't care about unfortunately. We have to talk about them because of a guy named Jordan, Peterson, - who's Jordan Peterson. Wow. He's a psychology, professor at the University, of Toronto who, got famous for sounding the alarm about how protecting, transgender, people under Canadian human, rights law shall, surely lead to Stalinism. Since then he's been touring North America, as a celebrity lecturer, David Brooks called him the most influential, public, intellectual, in the Western world at, his self-help, book 12 rules for life as a national, and international bestseller, I'm starting to think we, may need to take this guy seriously he's, got a lot of fans on YouTube and I hope you guys are here because I want, to talk a lot of leftists, who have responded to Peterson haven't, really engaged with his ideas very much he's, often caricatured. Avoided, or talked past as in the infamous BBC, interview where, Kathy Newman keeps repeating back very uncharitable, interpretations. Of everything, he says so, you were saying that by and large women, are too agreeable to get the pay I see so I'm saying that that's one component you're saying that women aren't intelligent. Enough to run these taka no you, just say murderers so to provoke, on you I mean you are provocate, I never say lightly they aren't right that you hate to be compared to you're saying that we should organize our, societies. Along. The lines of the lobsters I think that people watching this it comes off as if leftists, are like afraid, of his actual ideas, but I'm not afraid of his ideas I'm not afraid of anything I just smoked a bunch of, PCP. Daddy. So I spent the last couple weeks listening, to hours of Peterson's, lectures, and podcasts. And reading his books and honestly. I think I, get why people like, him, clearly he has real talent as a public speaker and has a kind of life coach his, book 12 rules for life echoes past bestsellers, like Stephen Covey's the seven Habits of Highly Effective People, or Rick Warren's The Purpose Driven Life the, difference is that Peterson, takes basic, self-help, insights, like take, responsibility.
For Yourself don't envy other people, and he renews them with the intellectual trappings, of psychology, philosophy, yogi, and psychoanalysis and, Bible, readings he's telling us a pretty classic story, life is suffering happiness, is not enough to sustain you through suffering, so you need a higher purpose in your life but I knew that already I learned it at the AAA meetings, I refused to go - these are like basic, insights, of world philosophy, and religion, but their insights, that today's youth apparently. Haven't heard before I guess because, not enough of them are alcoholics or at any rate they haven't heard them in a vocabulary, they connected, with so, do a lot of people Peterson's, ideas seem new and urgent and I don't really, object to any of the self-help stuff loose of Peterson's fans are young men and I mean someone, has to live the neckbeards, into shape and if, Pearson can do that more. Power to them I mean sometimes boys just, need a daddy and sometimes, girls do too. But. There's. A big problem here and the problem is, that all this life coaching, is basically, just a Trojan horse for a reactionary, political, agenda, Peterson advocates, and ethics of self-help, not merely as a guide to private, life but as a replacement, for progressive, politics, which he characterizes, as totalitarian. And evil there's no comparison. There now and a trans activist, is there why. Not the, philosophy. That's guiding, their utterances is the, same philosophy, now Peterson doesn't use the word progressive. Politics because that doesn't sound scary enough, his, new scarier. Word is post. Now. We have to be careful, not to confuse postmodern. Neo Marxism, with cultural, Marxism, the Nazi, conspiracy, theory about Marxist, intellectuals, plotting to destroy the West surely, this is not the same thing as that right right. So look I genuinely, do, not think Jordan Peterson is a fascist, and you may quote me on that but I am wondering if it's not a fascist, conspiracy, theory about Marxist, intellectuals, plotting to destroy the West then. What is postmodern. Neo Marxism, well JP that's. What I'd like to talk about so, Jordan sorry, dr. Peterson professor. Daddy. Let's. Talk and for once I'd like to actually treat this discussion, with the seriousness and respect I think it deserves. Okay. Good. Temperature, tell me the oil would you daddy. Thanks. Daddy. It's. Really an honor to bathe with a public intellectual, of your stature. You. Know, I never like to argue in the bath so I want to start by telling you the things I like about you the first thing is that I think some of your criticisms, of the left the, stifling, of even slightly different opinions, the gratuitous. Loathing, of Western cultural, monuments, the politics. And resentment, are within. A certain media, or corner of academia, valid. Complaints, I even made a video about that a long time ago when I was a different person oh, god the dysphoria please don't watch it but my worry is that you're leaving an international, political backlash against what is a very localized, problem and, I worry that some of our society's, most vulnerable people. Could be hurt by that backlash, like, fine you hate postmodern, intellectuals, an overly sensitive student, activists, but if your backlash, also, targets, gender equality, LGBT. Acceptance and, civil rights that, would be bad right I. Also. Like that you tell people how to live their lives I mean I personally hate, taking orders outside, of the bedroom, but. Clearly. The. Sheep need a shepherd and you've really stepped up with these 12 rules you know on the Left we don't really tell people what to do we, tell them what not to do don't exploit the workers do not do blackface I, guess we tell people what pronouns to use for trans people but that's. A pretty small rule compared to some of your rules like how. To raise your children or, what. Okay to criticize, things. The. Last thing I like is you talk about deep, I was watching a video where, you and a couple of zany goons we're, talking about Plato and Aristotle the, meaning of life and I thought huh, on the, Left we don't, really talk about that kind of thing all we talk about is how society oppresses.
People And that might not be enough because, people need to have a positive purpose in life I mean personally, I don't give a I'm, pretty, happy to say here are watching the same three seasons of strangers, with candy until, I die but other people like Dostoevsky. Come you other white guys who talk about lobsters. They. Have this need to have purpose, in the face of suffering and, like not. Just complain about patriarchy. I guess is easier to not complain about patriarchy. When patriarchy, isn't, the thing that's making you suffer but I do think that an education, that only teaches people about oppression is inadequate we spend four years teaching undergraduates, why capitalism, is bad and then we say well, you're educated, now good, luck getting a job under capitalism. By and. That really, kind of sucks but, you know I think, that's a point that could probably be made without, comparing, transgender, activism, to Stalin. If. You like this came across a little more sarcastic than, I intended, see this is what you've got to use a firmer hand with me Peterson, if you don't establish dominance I'm just, gonna melt off they. Use all this to passion, language, and I'm on the side of the oppressed all of that posturing. It does, nothing but mask the underlying, drive to power and I've, just been starting, to review their, curriculum, for children from kindergarten, to grade eight it's pure, social. Justice, post-modernism. The people who hold this doctrine. Just radical. Postmodern, communitarian. Option the, mixed racial identity, or sexual identity or gender identity, or some kind of group identity terminal. Control. Where, the most long. To mid-level bureaucratic. Structures. And. Many governments, as well but, even in the United States. So, you gotta give it to JP when he says stand up straight with your shoulders back he, means that so Jordan Peterson, has succeeded, largely by drawing in audiences, with fairly, popular opinions, political. Correctness often, feels stifling, student. Activists, are sometimes in articulate, and over-reactive, angry, transsexuals, are telling me what words to use and I don't like it but once he draws you in with these inviting, preludes, he leads you to a pretty weird place his, central political message, is that leftist, professors, student, activists, campus. Diversity initiatives. And corporate. HR, departments, are collectively, following, the philosophy of, postmodern. Neo Marxism. To destroy Western civilization. And sink us all into a totalitarian. Nightmare, now there's just no avoiding, that this idea is actually pretty, similar to the cultural Marxism, or cultural Bolshevism, theory but, I'm just gonna ignore that because if I do well on it will sound like I'm saying Peterson, is a fascist, and then, everyone, will think I'm crazy, look I'm not afraid, of psychologists. I don't. Like to hide so let's just try not to think about that and instead. Straightforwardly. Ask is, it true that postmodern. Neo Marxism, is out to destroy us all well why don't we analyze, the concept of postmodern, and Marxism we all know what Marxism, is the idea that society should be understood as a class struggle between workers and capitalists, and that the workers will eventually, revolt some college professors definitely, do believe that but zero, percent of corporate HR departments, do so, that.
Okay. So, what is post-modernism. Well, it's, the vaguest word in the English language some, people try to explain it by listing all the things that are called postmodern, and then trying, to guess what they have in common that's basically, what the YouTuber armored skeptic did in his video about it so many daddies, in this video we did invite the model of barbecue complain about post-modernism. Listen. To some Zeppelin, I've had worse evenings, I don't think there really is a common, thread linking all the things called postmodern, basically, post-modernism, is everything that happened after 1945. That seemed you knew at the time but, when Jordan Peterson says post-modernism, he's not talking, about Andy Warhol or Quentin, Tarantino, he's talking about postmodern, philosophy so, what's that well, basically. It's, a, scepticism, not YouTube, skepticism. But actual, skepticism. You know like having, doubts about whether humans, can really know things about the world how skepticism. Is obviously, not a new idea that. Goes way back to ancient times but. More specifically, post-modernism. Is skepticism about, modernism. So what's modernism, what's what what are words what's, anything, I'm gonna divide modernism, into two periods because I feel like it first there's early modernism, early modernism, is the philosophy developed by a bunch of boring eighteenth-century Queens, which says that we can form Universal theories about the world through observation, and reasoning aka the scientific, method now that turns out to work pretty well for whatever questions, you have about plants. And crystals, and how, to medically, reconfigure. Human genitals, but, it has some limits which was pointed out by David Hume one, of the least boring, 18th century Queens and one of the only philosophers, I can actually put up with in small doses even, though he was a, racist and also, Scottish this, is a call out Hume, argued that from Asher to the empirical, perspective you. Can't really know much about important. Things like morality, causation. And the self because, those, aren't the kinds of things you can observe anyway, then the late modernists, came along and they said, him we're, gonna do science about those things anyway so the late modernists, were a bunch of boring nineteenth-century neckbeards. Who one way or another try. To discover universal, scientific, truths about humans, so for example you have psychoanalysis, which. Said human nature can be understood, in terms of unconscious, tribes which, is of course ridiculous, I'm conscious, of all my drives and you, got Marxism, with its analysis, of boot huazi and proletariat, you got early sociology. And anthropology which, started out with recent social evolutionism. And progresses, to a kind of we're all the same universalism. Jordan, Peterson is right at home with the lay modernists. His first book maps of meaning is, an attempt to describe how humans make sense of the world and create order out of chaos through, universal, myths and archetypes which he claims are a product of our species evolutionary, past. Boy this is a lot of explaining, it's so much explaining, it's triggering gender dysphoria I better put on some longer nails. Nails. It's an old woman who'd means to you. Haha. Post-modernism. Is skepticism about modernism. So whereas modernists, try to create eternal and universal theories. About a reality history, and humanity, post, modernists, say actually. No that's, not possible, for, example the French post modernist, Michele fuku Sargon. Little. Guth's Michele. Fuku, wrote intellectual, histories, of subjects, like psychiatry, medicine, and criminal justice in which he argued that we should not understand, these histories and straightforward, progressions, toward liberty and scientific, truth but, rather as, mere shifts, in the way that power orders. Our institutions. And populations. The, other post modernist, I've actually read a lot of his Richard Rorty yeah, you Derrida, if you wanted me to read you you should have been easier to read Rorty, advocates, an attitude toward knowledge he calls ayran ism irony, being the sceptical, caution, with which we should regard our own beliefs in our awareness that, our vocabulary. For describing and, understanding, the world is not the final or best vocabulary. All right that's enough explaining, and my nails are done check it out do you enjoy having long glamorous.
Nails With, the lesbians, and queer girls keep flaring up them with barely concealed, visceral, rage well, I have, a solution for you the bisexual. Manicure, one end for the V one, end for the D both. For, degeneracy, it's absolutely, filthy so. We've got all the pieces on the table now, you've just got up with a puzzle together on, the one hand we have Marxism. A fundamentally. Modernist, worldview, that theorizes, the human condition, in economic, terms on the other hand we have post-modernism. The sceptical worldview that denies our capacity, to know any universal, truths about anything on the face of it it was seeing these two ideas are not compatible, and there is an extensive history of dispute between them with for instance the Marxist Sartre calling, Foucault the last barricade, the Fugazi, can erect against Marx and of course as we all know when Foucault died, capitalism. Did and forever. So, where does Peterson get off talking about postmodern, neo Marxism. Well it's true that a lot of post modernists, were in some way influenced, by Marxism. So the phrase could just refer to that continuity, but that's not what Peterson means it's, clear for the way he uses the term the concept, is even more jumbled, and nonsensical, than it initially, appears Peterson, uses the term postmodern. Neo Marxism, to include not only postmodern. Intellectuals, and Marxist intellectuals, but also liberal, politicians. Academic. Administrators. In corporate HR departments, that care about diversity and so-called, identity politics, activists, including feminists. LGBTQ, and civil rights activists. Basically, is the entirety of the modern left now I've already mentioned how Marxism, and post-modernism, more fundamentally. At odds since, Marxism. Is a big story about a struggle, between two clear and distinct groups and post-modernism. Is skepticism. About big, stories, like this and about the stability, of binaries, like booj Rossi and proletarian, but that's not the only tension, and Peterson's, clusterfuck. Idea of postmodern, neo Marxism, anyone with any experience, and leftist circles, knows that, Marxists, and identity, politics activists, are constantly, at each other's throats because the Marxists, accused the activists, of being blue jaw dogs who want more female, CEOs, of color and more disabled, transgendered. Drunk pilots, while the activists, accuse the Marxists, of being a boys club of brochure lists no more work on gender and race issues, than the average Jordan Peterson, found most often these accusations are, correct because everyone, is problematic. And I disown, them all and then there's also the conflict between the identity, politics activists, and the post modernists. Why does everyone think that identity, politics, is postmodern, there's nothing postmodern, about it identity, politics, advocates, for rights equality, and justice for, particular, groups such, as women people, of color and gay, and trans people this. Kind of activism, presupposes. That these group categories, exists, and are a useful basis, for political organizing, post, modernists, do kind of the opposite, they, want to show that these categories, race gender, sexual, orientation or, contingent. Social constructs, and/or themselves, potentially, oppressive, this, is why conventional, feminist activists, often, hate postmodern. Feminism, because the postmodern, feminist Swan. The whole concept, of womanhood for instance is contingent. And potentially, oppressive, and they think we should be working to destabilize. And under - and then the conventional feminist, activists, say the. We, need the concept of womanhood to organize around women's political interests, how are we supposed to do that if we undermine, and destabilize the, concept, of womanhood and in turn the postmodern, feminists, say well here's, a quotation, from Judith Butler the most famous postmodern. Feminist ever, is it not a sign of despair, over public politics, when identity, becomes its own policy, bringing, with it those who would police it from various sides and this, is not a call to return to silence or invisibility, but, rather to, make use of a category, that can be called into question made, to account for what it excludes, if, you take the first part of that quote out of context.
It Almost sounds like something Jordan Peterson, could have said the difference is that JP actually, does think we should return to silence and invisibility, or, does, he it's hard to tell what he thinks more on that in a moment I bring all this up to show that one the idea of postmodern. Neo-marxist, identity, politics, as a unifying, concept of, the left is nonsensical, and to. Identity. Politics, is not this dogma, that must go unquestioned. There were sophisticated debates. About this going on within leftist, academia, but, Jordan Peterson, either doesn't know that or doesn't care he uses the term postmodern. Neo Marxism, to characterize, the left of the unified, philosophical. Force bent on destroying, Western, civilization. When, in fact it's a bunch of bumbling buffoons, who can't stop squabbling, with each other over every goddamn, little issue the, only reason I can think of that the left would appear to be a unified, philosophical. Force is if you're so far to the right that literally, everyone, who supports, the economic, and social advancement. Of disadvantaged, groups looks, like one homogeneous, enemy but is that what Doron Peterson, is saying that, he opposes all social, progress, for women racial, and sexual minorities well, it's difficult to say because, while he spends much of his time comparing. Activists. For these movements to 20th century, mass murderers, he, resists, being pinned down to any more specific, position, I was maybe too harsh on Cathy knew earlier she came out of the interview, looking bad but she had a tough job to do Peterson's rhetorical, strategy, involves, saying something, that's more or less uncontroversially. True while, at the same time implying. Something. Controversial, for, instance Jordan Peterson will make a claim like there, are biological differences. Between men and women, which is obviously, true but he'll say it in the context, of a conversation, about the under-representation, of, women and garment which implies, what. Exactly. So how do you respond to this well either you fall into the trap of arguing, against, the obviously, true statement, or you have to guess at what he's implying in response, to which he can accuse you of misrepresenting. Him which is exactly what happened with the Kathy Newman interview, the most famous moment were Peters and dozens is the notorious lobster. Argument, so he starts by saying here's this idea that. Hierarchical. Structures, are a sociological. Construct. Of the, Western patriarchy. And then he goes on to say that lobsters, exist in hierarchies, and lobsters, predate, Western, patriarchy. By millions of years so checkmate. Postmodern. Neo-marxists, you're saying that we should organize our, societies. Along. The lines of the lobsters I'm saying that it's inevitable, that there will be continuity, in the way that animals and human beings organizing. Organize, their structures the problem with that is that no, one has ever said that every. Hierarchy, is the product of Western, patriarchy. This is such a massive straw man that it overshadows, any uncharitable, interpretation. Of Peterson suggested, by Kathy Newman in this interview no one on the Left denies, that there are some natural hierarchies. Even the anarchists. Whose whole thing is abolishing hierarchies. Limit, themselves to, the abolition, of unjust. Hierarchies. No one wants to abolish lobster, hierarchies, the hierarchies, were interested, in are those of gender race, and economics. Within our own society. To, which the lobster case as a complete, non sequitur, I mean you could use Peterson's, lobster, argument, the same way he uses it to justify literally, any hierarchy, or Authority no matter how unjust, it could be an 18th century Republican. Arguing, against the monarchy and the monarch, could turn around and say well hierarchies.
Are Inevitable, god save the lobster, Queen. Oh dear. God, my, Lords, ladies, those. Lines. Between, present. Rumors and Republican, rumbling, was amongst the rabble have compared, us to summoning. Together, let, us remind, you, that nature. Has sue made lobster, but, some individuals, be stronger. Than the others therefore. Let, not the power of our. Crustacean. Sovereignty. Be, any wise and, pure and, does for. Parliamentarians. Well. Let. Them vote for, kick. Very. Good thank, you. I, need. New roommates. So I've argued that Peterson, is voting the incoherent, concept, of postmodern. In Marxism that the supervillain, in a childishly, simple worldview. He's promoting, where these evil leftists, are out to destroy the West now, it's time to expect the other side of this coin what, exactly. Is the West well, there's an academic usage. Of the term the West that, describes the intellectual, tradition, that runs from ancient Athens, to modern-day Europe and its colonies, now a true post modernist would want to deconstruct the whole concept, of the West and show, how the very idea, is racist, and exclusionary, and supremacist. And justify his imperialism. And all that kind of thing but we don't have time for that right now so I'm just gonna grab that the West is a thing and look at how Jordan Peters and thinks about it for Peterson, the West seems to be equivalent to capitalism, individualism. The idea that each human has a spark, of divinity and, he therefore equates, it with judeo-christian. Values a, term more popular, with conservative, pundits, than intellectual historians. Speeders and contrasts. Judeo-christian. Values with, postmodern, neo Marxism, which he describes as anti Western collectivist. Relativist. And totalitarian. This framing of a conflict of ideas in terms of geographical. Chauvinism, and external, threat is inaccurate, and scaremongering. Marxism. Is Western, philosophy, post-modernism. Is Western, philosophy, if you're really concerned about preserving the geographical. Boundaries, of the intellectual, tradition, you should be ranting against the influence, of Buddhism, likewise, there is no feature of SJW.
Ideology, That is meaningfully, non-western, the very idea of people requesting, different pronouns to suit their individual, needs is exactly. The kind of thing a person who values individual. Liberty, over collective, dogma should be on board with could even argue that Marxism, is an extension of enlightenment, philosophy, with its concern for human progress science. And liberty I think a lot of people like listening to Jordan Pederson talk about the Western tradition but, they don't seem to like reading any of it themselves if you did read it you'd find a surprising, diversity, of thought that, doesn't reduce to, judeo-christian. Values much. Of Plato's. Are, concerned with arguing against, cultural relativism, suggesting. That far, from being an invention of the post modernity it, was actually, a pretty popular worldview. Among ancient Athenian, pederasts. Her favorite Enlightenment, philosopher David. Hume famously. Said that reason, is and not only to be the slave of the passions literally. Feels, over, reals and meanwhile, his contemporary. The Marquita solid, was advocating, the abolition, of morality filling. The churches with scat porn and ushering in a reign of untethered. Sexual, perversion. So decadent and depraved, I'm not even allowed to talk about it on YouTube this is the Enlightenment, not post-modernism. And it's just as much a part of the West as Petersons soggy Bible. Padding conservatism, but again and I really can't stress this enough I don't, care, either way I make youtube videos because. I enjoy mood lighting and set, design so, what, do you people want from me the lobster queen is dead long live the Queen. There is a day there's and I think you would agree that there's just a foundational, erosion, that I think. People of all sides and I think there's totally intellectually, smart people on the far left that can help, that. Where, are those people there's a there's a there's a, youtuber. That I'm actually quite interested. In that I watch her type and I don't mean the misgender, Hercules I think she has. Contra, points I don't know if you're part of this of this youtuber, who's on the phone I've seen the name come up every now and again I totally.
Disagree With everything this person says but I look at it I'm like this seems very reasonable educated. Academic, and I. Saw I'm seeing reasons. To hope that everyone. Hello. Dave.