Is The F-35 Worth $115 Million?

Is The F-35 Worth $115 Million?

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This, episode, of real engineering, is brought to you by curiosity stream, watch thousands, of documentaries, for free for 31 days a curiosity stream, calm, Ford / real engineering, this. Year at the f-35. Is finally. Set to close its 27. Year development, phase and move, towards high-volume. Manufacturing the. Culmination, of 27. Years of design and development. From, its manufacturer, Lockheed, Martin, 27. Years of development, crossing, the finish line in the midst of a political power struggle, in America, this is after, all the most expensive weapon, system in the history, of humankind, costs. Have inflated, as a result, of the American, military-industrial, complex where. The intertwining of politics, economy, and the military industry encourages. Companies like, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing to, not vertically. Integrate, their companies as a means of spreading jobs, across America and, thereby, increased, political support, for, these programs and the, politicians, that approved them in Congress, to, win contracts, we, could deep dive into these muddied waters of politics but, this channel is about engineering. And the development costs of the f-35 would, be astronomical even. Without these issues, so, let's, explore the design of this plane and see whether its price tag is really, worth it from. The start the f-35, sought to be the jack-of-all-trades an. Air, superiority machine. To replace the air force's f-16s. And a TENS a stealth, fighter taking, the lessons learned from the b-2 program and improving, upon Lockheed's previous ventures into stealth technology with, the f-22, Raptor and the, f-117, Nighthawk. A carrier, capable fighter to replace the f-18. Hornets, of the Navy and perhaps, most, audacious of all it would take on the challenge of vertical, landings taking over from the British av-8b, Harrier, taking. On all these advanced, technologies and combining, them into one plane, was, never going, to be an easy or cheap task. And the, program was made even more expensive by what was initially intended, to be a cost-saving. Measure this. Plane would be developed, as a joint venture between three, US military, brand the Air Force Navy, and Marines, a single. Plane for each branch of the military the, program was named the Joint Strike Fighter and, its goal was to produce a next-generation, plane, that could replace fighter, strike, and ground, attack aircraft of, not just the United States but all of, its allies, unlike. The f-22, Raptor which is a US Air Force exclusive. Plane, the f-35 would, be commercially, available the. Joint Strike Fighter program began. Life as a competition between, McDonnell. Douglas Northrop Gruman, Lockheed, Martin and Boeing with.

Lockheed And Boeing going, on to develop prototype. Aircraft as finalists, in the competition, both, eager to win what was sure to be one of the most lucrative contracts. They would ever sign, Boeing's. Aircraft, the x32. Was, an odd-looking aircraft. Featuring. A massive single, air intake, that made it less VTOL, and more veal all its, looks alone may have stopped it from winning this valuable contract, but what really held it back was Boeing's, decision to, create two, prototype, planes one. Capable of supersonic, flight and one capable of vertical takeoff, using. The same vector thrust as the Harrier which, it was supposed to be replacing the, engine used in the Harrier is similar, to a traditional jet, engine, in that a consists of a low pressure compressor fan a high-pressure. Compressor a combustion, chamber a high-pressure turbine and a low pressure turbine, but, it's out less nozzle placement, is anything, but traditional two. Outlets are placed immediately after. The low-pressure compressor with, another two ducting, air from the higher pressure turbines, in, vertical, thrust mode the, nozzles point downwards, and allow the plane to balance precariously, on these four columns of air the, Harrier was not, an easy plane to control in this flight mode and on more than one occasion turbulence. From its own downwash, caused, the plane to flip over onto the cockpit during, landings, killing, the pilot a large. Part of these control issues, can be attributed to the proximity of the, control nozzles, to the center of gravity of the plane giving, them less mechanical advantage. To, manipulate the plane's attitude. The, Harrier did have small roll control nozzles, on the tip of each wing but, the control for these were entirely, manual, placing. The incredibly. Unstable control, mechanism, into the hands of a human that, needed to focus on various, other factors, when, landing the, x32, used, many of the same techniques to achieve vertical, thrust but, improved, on many of the Harriers shortcomings. Instead. Of using the same nozzles, for cruise and direct, lift the x32, would, close valves for each when needed in normal. Flight the cruise nozzles, would open allowing, the thrust of the jet engine to be directed, efficiently. Through, the rear of the aircraft then, during, transition, this nozzle would close and force air through the direct lift nozzles, they. Placed a larger roll control nozzles, further, from the planes center of mass and also, employed a cold air screen placed, just, forward, of the lift, nozzles, this, was intended to stop hot turbulent, air from the direct lift nozzles, from entering the front intake, which, was a massive, issue for, the harrier as it, landed, jet, engines need cold and smooth air to operate at maximum thrust which was difficult to get when landing and directing, the entirety. Of your thrust, directly, at the ground despite. These improvements lockheed, ultimately, won, the contract impressing. The Joint Strike Fighter program with, their left fan system the, engine thrust here once again exits. A single, exhaust nozzle, during. Normal flight but, when the show begins, the, ex35, was capable of some incredible, transformer, like changes, hatch. Is opened on the top and bottom, of the aircraft revealing. To contra-rotating, fans. Another. Two little doors opened, beneath the wings exposing. Two additional, exhaust ports that controlled the plane's role finally. As the plane begins to slow down the crews nozzle would begin to pivot downwards, transitioning. The remaining, thrust of the jet engine from horizontal to, vertical the. Left fan solved many of the same issues that plagued, the harrier the, lift fan produced, the majority of the vertical thrust and it did not heat up the air significantly. In the, process, the, roll control had significantly. More mechanical. Advantage, and did, the majority, of the control over to a computer, perhaps. Most influential in, their success to winning the contract this prototype was capable of both vertical, landings and supersonic. Flight this, was the kind of innovation, the Joint Strike Fighter program was, looking for the, lift fan is essentially, a turboprop, engine, like something you would find on an osprey, the, propellers, are driven by a drive shaft connected, to the jet engine turbines, which, can be disengaged during.

Normal Flies this, means the lift fan is dead waste during cruise but, what it adds and weighs it more than makes up for it in lift combined. These propulsion, methods can produce. 185. Kilonewtons. Of lift the, Harrier could only manage, 106. This, increase, in direct lift capabilities. Was, vital, to making the f-35, a worthy, successor to, the Harrier as one, of the Harriers greatest, weaknesses, was its limitations, in maximum, takeoff and landing weight the. Harrier like the f-35b. Mostly. Operated, in short takeoff and vertical landing, mode the, Harrier would point all four, of its nozzles at about a 45, degree angle, allowing. It to produce both horizontal, and vertical thrust. To take off from shorter, runways, this, allowed it to take off with considerably, more waste than it could land with in a vertical landing the, empty weight of the f-35b. May be thirteen thousand one hundred and fifty four kilograms, compared, to the six thousand three hundred and forty kilograms, of the Harrier but, it more than makes up for that with a maximum, takeoff weight of thirty one thousand eight hundred kilograms, compared. To the Harriers fourteen thousand one hundred kilograms, that's, an extra, 11, tons of waste available. To the f-35, for fuel and a munitions, something. The Harrier had little space for so, the, f-35, is more than a worthy, successor to, the Harrier a plane, which fetched about 24, million dollars, per unit in 1996. Or about. 39 million adjusted. For inflation so. Incorporating, VTOL, to the f-35b, was. Just one of many design, challenges, that pushed the price of the program off ironically. Despite, Boeing's, joule prototype, entry being a sticky, point four the jsf program. The f-35 now, comes in three variants, each, tailored, for different branches in the US military. The f-35 a is customized. For the US Air Force and as such has, been designed, to take off from conventional, runways, allowing. It to scrap much of the heavy equipment needed. For the f-35 be, the, Marines variant, the, Marines do not operate out of large aircraft, carriers, like the Navy and as such their, ships like the wasp-class amphibious assault. Ship have often been referred to as helicopter. Carriers, as no, plane, other than the Harrier or Osprey, have been able to use them this. Is not the case for the Navy who have large aircraft, carriers, at their disposal the. Final variant is the f-35. C which has been designed to satisfy the Navy's, requirements, having, wings that are about 40% larger, than either of its sister variants, and its landing gear is much heavier and stronger, both. Of these features were included to allow it to land and take off from, aircraft carriers without, the need for the vertical propulsion, like the f-35 be the, larger wings not only allow the f-35c.

To, Have the largest fuel capacity of, the three but, also give it much better lift at slower speeds making. Landings, and takeoffs much. Easier on the deck of an aircraft carrier while. The heavier landing, gear allows the plane to survive the rough landings associated. With the arresting, wire landings, on aircraft carriers the, f-35. See also, incorporates, folding, wingtips to allow for neat storage inside the ship this. Expansion into three variants has been a huge source of increased, costs, and the program likely could have dramatically, reduced on spending, had, it just designed three, different planes for, three different branches, trying. To squeeze the needs of these three military, branches, into a single, airframe, was never going to be an easy task for the R&D division of Lockheed Martin and forced, them to make some concessions in design, that have limited them in other areas, the, brunt of criticism directed. At the f-35. Is its, shortcomings in dog fighting capabilities. Headlines. Of the f-35, losing. Simulated, dogfights, to cold war-era. F-15s. Dean's grabbed, many people's attention, and were, used to detract from the f-35s. Advancements. We, only knew about these issues as a result of a report that leaked to the press let's. Take a look at that report to, see what this test pilot thought about the f-35 a he flew the, primary, flaw of this pilot highlighted, was the f-35, A's poor, energy maneuverability. Meaning. The f-35, a struggled. To maneuver without expending, a significant. Amount of its kinetic energy, which, is a problem, I discussed, in more detail in my fighter jet instability. Video the primary, design aspect, the pilot pins this on is the smaller wing area and the weaker afterburner, thrust of the f-35, in comparison. To the f-15e. He was accustomed to essentially. Their issue with the f-35, was, that it depleted, its kinetic energy stored quicker than its competition we, have no reason to believe this pilot was wrong in his findings so what does this mean for the f-35, it.

Is Important to note that this was not a fully functional, version missing, software enabling, the plane to detect its foes before they can detect it and was missing radar absorbing, paint on, top of this the f-35, is not short of trained military aviators. Who praised the f-35. Like, US Marine corpse major Dan flatly who helped design the combat training program for f-35. Pilots, and he, has chalked up these issues to old habits of pilots who have spent significant. Portions, of their lives dedicated, to older generation, planes which, were designed with a different, philosophy in, mind since, then the f-35, has performed, phenomenally, in simulations, with the reports up to 22, 1 K TRS other, pilots, who have had more time to become accustomed, to the f-35, had more positive things to say like, John Beasley the chief test pilot of the f-35, with, 22, years of experience as. A test pilot at Lockheed Martin and was, involved in the development of the f-117, Nighthawk, and the f-22 Raptor, he, claims the f-35, can outmaneuver any, US, fighter except, for the f-22, which, was designed specifically. As an, air superiority machine. And. Is not, available for purchase outside of America, and actually, has a higher unit, cost than, the f-35, at about a hundred and fifty million dollars it's. Hard for me to make a judgment, call on this because I have as little information as any other civilian, but honestly outside, of this one report, most pilots who have flown with the f-35, sing, its praises John. Beasley also, makes an important, note air, combat has always relied, on stealth, whether, it was World War one pilots, diving, from the Sun at their backs or modern. Fighters using advanced, radar, masks in design because. In the grand scheme of things in a dogfight the real star that matters is who sees and shoots first and the biggest factor that contributes, to that are the onboard, sensors, and stealth the, thing that really sets the f-35, apart, is its suite of sensors, and computer, guidance systems, which, have been integrated, with the user interface, of the, aircraft unlike, any other plane in the history of mankind while. Sharing that information with, the entire, force this, is what truly makes this plane something to be feared and it all starts with this a little, transparent, faceted, sensor suite containing. The infrared, imaging, and tracking, equipment of the, aircraft but those are not your typical windows, those, are made of sapphire and notoriously. Expensive gemstone, one, of the few materials that is both hard and durable but also transparent, to a broad range of wavelets, the, imaging, data from these sensors can even be fed into the pilots helmet visor which, has been enhanced with augmented reality technology, this. Helmet alone costs. $400,000. And enables, the pilot to look straight through the aircraft and see at night without having to wear clumsy, night-vision goggles. The, helmet also feeds in data from the multitude of other sensors, like the advanced, high-frequency, radar, in the nose of the plane along. With data received, from sensors, from other aircraft, and ground-based units, the, data does not feed into the pilots AR helmet unfiltered, though it passes through the on-board computer which. Performs, all the necessary filtering. And data analysis, and only, presents the pilot with the information, he really, needs this technology. Is so powerful, that even an unarmed, f-35, would greatly, boost the combat effectiveness, of its, allies but. Detection, is just one step of that goal of shooting first not, being detected is just, as important. Incorporating. Stealth was just another design, challenge, and is likely the source of much of the unexpected, cost let's, first clear something up despite, what you may have otherwise, heard stealth, does not render a plane undetectable. Short, of not physically, existing, everything. Is detectable, if we can find and analyze planets. Billions, of light-years away we can detect a plane flying directly, overhead, stealth. Purpose is not to make the plane invisible, it serves, to complicate, and delay, the enemy's detection, of an aircraft stealth. Has proven itself invaluable, over the past two decades prior. To the f-35s, inception, the, f-117. Nighthawk flew over. 1,300. Missions over Iraq during. The Gulf War scouring. Direct hits on over, 1600. High-value. Targets, without losing a single aircraft. But, it was far from perfect Lockheed knew this all too well as the manufacturer, of the f-117, in, 1999.

A Nighthawk, was infamously, spotted, by a radar and subsequently, shot down over Serbia the, pilot survived but the plane crashed and remained mostly, intact handing, over a valuable, technology to, the Russians to reverse-engineer. Celt, serves a single purpose to, avoid detection and the f-117, failed, here but, it was developed, using 1970s. Era computing, technology, it's panels were flat and faceted, simply, because we did not have the computers capable, of analyzing more, complicated, shapes to optimize stealth early. Attempts at stealth worked under a fairly, simple theory radar, works by sending out pulses of electromagnetic. Waves and waits, and listens for reflections. The, idea behind stealth, technology is to not reflect, those waves back at the emitter and thus, avoiding, detection this. Is why the f-117. Is shaped like this each, panel has been angled and placed in a way to minimize, how much of this energy it will reflect back to the sender, it was also coated in a paint that would help absorb, some of that electromagnetic. Radiation, a, opponents of stealth technology despite, its proven track record are quick to point out that long wavelength, radar is capable, of detecting stealth, aircraft the, same kind of radar that detected, the f-117, over, Serbia and the same kind of radar used in the Battle of Britain while, this is true, these, stealth aircraft are optimized, to avoid detection of, higher frequency. Radar, those opponents rarely, mentioned that low frequency, long wavelength, radar do not provide high fidelity measurements. And struggle, to pinpoint their location of, the, aircraft this, makes them effective early warning systems but entirely useless, for directing, missiles while, this is certainly not useless it's, not particularly useful in, air-to-air combat had. The f-117. Nighthawk on that night been escorted, by its usual squadron, of electronic, jamming Prowler aircraft, the, missiles may well have never got a lock this, was made worse by the fact the aircraft, was flying a regular, flight path and so, the Serbians knew where to look topping, this off the f-117, was designed in an era before, sophisticated. Computational. Analysis, was available and so, it took this relatively, simplistic flat, faceted, form the b2 and f-22, however, greatly, improved, on the technology, utilizing. Complex curved shapes which no human could hope to calculate, the radar signature, of and they, have never been shut down the, curves diffused those radio waves in many directions rather. Than reflecting, it all in one direction which makes it easier to detect by receivers, listening, in locations, separate, to the emitter a fairly standard practice, today the, f-35 uses. The same complex, curves to avoid detection by, these, high-frequency, radars. And this, is likely one of the things driving its development, costs up the most stealth. Technology requires. Precision, beyond. Any other type, of manufacturing, this, is manageable, at small-scale, production like, that of the b2 and f-22, which, had very small production. Runs the, f-35, however is expected to be a mass manufactured. Aircraft, that foreign allies with shallower pockets, than the US military, will be willing, to pay for creating. A manufacturing, line that requires this level of precision was, never going to be, panels cannot have gaps between them that cannot be malformed, a single, scratch on the radar-absorbing, coating will require an entire repaint, of the parrot small. Manufacturing, defects have caused recalls, on multiple, occasions Lockheed. Is only now starting to, comfortably, roll the plane off the assembly, lines and that, is reflected in the lowering price of the aircraft, the latest, batch of orders have reduced and cost by 5.4 percent for, the f-35 a 5.7, for the B variant, an 11.1%. For, the f-35 see, leaving, us with a unit, cost of 89 point two million for an f-35, a a hundred, and fifteen point five million for an f-35, B and one hundred and seven, point seven million for an f-35, see, with, the f-35, a expected. To drop by a further four, point seven percent to 85, million by, the end of 2019, this. Sounds like a shitload, of money to the average, person, like me but, we get a clearer, picture of these costs, when comparing, to other fifth-generation. Fighters. Like, the f-22 Raptor, which cost a hundred and fifty, million dollars per unit or even. Looking at the other aircraft, it's going to be replacing I think, it's fair to say that we've established that, the f-35, is a worthy, successor to all of these planes which. Individually, come with their own hefty. Price tags but. The f-35, manages, to combine the capabilities, of all these aircraft, into, a single, plane yes, the development, cost of this plane have been astronomical.

That, Cannot be denied but, much of that money has gone directly back, into the American, economy then. When you consider that the plane is expected, to sell up to 4600, units. By the end of its lifetime nearly. Identical to, the total f-16, sales figures this, will inject more money into the American, economy considering. A large sum of these orders will be from international. Exports. So, is the f-35, worth it's 115. Point five million price tag as an, Irish, citizen that's, not for me to decide but, I can't say one thing this, is a fascinating, plane, with astounding, capabilities. This, may have been a heavy, price to pay but what isn't is a subscription. To curiosity, stream at a price of just, $2.99. A month with. That price you will get access to thousands, of documentaries, and nonfiction. Titles like, this fantastic, history of weapons series not, only that you will also get free access to nebula, the streaming video platform, built by and for. Independent. Creators like tear Zoo Lindsay, Alice minutephysics, Wendover. Productions and my new channel real, science, which just launched last week where, curiosity stream, is all about big-budget, non-fiction. Videos we're, building nebula because we want a place for educational. Creators, to try out new content ideas, that, might not work on YouTube I'm currently working on a logistics. Of d-day series and the next episode of real science is already available, on there but, won't be on YouTube for another month, curiosity. Stream loves independent, creators and wants, to help us grow our platform, so they're offering real engineering, viewers, free, access to nebula, when you sign up to curiosity, stream comm, Ford slash real, engineering, by, signing up to curiosity stream, you will be helping not just me but, the entire, educational. Community, as we, work together to build a place where we can create content like, my logistics, of d-day series that, would just be too risky, to rely on YouTube, as, always thanks, for watching and, thank you to all my patreon, supporters if you'd like to see more from me the, links to my Instagram Twitter. Subreddit. And discord server are below. You.

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@Caleb Houston that would actually be good

@Ron Johnson his early content was unique and very good.

dosmastrify have to agree. This video seems like it's sponsored by Lockheed Martin and us military fanboys. You've got people in the comments section who think this is a US channel and are telling Irish people to comment on their own local media. I'm guessing they haven't much interest in free engineering.

@OT A the hill channel. (left wing) Tim black channel (left wing minority) 1791L channel (right wing)

Will it be real science or. Pop science? This channel used to be real engineering but now it's pop engineering. Look at your early Vids vs this one.

I disagree with you Caleb your curiosity stream has 2 huge flaw Flaw #1 you cant use it without sign up Flaw #2 its not FREE

Eat Shit you didn't do too well in Afghanistan. Or Vietnam. Or Korea. Or Iraq for that matter. You managed on with Grenada though, so well done. Although didn't you have to leave when you realised it was British?

@Guinness ?????? Pls give me and answer with content...

Balázs Molnár how very naive you are

@Guinness It is irrelevant from technical aspect... The title of channel is Real Engineering not Real Economics...

Real Engineering how did you get through an entire video of cost without mentioning 50 separate manufacturing sites in as many states?

You should do a "My Pillow" video

@wolum andreas This is totally false comment. Even with full program cost counting the cost was about 350M (65bn/187) and not 800. About 42bn was development rest was manufacturing. What is underpowered? F-35A. In demo config has same performance as F-16. Only problem if you put external stores for F-16 (because you cannot do otherwise) the performance loss for F-16C is hihger. Why. Because simple physics. The F-35A is much heavier and has the same perf. In case you add more weight by weapons the relative weight increase for F-35A is much smaller than for F-16C especially because as long as remains in stealth config the drag of weapons is 0. I can show you F-16s performance the effect of +4000 lb fuel and +4000 lb as stores and drag... In combat config - especially in AG - F-16C simply lame comparing to F-35A.

No it is not, not even close in fact the F-35 is already obsolete its mamoeuvrability sucks compared to its rivals It cant even go in super cruise for a long time but the worst is its stealth failure Nearly all passive radars will detect and track it and there are anti air missiles equiped with those same passive radars So yeah it obsolete id rather spend my money on jets that dont only rely on stealth to survive like the PAK-FA T-50 it can do a 180 degree turn at full speed thus it can dodge a missile No other jet can do that Imagine you are on the 6 of one of thosee Russian jets, you fire your missile at him but then you see him do 180 degree turn, dodging your missile and he charges towards you while firing his guns... Its a scary thing to imagine because go straight from haha i got you to oh crap he might get me Straight from confidence to full panic - Yes some of the PAK-FA T-50 did have engine failure but better that then a stealth that doesnt work besides the Russia have the best emergency evacuation system in the world something they always bragged about

@EliteGeeks - You say " these planes will be useless..." But, you on't say why these plane will be useless.

In all the war games the f-35 replaces, even the ones the US has lost. The f-35 dominated the air once it got off the ground with no contest and with the big boost of funding the US military got they're trying to cover their windfalls they had in the last war game (basically lost to tens of thousands of "cheap" rockets currently aimed at military and air force bases)

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@stephen Burrows...How far does your head Burrows up your backside. Or, are you Burrowed in a time between 2010 and 2016 when so many wanted to and attempted to Burrow the F35 by any means available. This included using the oldest trick in the book, like this favorite book of yours, propaganda. Yet four years later, with all that bs debunked, you still can't seem to get a grip on reality. If at all possible to pull your head out and get air to your brain, a good suggestion would be to become familiar with, educate yourself, on the F35's true performance and capabilities. Unless of course there's an unwillingness to even be honest with yourself. Ignorance is after all a choice

Wouldn't it be neat if they had a heavier gun on a gauss cannon or something?

Is Nubela free?

Arthur Inglis - it’s already stuffed, aka. Doesn’t really work as described, more info here if you’re interested:

OT A - FYI: - might help. IMHO the only reason the F35 is where it is today is as result of a dubious marketing campaign - not actual flight capability...

Sorry, I don’t buy it - so you’re suggesting the opinion of a pilot that helped design it is unbiased? And strangely, blames short comings of other pilots as failure on their part, not the aircraft? At end of day the F35 has been an engineering disaster from day #1 and continues ‘today’ in being an ongoing development project rather than a completed one. Here’s some excellent background for anyone interested - it’s mind opening:

Just another YouTube narcissist who plagiarizes and repeats aricles from random who knows whose publications with no clue whether fact or a blatantly false. Proven by the number of ridiculous claims of others you repeat. Ignorance is a choice

Same ruskie that wrote the book on stealth included the solution (defeat). All your gizmos are great on paper. I will be as delighted as everyone else if it works. Simulations are irrelevant. It remains an underpowered pig; and too costly. The 22 wasn't 150m it was 800m when axed; rightly so. This thing does nothing new, a huge mistake. History will again tell the tale.

in a real-world war, these planes will be useless... wont be able to replace them as we lose them fast enough

Is some inaccurate information about the F-117 shotdown. Pls. link if you can. I met personally with Zoltan Dani and spoke about hours what happened.

I have access to Curiosity Stream. How can I access without paying?

So when is nebula coming to Android?

Sailor Bob

dude this will be a good series, like next time do is this Car or Machine wroth that Money!

@Braden A, haha, perfect rebuttal. Good job, sir!

People love arguing about the F-35. You're a brave man for entering the fray lol

5 (whatever the fuck) We always sell you the cheaper version aircraft with simple defects and a complete lack of our high technology. That is why your price is always lower on every type of aircraft we sell to Israel. I make F-15 parts , any defective parts that do not meet tolerance specifications are shipped to Israel. They are still functional , just not PERFECT.

Steven Utter yeah keep on uttering bullshit out of your mouth smh i dare you to go live in any other country like russia or china or india and then you’ll realize which country is actually going to shit, if anything america is going to shit because of pussy ass liberals like you brainwashing our youth into thinking they can be whatever gender they want when in reality you are either a MALE or a FEMALE. gtfo you liberal scumbag.

Correction. The f35 price is 85M. We as israelis know that, thats why idf will have more.

This is how America works dumbass. 50 independent nations with free market trading partnerships and one common defense. Learn who we are before you condescend our methods of operation. We are a REPUBLIC. We can kick the shit out of you with both hands tied behind our backs while blindfolded and our feet in shackles.

was it nostrodomus that said, "that in the end times, the top 10% of humanity would be employed by the beast to control the lower 90% of humanity."? i did 20 years working in the belly of the beast in the military. the usa has been usurped, by the way. but we all must choose, individually, to put our trust in god. no voting majorities will suffice. be still. dont buy that new 4g tv for 2 grand off. it's soul bait. go help your next door neighbor. yeah him, behind your "privacy" wall. see if he is ok ? probably not. where do you see the face of jesus ? i'm looking for him. : )

America is going to shit, our students are getting dumber and dumber, the country values military spending over that of education, and multiple states in the south are actually allowed to heavily edit their text books, including the teaching of young earth creationism, and the omitting of the slave trade from Americas history, portraying the KKK as protectors of the community, the list goes on and on.

now remote drones are better than a meat puppet in a can could ever be

Now you HAVE TO do a video on Quantum Radar!!!

The only plane i dont think it can fully replace is the A-10 as it lacks the raw firepower but feel free to prove me wrong

@Real Engineering At 19:15 you talk about how the F-35 uses complex curves to avoid detection. To me the F-35 looks like a very normal fighter jet. How are those complex curves used? Is it a small curvature on the surface of the plane or the curvature of the plane itself?

21:52 That Segway hit me right in the face

This channel is such excellent quality. But when you swore around the 21 minute mark, you made it look like a home made amateur movie. Your work is excellent, truly some of the best around. You have the opportunity to make your work appeal to the professional field more fully by simply dropping one word. Trust me when I say that when you present your portfolio of work to a boardroom, you don't want that kind of language in there. It takes it from highly researched, professional work - to low brow home movie. Remember, your work is something for you to be proud of. I have no doubt your future employers will watch. Do you honestly want them left with a bad impression? Never let anything put your future promotion at risk. You make great work. Keep the standards high

can you talk about the james webb telescope in details for your next episode?

Just subscribed thanks for your hard work keep up with your exelent work

3 things 1. I've heard that the F-35's stealth technology may be countered in less than 10 years which isn't good considering that its meant to have a service life of 40. 2. Can you please do a video on the Saab Jas 39 Gripen its quite an interesting fighter plane. 3. and love the videos they are very interesting.

I guess I don't have to tell you that was a great job

where can I find content on the politics?

You are doing animations anyway so why can't you upload that in 4k 60fps?

Whatching it rihght away!

very well reseched video i liked taht you metioned the radar freq range

@Real Engineering Just subscribed, I hope it's just as good as this channel, (but we all know it's going to be).!

Thank you for being an Engineer

A disaster program. Monocultures are a disaster. The F35 is a disaster.

I wonder if they created those huge sapphire windows by sintering

Give me a break! It’s not worth a dime. It is basically unable to dogfight. Can’t fly in rain Is not stealth Has a huge turn around time between missions. This piece of garbage is the Swiss Army knife of planes. It can do a little of everything but sucks at everything. A Russian fighter would shred this toy and the Russian ground to air Missile defences would knock it out of the air with ease. Now try and tell me what it actually can do.

3:05 Dad Joke Brigade, papers please.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. They said very similar things about the F-4 Phantom. We don't need a gun! Gun dogfights are old school and you're thinking backwards! The pilots learned the hard way they still needed a close in weapon system backup when confronting the much more maneuverable Mig 17s, 19s and 21s. The other thing that has always bothered me about the Join Strike Fighter is the jack of all trades mission. Again this is something the USAF and the Navy should remember from their own histories of mediocre performance machines attempting to "do everything" and being good at nothing. The idea of sharing 60% of the parts with other branches to save cost over the lifespan of the plane is a nice idea but in the end I fear that this will just turn out to be another extremely expensive modern day Edsel.

I want the one that comes with a V8 and 6-speed.

As a job creation project that sucks in lots of US tax payers money, it's a resound success, as a combat capable aircraft able to go up against a nation that can seriously shoot back it's a .

- Holy crap, somebody who actually properly mentioned the MIC. Good job on that. - "Combining multiple roles" Isn't what the F-35 does. The F-16 and F-18 (C and E variants) are already "multirole" and perform the same role the F-35 will. The F-35 is simply continuing what those aircraft already do (and then extending that capability to the poor Marines). - I'd also add, that the cost of developing three separate airframes is far more than a single airframe with three variants. Code, sensors, stealth and cousin parts significantly reduce costs compared to wholly designing a new aircraft. You were able to compare the protractors and detractors on the maneuverability side but sadly didn't do so here. If you need any amount of proof that having several different aircraft is more expensive, look at standalone developments like the Rafale or Eurofighter. Despite them lacking the advanced sensors or technology in the F-35, they cost way more both in PAUC and APUC measurements. - I like how you pointed out the protractors and detractors of maneuverability. Basically, there are two types of turn fighters. One turn fighters, and two turn fighters. One turn fighters are built to immediately point their nose/weapons at an opponent and achieve the first shot (F/A-18, F-35). They're characterized by very high AoA capability. Two turn fighters are built to sustain their turn rate, and use E-M theory to overcome their opponents (F-16, F-15). This was the "fighter mafia" ideology. However, significant studies by the USAF in the 1990s showed that the most significant factor in winning a dogfight is firing first (which two turn fighters are bad at doing). Not only did USAF studies point to this, but later experimentation with German Migs proved just how far behind in the WVR game US E-M theory was. HOBS missiles proved to be by far and away the most dominant WVR technique. Thus, we come to the F-35. It combines the lessons learned by the USAF (E-M theory is outdated), becoming a one turn fighter (like what the USN has been using) and incorporating HOBS missiles along with DAS (360 degree targeting) to create by far one of the most advanced WVR fighters to date. - On the F-117 shootdown, the radar was not modified to use low wavelengths. It was a normal X-band targeting radar. The battery commander has since walked back on his claim that he modified the FCR (which doesn't really make sense in the first place). The far more logical explanation is a very smart placement and operation of a radar battery, combined with knowledge of exactly where the aircraft would fly. Even then, the radar didn't pick up the F-117 until its bay doors were opened and basically on top of the FCR. In other words, the FCR was looking inside the aircraft rather than on the stealth optimized outside. - Your F-22 costs are a bit off. The overall APUC (per the F-22's last SAR) is $160 million. The last lot of aircraft reached an APUC of ~$120 million though. You could also include more modern 4th generation aircraft into your comparison. Depending exactly on the block or model, F-16 bl60+/F-18E costs are around $70-$80 million, while the Rafale costs ~$110 million and the Typhoon costs a bit more than that. And these are all fourth generation aircraft with far fewer sensors, less powerful sensors, and little (or no) sensor fusion.

How big do you think the instruction manual is?

With regards to the radar used in the Battle of Britain. As it was so new, and primitive. In what ways did it benefit the allied pilots? Since the pilots did not have a direct feed to the radar data? I imagine it like having broadband before computers..

What a waste of money. All that spent on stealth knowing in was ineffective. A lie to the U.S. citizen and tax payer. It obviously to anyone paying attention that each service would have been better served by a dedicated aircraft. And now stealth is worthless.

Many people misunderstand stealth and what the F35 was designed for. The F35 will come into its own when the right situation arises much like the B2 did for a decade or so before being used in the Bosnian war to great effect. The A10 and the Apache were all panned for years until the right conflict proved their worth.

Patriotic propaganda ads are the best ads

Isn't that price normal for fighters? Also, this is a value judgement, engineering can't answer that

Can a gyroscope be used to balance an aircraft without the use of wings and flaps

humankind sounds so stupid, it is OK to say mankind.

With the rise of drones this plane probably won’t be as important you’d think.

*BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT* I'm gonna miss that damn sob

13:30 Annoying background music. Did not finish.

The F-35 is useless with out the combat weapons system, Just like Donald Trump, Everything with a little bit of British in side it, is always Great ;-)

I'm surprised how cheap this really is. A small paved road project is more expensive here in seattle. What do people want a dollar store jet?

It doesn’t even have airbags.

1st ) The F-35 is a ( UK - US ) designed and built Jet NOT just US. 2nd ) The F-35B is not worthy of the Harrier the Harrier is a 70 - 80's jet the F-35B is a 90 - 19's jet so 20 years between them if the Harrier was built today it would be a lot better then the F-35B. 3rd ) The US needed the UK to help with all 3 types A / B / C of the F-35 like BAE Systems and Rolls-Royce. 4th ) The F-22 is not the best jet in the Sky's that title goes to the Eurofighter. 5th ) The F-35 like the F-22 is not the best the ( UK - US / F-22 ) Its fast and good turn rate but not the best ( UK - US / F-35 A B C ) yes can do a lot of stuff but not great at one ( UK - Germany / Eurofighter ) Its faster then both better turn rate then both flys higher then both better dive/cilmb rate then both and can do all what the F-35 and F-22 can do plus more the only thing the Eurofighter cant do is take off vertical.

Most american planes are incredebly ineffective, and now they make this useless gloryfied toy costing 115 mil. When you can get a slightly worse performing aircraft for 4-5 million

"nothing is undetectable" why cant we find MH370?

The F-35 is useless, old radars can detect all "stealth" planes, no matter if it's escorted

but can a fighter wing detect, pinpoint, and engage before it's already destroyed them?

It is worth 115 million or more only for the IMBECILES who are gallable enough to believe this crap is the only one state of the art tech worwide.... For the most intelligent govts and gov's advisors, the better option would be the SU-57..... only the eeuu's cock suckers would by this piece of shit

F 35 junk is the expertise to crash in ocean

Yes it is.

Your segues to Curiousity Stream are always as smooth as an F-35's contours.

just make another plane around a gun and have the same brrt, then name it A-10 2

jack of all trades master of none.

The answer is no. The stealth has already been rendered useless. And without stealth, it is just a "meh" plane.

Would like to see a comparison of other modern fighters of this era to see if the value makes sense. (Typhoon, etc)

I feel like this plane is a true life representation of the stuff that went on in The Pentagon Wars movie... "We want a troop carrier... with a turret, and port holes, and speed, and a heavy machine gun, and armor, and ammo carrying capabilities, and a few missiles" "That sounds like a tank..."

A large portion of the cost is campaign contributions. Bribery is so common with congress that nothing gets done without it. Want to fight climate change? How much cash you got? Ditto with infrastructure. Why do you think the USA leads the world in mass shootings and school massacres? Campaign cash. Dead school kids don't give bribes, gun companies do.

It’s not the most expensive weapon at all. The B-2 costs 2.1 billion each.

jaqs smith okay but that’s the project cost not the unit cost.

the f35 is projected to cost 1.5 trillion over it's service life.

The biggest aviation disaster F-35

F -35 Enter the Market !!! China :- Dayyum ,let me reverse Engg it.

Two things worry me about over reliance on stealth. Firstly, in the arms race between sensors and aircraft, aircraft have a far longer expected time of service, and far longer development cycle. Secondly, a significant portion of the stealth capability goes out the window once you start strapping fuel tanks and munitions to it, meaning for proper stealth it's limited to internal storage. And of course, for the munitions, that means opening hatches and a significant risk of revealing itself whenever opening fire. Good, perhaps even great, odds of getting the first strike, but I'm hesitant if it can handle being outnumbered, which through a combination of hefty price tag, high maintenance costs (and skill requirements), and rumored maintenance man-hours/flight hour seems uncomfortably probable. (Keep in mind with the price tag, in practice it's not so much about cost-per-plane, so much so as cost-per-operational-availability, at which point the f35 looks even worse.) And of course, for offensive missions, getting in undetected and getting out are two entirely different things.

Nah, China made something that is roughly the same outline, that is instantly going to be far better, just ask the Internet.

Stealth = Highly compromised vehicle. Giving up aerodynamics. Maneuverability, payload and range. Is also not actually stealth capable due to it only being invisible at certain carrier wave's a fucking disaster.

Did the project really inject money into the economy, or did the government borrow that money?

I would of just went with the gripin e

I thought the F-22 development was more expensive.

A10,s are staying till 30,s This shit is old shit typical limey.

Whenever I hear "cost saving measure" I know it's gonna be trash

First off, the F-35 was NEVER intended or designed as an "Air Superiority" aircraft (do some research, don't rely on false/BS reporting). It's a "Ground Attack" aircraft, thus a replacement for the A-10, Harrier, and F-16 in it's ground attack mode/variants.This is why the US Air Force has, and maintains the F-22, and the US Navy the F/A-18. The F-35 replaces neither of these aircraft.

Find people who aren't biased. Who gives a fuck what someone who works on it is gonna say. They aren't allowed to say it's shit. The one person who isn't in the program said it was shit.

Wonder how long before china can make the fake cheaper one.

You did not talk much about what maybe is most important in a modern fighter aircraft: Electronic Warfare. I'm sure the F-35 has lot's of it built in, most of it classified and not common knowledge. Also, EW systems needs constant upgrades. With old EW tech (5-10 years) you will not stand a chance, no matter how good your fighter aircraft is. Listen to SAAB.

Just another example of how the Government robs the taxpayers while they let the poor sleep in the streets .

Well done

This one is just full of garbage that could have come straight from Lockheed Martin PR. Tells about advantages without informing that those "advantages" still don't work. Example: the "great sensors that would make even an unarmed F-35 an asset" are actually blocked from being able to send information to US networks because as one person responsible for these network put it, "F-35 acts like a virus infected machine on the network, filling it with false information such as non-existent targets". His other claims are equally odd. He for example states the long debunked claim by stealth proponents that Serbia used "long wavelength radar" to detect and shoot down F-117. Except that it didn't. We know this because the commander of the unit responsible for this event, as well as one F-16 shot down among other things has written and been interviewed about this event. They didn't actually use any non-standard radar. They simply survived long enough to learn appropriate tactics, first on how to survive US anti-AA tactics, and then how to successfully engage, be a real threat and finally shoot down US aircraft bombing Serbian targets in their area of responsibility. And that shoot down event was all tactics. This is one of those cases where this is just a garbage story full of a mix of Lockheed Martin PR efforts and just plain "I have no idea, so I'll just let the first google link to tell me how it is". Which is why you won't find a single link that wasn't a part of the billion-grade Lockheed Martin PR campaign they announced to their shareholders when first massive negative news about supposedly "almost ready" F-35 hit the press back in early 2010s. If you really want to know how badly F-35 is performing, about the only reliable source that isn't under strict PR lockdown by Lockheed Martin's massive PR efforts since then is Government Accountability Office annual reports on the program (and a handful of leaks that pierced the PR campaign). And they have been scathing. Lockheed Martin's solution to most of the problems being found in testing have been to literally cross it over and state "this isn't that important of a problem". Because they simply have so many problems with the aircraft, they don't have time or manpower to solve most of them. Which is how we got various variants of F-35 declared "combat ready" years ago. Remember those events? The A variant that couldn't fire its gun because its stealthy gunport had to open and would increase drag so much on the side that aircraft would be immediately pulled off target before the gun could be fired? All variants that literally were blocked from sending any data to network while "combat ready" because from network's perspective they were a virus that destroyed integrity of the network with massive amount of false targets they would feed into it should they be allowed to? The supposed air superiority aircraft that could not sustain it's maximum speed for interception of the target beyond about 10 minutes, because its internal weapon's bays got hot enough to cook off its own missiles? Just to name a few out of literally hundreds flaws mentioned in GAO reports over the years AFTER these aircraft were declared "combat ready" under massive pressure from Lockheed Martin so they could increase production volume, and hence, profits. And those earliest "combat ready" versions that are so massively flawed that they will likely never seen any actual combat beyond the "protect the king at all costs so we can pretend it had a combat sortie"? That Lockheed Martin promised when they were declared as such that they will be "updated to latest standard when it is done"? They'll never be updated to purportedly coming "really guys, this one will be combat ready, we promise" version that is still in the development according to the latest information. Just another one of those promises Lockheed Martin PR campaign made to get money that will never be kept. This one deserves to be on the wall of shame for Wendover. Write about things you know, not about things you have barely any cursory knowledge about, that are just massively saturated by a billion-grade now almost a decade-old PR campaign. Because you'll need to put months of work in if you actually want to figure out what's actually going on with program, rather than just cite all of the PR, because that is what's going to be search engine optimized.

If I had $85 million I could retire my whole family and invest a huge chunk of it for the long term.

Knowing that even poland is buying some, they managed to get allies with shallow pockets to buy them.

Designing this to bomb 3rd world countries... What a waste of money.

This needed to be done for NATO. China and Russia have been making huge astronomical gains by weponizing their military defense mechanisms and 5th generation air superiority fighters. Let's just hope that nobody opens their mouth and divulge classified information...

The better question to ask is, how soon it's gonna be obsolete?

Dodge that quantum radar MACH 5 missile F35!

Simple answer is no Its over budget Wriddled with flaws And Germany have tracked it on their new radars from 100 miles out.... and that was the f35as version So it's a stealth fighter that is no longer stealth And before all the armchair pilots pipe up . Germany's newest radar tracks electromagnetic emissions in the atmosphere. Meaning that no matter what happens to this plane it will never be stealth. Nor will anything else above germany . Simply stating germany here as they were the first to use this type of radar, I'm sure other countries will follow suit So all in all it's a stealth fighter that has lost the element of stealth .

The $115 million figure does not include the engine cost. The engine for the B is over $30 million.

​@James Monahan sorry but the only thing I can find is "For the eleventh consecutive year, the cost of an F-35A was lowered. The F-35A unit price including aircraft, engine and fee, is $89.2 million." As for Pentagon, or countries like Poland buying engines separately, you do need some in storage. The fact that it can doesn't mean it has to. How do you think plane communicated with the ground in test flights?

@Admiral Firespammer The F-35 also uses an uplink to a satellite to communicate with anything (including link 16). so i'll add "satellite not included".

@Admiral Firespammer AW&ST Magazine


I hope not...1 jet could have helped 115 families for life. (unless they are bad at managing money) Making about 20k or less per year...I wonder wtf people with 500k+ do with that money? I just read books and play cheap games off steam for entertainment. I don't go out much. I live in an apartment with roaches, rats, mold and bedbugs...I don't have a family and starve from time to time...I have insurance...but...I am about to let it go.. the deductible is too high and I get better deals when I say I don't have insurance.

The A-10 Wart Hog is my favorite plane ever. Can get part of its wing blown off and is still able to fly. It will be sad to see it go.

Nice plug at the end

12:35 Well of course he has good things to say. He is being PAID by his employer!!!


"Short of physically not existing, everything is detectable'. Lmao

this STILL cant beat a taliban with ak47.

mmm war and killing,no matter what we humans achieve,we simply cant leave the need for killing!

But does it go BRRRRRRT? Didn't think so

at least those jet were make in the USA

Quantum Radar - the next generation radar system which can detect and scan in so much details passively without been detected, and shoot SAM at F-35. So much money been spend, at the end there is no added advantage.

One plane won’t replace all of them. U can’t replace the f22 air combat with the f35. Ever.

My goodness that was a long-winded lecture. I realise that you get payed by the minute watched, but it's coming to a point where I'm not going to watch the whole video anymore, and there is a significant inhibition on my side to even start watching.

lol fuck no

Why is this channel Telling the SECRET to the World?!!!! WTF!!! China will Copy this Shit!!!!

115 million US$, used to bomb old Toyota trucks

15:35 he or she?

Not necessarily hating on the video except for one thing, you did claim that the version of f-35 that lost simulation against other aircraft, but any pilot would agree, the f-35 is an engineering marvel when it comes to electronic warfare. not only with the aircrafts numerous external peripherals bit also like you said, the airframe helps in this area a lot, obviously banking at an angle that's directly perpendicular to a radar will always give away its location, non the less its almost perfect and supersedes any other aircraft in terms of low observability. I am not at liberty to give to much information about the recent joint military exercise "Operation Talisman Sabre" because no information about simulated dogfights during this operation has been disclosed, however i can tell you that there were numerous aircraft across the board, including other 5th generation aircraft and 4th generation as well, and simply to put it, blew them out of the water.

21:57 Source: The entire Irish Air Corps . I'm dying

I have a lego plane that does that and it only cost 80bucks

Please ditch the music.

Those prices makes me understand the sucess of sails the Embraer A 29 is reaching. *A 29 is a light attack/patrol aircraft, is not a fighter or a bomber.

A 29 is for counter insurgency (COIN)

Nah the USAF is keepin the Warthog

F35+F22 = SU57

it is generally a better idea to give away budget on spreading out jobs not save on one fighter but have to give away initial claims. use your brain, it is a good thing - dont forget to use it

Wow it's a jack of all trades... master of? Well one plane fits all .. should reduce the development costs and gain economies of scale in production.. right? crickets

Wrong numbers. For the max take of weight the B has only 27.216 kg, not 31,800 kg. Thats for the other two variants and even that is 49 kg to much. And most of the weapons can't placed internal so byebye stealth. Also just the A has a Gun. Same mistake mad by the F4 Phantom. So tries do do everything and can do nothing good, but with all the costs.

Isn't the Eurofighter 100+ mil as well?

15:00 those greasy thumbs on his visors make me cringe so hard

“Jack of all trades, master of... all of them” Riiight

NO Master of NON

Comic Book Guy Except cost

The t-35 may use its complex curves to avoid detection. I however use my complex curves to be detected

Heard that the F-35 can be "easily" spotted with passive radar.

Not if you turn off your transponder

Is it worth it? If it does what it is supposed to and keeps comming back the entire war it is fighting, than yes. If it doesn´t come back, the pile of burned metal it leaves on the ground definitely isn´t. Most of the missions the strike fighter will do, is ground attack on protected targets. Stelth is indispensable as any shell or rocked for a 1000 $ will bring the F- 35 down. Unfortunately a new kind of passive radar was able to track an F- 35 all the way to and from Berlin Air show by just plotting the electromagnetic sources all around the place. They describe the tracking of the F- 35 as looking for a black cat in a dark garden. You just have to look for the darkest spot moving, for a black hole within the relative darkness. The same problem was met by IX-529 Sea Shaddow back in the 1990´ ies. It could be seen on any conventional radar system as a black hole in the water because at it´s place there were no wave echos. So any hostile nation that get´s hands on clever computing technology will be able to achieve what Serbia did back in 1999 when they shot down an F- 117A. In the next war the F- 35 will not meet fighters designed in the 1970´ies but those designed in the 2000nds, like the Eurofighter Typhoon, the Dassault Rafale, and the Saab 39 Gripen which have already proven to shoot down F- 35s (with ground and airborne radar support) at a 1:2 ratio. In WWII Germany never was short of competetive aircraft, but short of fuel to operate them and, during the last year, even short of capable pilots to operate them successfully. The F- 35 will find its limits, too. (money, pilots, aircraft, spare parts, ... )

What a incredibly stupid title,, The very simple answer is of course not, II can buy a ton of lemons for about $2000,00 a deal at twice the price

A-10.... Air Superiority... comon man...

As per usual, you're saying a lot of stuff that is right. Unlike normal you're also saying a lot of stuff that is, as far as I know isn't right or isn't completely right. I thought I could look past it earlier in the video, but it keeps pulling me out of the experience. I only made it about half way through before I had to stop. There is so much information out there that has been interpreted and reinterpreted over and over again, resulting in reports about the plane and what it could do being often inaccurate. I've seen it happen with myself, I've seen it happen with some of my best airplane geek friends. This plane is still a mess though, make no mistake.

There are a multitude of other issues with the F-35 that are not known to the general public that limit its effectiveness as replacements for the multiple airframes listed throughout the video. The biggest of which that is public is the installation of the gun.

Boeing x 32 looks like a water Toad. The enemy will die of laughter than from scare!

there's a $100mil surcharge to EU member states for imperial to metric conversion.

This video sounds like a commercial. Even their own project info showed a clusterfuck of problems.

How come they lost from f16's ?? Lol

At least this wonder can take off and land

A quite interesting movie was actually made named something like ''Pentagon Wars '' or ''Bradley '' ! And Lockheed Martin could setup a manufacturing/outsourced unit in Cambodia or Ghana ,......the aircraft will barely going to cost around 5 million per unit ! Costly but much cheaper than the one made in USA !

@dosmastrify...If one isn't familiar with the abundant information sources on the F35, then yes, it would be good. That said, all information presented here is simply plagiarized, word for word, including all video, from others work. Unique is not the word I'd choose

Thom van Dijk pure roundness actually scatters radar waves favorably. The f35 combines planes to deflect waves away from the radar, with some unevenness to scatter/weaken the waves. This is why stealth fights have these crimped sides on them, along with favoring using chines.

$115 Million jet to be destroyed by s-300 under $1 million per missile?!

You lost me with politics goodbye

Hopefully, we use this as an example of "What not to do when building a new fighter jet".

The only thing that shouldn't be done is treating it like a jobs program. Everything else was correct.

history of "humankind" ?! Are you a from Canada? :D

A drone is waaaaaay cheaper. And will shoot all those things down.

What a mess. As a professional engineer, I can imagine that the level of job satisfaction must be dismal. At least it provides lots of jobs for the yankee doodle dandies

I often see the F35 as a tie fighter. flashy but worthless in real combat. if you make a jack of all trades with modern military equipment you are making a shit at everything machine.

Failed...get over it retarde

It's pronounced Marine "Core"

I hesitate to watch your vids because of your titles. I hate titles that pose a question and don't even attempt to answer the question. Also when you compaired the thrust of the f35 v harrier, the masses of the planes would have been great to see there in stead of only appearing a minute later


27years to produce unusable piece of shit....interesting .

It looks fat


No it's not worth it. Beautiful electronics wrapped around a mediocre aircraft.

_cough_ I doubt the F-35 is ever going to replace the full capabilities of the A-10.

Did he just say the ah10 was an air superiority fighter?

One bit of clarification or, rather, context for the layperson: Radar does exactly this, sending out signals and listening for a response. However, this is not like Sonar or listening for an echo in a canyon. Radio waves are a form of light and travel, unsurprisingly, at the _speed of light_ . Radar pulses and listens extremely fast. The image of the slowly-rotating radar dish is really a thing of the past when it comes to military radars. Radar is much more like shining a laser at something.

I´ve read that the F-35 has already been detected by some german, indirect radar system. I am not an engineer at all tbh, so correct me if you know it better than me

Many issues with facts in here. Latest cost of an F-35a is $90 million and dropping as is the cost of the B and C models. The JSF program might be 27 years old but the F-35 is not and is significantly redesigned from the X-35. What was said in the report about the F-35 and the F16 5 or so years ago was not that it lost a dogfight with an F-16 but that in the prototype state it was in that it could not match the F-16 in certain envelopes of flight at that time. If you look at some of the manouvres being done by the F-35 demo team you would know this argument is no longer the case. The F-35 is not meant to be a replacement for the F-15. The F-15's replacement was supposed to be the F-22.

At an altitude F35 can develop attitude

let's hope that the coating is not the same as the f-22, the plain is high quality but already detectable slow etc, so to expensive. A 50 million 5th generation or 4++ plane does the same or even better.

In one book a I read (it was sci -fi) that USA start selling masivly military grade guns/planes etc. And at time of war when one nation tried to invade USA they dissable all thei weapons and shut down all planes etc. Cuz they secretly put "extra" stuff in it just in case something like that. I dont wanna go full conspiracy theory on this, but its kinda common sance... when you sell your best toys to allie in this time, how you can be so sure about it in 5-10 years. You would probably put some back doors in it.

WTF is that gal doing with these cables at 2:03?

Of course NOT . Military expenditure is simply a way to Steal a Countries Wealth from the People

Euro Fighter Typhoon >F35 but the F22 is the GOAT

I would be asking for a 3D nozzle if I was buying them. It makes the Russian a/c very manurable. Pratt and Whitney has them developed in the 1980's for the F-16 and F-15 but wasn't actioned.

Wow if there're F22s still in production and commission, how much will that worth??!!

This "furtive" technology has never really been tested against real player. I would like to see one of those planes go trough an air space defended by French, German or British systems. Of course it can pass the Russian systems, how many companies of high tech has Russia or Serbia?.

Answer = no this disaster ain't worth shit


F-35A is less then $90 million

F35 stand no chance against the MiG or the Sukhoi especially in a dog fight.

All it takes is one S-400 AAA Missile to bring it down.

not realy because stelth dosent mean invisible like in harry poter books or movies

The helmet is so heavy it can break your neck If the plane sits on the tarmac for more than 10 mins it overheats The pilots to sing its praises are on Lockheed payroll and NOT independent military pilots On the inside, the F35 is better know as 'the little turd'

us gave its stealth...know tht it spent billion of dollars behind research of stealth..i wud give them anything fr "stealth".

should have just made f22 lite, use the existing airframe, improve the equipment and software

a hundred million dollars against multiple shudnt evn been talked here

drone craft instead or?

27 years. That's as long as I have been alive!

Truely first class... The editing the background music... Just perfect

Seamless bridge to curiousity stream :D

And thus the serbians wrote the song "Nismo znali da je nevidljivi F117 a - We did not know stealth F117A is Invisible"

Lockheed Martin and the USA owes Australia for this massive rip-off that is the F35. There is no doubt in any sensible mind that American politicians and corporate scum have wasted and embezzled billions of hard-earned Australian dollars to eventually complete this farce of a plane. Fuck you America, we follow you into Vietnam and Iraq and this is how you repay us. We deserve half-price and priority delivery of your overpriced piece-of-shit plane. BTW: Russia were willing to sell us the export version of the SU-35, we should have taken that offer. Better plane than anything USA ever made. Ever.

Let’s build a common plane that has no common parts. We will save money, they said. Lmao

As its striking your mud hut village just look in the sky and think what a excessive cost and force that's if you survive the initial strike.

Awesome video, but.... most expensive weapon's system? You might want to look into submarines... $100 million? Try $100 billion...

17:45 Get out of here STALKER

Is the loitering time still an issue? I read that the F35's loiter capability was only two hours compared to the Warthog's five, making it greatly inferior for close air support of troops on the ground.

Had Congress decided to get an additional 70 F22’s Lockheed had sold them for 72.000.000 USD a piece... so NO the F35 is not worth 85 millions per plane, it should be around 65 millions. But that would require that every nation bought twice as many. So we are stuck with the elevated price tag.

To receive a proper return on investment you need to kill 5,000 to 10,000 enemies

What engerneering ? This whole video is opinion. I can't watch AmDocs.

No aux input or wi fi, crap

Someone get the narrator his Lucky Charms...

The A-10 Warthog will always be my favourite.

Trump will have it down to 2.5 million in three tweets....

the program probably costs equalling a small country's total gdp..the kind of country US would use this technology against

Russia and China have left the chat. Just kidding comrades, calm down. Cheers!

Now the russia and china can copy it. Thank you, pal XD


27 years innovation. Sell one of these to allies of china and within a year china releases a copy of F-35 and sells them for 1/4th of the cost that the USA is selling

dude.., why is center of pressure is not always a convenient concept in aerodynamic ??

Boeing X-32 looked like a water Toad being horny.

15:50 — those two twilight shots are aviation porn to me

The F-117 in Serbia was shot down by anti-aircraft guns not by missiles. A lot of guns being used to saturate an area.

Thanks for the video, I'll take six!

OK, how much did LockMart pay you to make this video. The F-35 can NEVER replace the A-10, it is absurd. There are other errors, but after a howler like that, is there any point in listing them?

This is great and entertaining 101 video but it has some flaws that may be overstating the capabilities of the F-35. I'll summarize them: 1) The plane is extremely digital and computational. 10 years ago, you couldn't even see any pictures of inside the cockpit but I heard that it was all flatscreen/touchscreen maybe. From the shots you showed, this is the case. This means though, that when/if the electronic systems are down due to hits. How does the pilot operate the plane? Can they land safely? You can smack talk pilots being stuck in "old mode" about acquiring targets, and how air to air combat is conducted, but in an actual war, you will take hits. You don't want to be flying in a glass bird that can't land because it took a few stray rounds. 3rd-5th generation aircraft are capable of landing after taking hits, this one probably can't. 2) You talk a lot about the advancements of technology in developing the stealth surfaces and coating for the plane, but have you considered what the same computational advances mean for detecting stealth aircraft as well? I'd say it's much easier to detect a large bird flying somewhere in the ballpark of 200-900mph than it is to hide it. Nothing else in a war atmosphere will be that size (radar cross section) and moving that fast in the sky. I'm sure when dealing with enemies that haven't made radar advancements since 4th gen, perhaps you could be near undetectable BVR but I doubt even a 5th generation plane would be totally caught off guard if given modern radar modules and equipment. 3) Honestly, this plane simply does not replace all missions of all other aircraft. F-15E is still one of the most capable planes that can strike ground targets while still capable of defending itself. A-10C is still the best close air support (CAS) plane for ground fighters against heavily armored ground targets. On the latter, while the F-35 may be able to enter a space undetected and deliver payload to a specific target, if supporting ground forces in an active battle, once that first flyover, it's detected and basic IR guided missiles from the ground can pick it out of the sky just like any other aircraft. In the absence of anti-air, can it carry as much payload? Delivery it as quickly with repeated passes(loiter)? 4) Consider the politics of the JSF. It feeds into the military industrial complex of the U.S. You mention how much of a boon this will be for the economy - this is a lie. The cost and development of this jet (billions) could easily pay for so much more to boost the economy of more than just working families of the major defense contractors and subcontractors on this project. But the executives at those contractors want those dollars so they will sell this plane to the US govt and justify it's existence at any cost, while being paid for with US taxpayer dollars, and the profits of sales to other countries will go to only the executives of said companies rather than their workers. I should note for other viewers: CuriosityStream seems to be a conservative source of information. Based in some in some science, reporting, and fact, it pushes a conservative agenda overall. I like military planes because I've always thought they were cool and I've spent a lot of my life studying them, flight simming them, etc well before I had progressive views on war and industry. I can still appreciate a war machine, but since 4th gen, the U.S. hasn't really made an airplane platform with a mission focus and simplicity and effectiveness in mind -- and to be honest, maybe it doesn't need to.

I think it would be wiser to create many cheap, niche platforms than one expensive, multipurpose one. I would rather have a fork and a spoon rather than a spork. Do one thing well, not 2 things badly.

I especially dislike the idea of replacing the A10 with this. I want something specialized for ground attack. Replace the a10 with something cheap, but like an a10. Something with high capacity for weapons and can fly low beneath the hills and slow.

So when can we expect to have flying aircraft carriers for drones like those in Ace Combat games?

f35 never replaces the a10

Is crAk worth $50 a point

Waste of time (24 minutes to be exact)

without forgetting that one F-35 was humiliated by Syrian air defense officers who fired an S-200 missile on it over Lebanon on October 16, 2018, so her future ended before it began.

I had my doubts,...but you sold me

A F-35 stealth fighter crashed in the Pacific Ocean during a training mission on Tuesday, Japan's Defense Ministry said amid fears that the accident was caused by technical defects.


Imagine spending $115 million on a plane the Bruce Willis can take out single-handedly on a bridge...

you can never take away my a-10

Does most the world actually care about america

Are most of americas military service personnel just dumb as fuck, homeless or clueless

Why haven't you done it yet lol

How hard is to kill a stupid a american president

Are there hookers in sandy hook

Are american kids worth jack shit

Is radioactive material easily to put into american water reticulation systems

Is ebola easy to spread in american cities

Lift fan is a Russian design ✅

0:37 “history of humankind”. Lol. Okay Trudeau

No way cheaper.

Also, I feel like there was no way to "not cover the politics" in this, because the argument that all the money going back into the american economy is just inherently an argument for the overblown american military industrial complex. The biggest question is - do we NEED something like the F35? did we NEED the 117? We spend more than the next ten nations combined, all to be ready to fight an imaginary war that hasn't happened in getting closer and closer to a century. All the while, we're neglecting our infrastructure, educational system, healthcare and wages. Essentially arguing that the F35's "being better than it could have been" is like saying "well, I bought meth instead of groceries, but at least I didn't just burn the money!" So no, the F35 wasn't worth it. injecting those billions and billions of dollars into american infrastructure and healthcare would have been a far better use.


The F-35 cannot replace the A-10 for its close air support role, its super expensive, doesn't carry the same cannon, and doesn't have the same survivability as a A-10 with its mechanical redundancy and the titanium tub. For other roles, possibly a perfect plane, but its foolish to throw such a expensive plane into a role that would most likely see its damage and failure.

Is The F-35 Worth $115 Million? No. In absolutely now way is it worth $115 million.

Union and lucrative contracts drive up the costs for the taxpayer.

A lot will still change

I disagree completely with your argument that the F35 is a "worthy" successor to the A-10. Close air support is not something the F35 is going to be able to provide in the same sort of way that the A-10 has. Every time they try to "retire" the A-10, the massive outcry to keep it flying brings it right back, because it's brutally tough, relatively inexpensive, extremely maneuverable at low speeds with extended loiter times, able to lay absolute waste to the landscape with combined arms fire (the GAU-8 can suppress in a way that nothing else short of a spooky can) and since it flies so low and heavy, works as a ground level morale booster for friendly troops and demoralizer for enemies, all on its own, by its mere presence on a battlefield The F35 can definitely support it, but I highly doubt it will supplant the most nightmarish close air support aircraft ever invented. It's just like the idea that kept coming up in the 60's that fighters just didn't need cannons anymore, that dogfighting was dead, and aerial combat would happen at tremendous standoff ranges. It just didn't happen. Fighters are still going to get in close when the need arises, and the A-10 serves a very niche, specific role that nothing else has come close to yet. The most likely plane to replace the A-10 will probably be a turboprop powered, cheaper, lighter weight close air strike fighter. What we need is something even cheaper, lighter, and better able to deal with asymmetrical combat scenarios in a way that laser guided weaponry just can't.

gotta say though, the VTOL layout looks kinda like yak 38 and yak 141

CANADA cancelled their order.

Of course the hired"in house"chief pilote,will give a positive report on this plane,we all know that the F35 is a difficult plane to trust,many flaws,just like the F22(that cannot be fixed)(Major O2 problems,with the"raptor"above a certain altitude,no "fight"without a tanker close by/What fight...???)...).....Long life to the A10/F15/F16/F18.....!!!!....

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@Arthur Inglis RAM is never blanket countered. Its just 'reduced'. At current, fhe F-35 and F-22 can fly up to 20 miles to a S300 site and not be picked up. In 10 years inhancements to conputer aided resolution of the return signals may boost that radious to 40 miles. In either case, the stealth is never negated, just reduced in effectiveness. But note how its still effective regardless. At cruising altitudes of 35 thousand feet, one can hit targets with free fall bombs using guidance packages from 70 miles out, so even if detection ranges literally double their effectiveness, the Stealth of the F35 still wins out when used effectively.

Something to note is that Boeings entry in the JSF program focused zo heavily on cost reduction that they failes to address performance and kinematics effectively. The VTOL capable demo for example coult not perform a vertical take off during its demo showing without the aircraft literally having pieces removed before flight to lower its weight, including the entire Intale Cowling lip. The 'Guppy' was visually even to onlookers, overwieght. The Lockheed entry flew its vertical take off demo without any such modifications. Boeings choice to focus heavily on cost of production put the performance of the aircrafr second and the DoD pickes the F35 for its performance. On top of this, Boeings attempt at attacking frabrication costs probably would have failed anyway. The entire wing section of the X-32 was a single piece composite structure. It was the largest of its type and very ambitious. However, the issues of ever getting such a large complex mono-piece to exit and the autoclave without any major defects was neight impossible and in the end, the failed. However those lessons learned did contribute to the 787 dreamliner, which uses the largest autoclaves in the world at Charelston SC. The F35 of courses uses composites as well and while it never uses such large mono-pieces that the X32 did, the autoclaces for the F35 are the 2nd largest, being only 2 inches or so less than Boeings SC plants. Both planes really pushed carbon fiber and composite airframes into the modern life, thats for sure.

The MacDonald's of "fighter" planes. You are clueless. The internal fan design is updated Yak-36/37 concept. "Stealth" was invented in the USSR too. This fancy pile of junk is worth no more than 500k in materials and assembly. It is also single engine, so this tells you right off the bat what it's intended purpose is - to stay as far from the action as possible, namely - docked. It does not replace the F-16, A-10 nor the Harrier in any sensible way.

One word not worth it. It was late into production by at least 10 years.

12:08 - "Missing software..." Irrelevant point. Dogfights happen, and will happen even in stealth/low observable aircraft. Your software and sensors and radar and IRST can't see through a mountain or ravine or a valley of earth. Pilots routinely fly in these to avoid detection. 12:13 - "Missing radar absorbing paint..." That's... not a positive. Paint on aircraft, especially RAM coatings, put on hundreds of extra pounds of weight on the aircraft and affect performance negatively (albeit slightly). Also, IR seekers don't care if you're invisible to radar, your hind end is emitting thermal radiation like its going out of style. 12:21 - "But these other pilots like the plane..." 1.) Not an argument. 2.) And as we see in the case of F-22 pilots that whistleblew about the oxygen generator issues ("Raptor Lung") on the aircraft, talking ill of multi-billion dollar weapon systems is a sure-fire way to prematurely end your career. And isn't it interesting when it's not someone who is connected with Lockheed, nor in a high position that starts involving politics as well in the military (like a Major overseeing integration of a mult-billion dollar weapon systems would be), and doesn't have the not-as-proverbial-as-you'd-like job on the line that they start quietly expressing concern. The fact that Lockheed is dirty as hell and has been involved in multiple bribes, corrupt business dealings and outright illegal activities (see the Lockheed F-104 deal with Germany, for a major example)... Forgive me if I don't trust a single word coming out of their mouth. Especially when we have a mountain of evidence showing the shortcomings of the airframe and the entire point of us having this program was to "save money" and we're doing anything but that.

Now start Real Politics for stuff like the politics of this jet please

Real Engineering Geico insures the military China insures large properties and building projects(Miami newyork downtowns everywhere)

BUT IT HAS NO CHANCE AGAINST THE SU-57, BREAKING: Russia’s New Stealth Drone Performs 1st Joint Flight With Su-57 Fifth-Generation Plane Sep 27, 2019

There is NO "short coming" is dog fighting skills... that is bullshit. BAD VIDEO...

This peice of Junk s now being manufactured in Israel as well, yep Israel that wonderful Nation that has already sold secret US fighter jet engine vectoring technology to both Russia and China, not to mention shit load more their supposed allies secret Tech LMFAO

Fake news out of the gate. F35 is now ramping up production and cost is around 85 million each and will go down even more. Keep in mind that the F15 cost is around 100 million each.

F-35 is shit...!!! Just say it...

So its a high tech flying brick. Sucks at dogfighting but can snipe other aircraft out of the air. I guess that makes up for the crappy dogfight capability

"but ALL of its allies" what allies. We've alienated ALL of them.

Our eyes are always looking at you America. Cheers from the Balkans :)

Isn’t this the plane from gta sanandreas?

Ofcourse the US pilots sings its praises its a 1.5trillon weapon system the pilots woulnt be pilots for long if they didnt like it. The F-35 disaster it what happens when goverment and corporation merger in a corrupt system designed to steal as much money from the US tax payers as they possible can. When a F-35 cockpit screw cost 150 times what a F-16 cockpit screw or a F-35 pilot helmet cost 400 times what a F-16 pilot helmet cost then you have to ask youself wtf. When you look globally at other next gen fighter jets you can also see the price difference. The Russian Sukhoi Su-57 program costed 20 times less and the SU-57 fighter is pretty much better in all aspect becuase there designers didnt had to put 3 planes into one. We can only hope US and EU never gets to war with Russia because our entire F-35 fleet is going to be exposed as an expensive paper tiger. The only use we can get out of the F-35 is to bomb middleeast countries with old anti air systems but we seem to be running out of those.

The real question is, is it better than 3 Sukhoi Su-57 or 6 F16s?

12:21 "Like U.S. Marine Corpse..." oof

No, no its not.... Hugely profitable by 10 times yes it cost 10 million to produce...

The amount of technology that goes into this plane is crazy while India is flying Jets from 1960 and getting owned by a country Pakistan of quarter of it size.

and Russia (and China always rely on Russia stealth technology). The US literally just sell the planes to themselves.

The monument of american corruption.

An absurd and complete waste of an airplane one want's it! It is truly amazing to see how Ignorance prevailed over Technical knowledge. This airplane is the worst airplane flying on any army today. The concept is such a stupid design idea that it must have been rejected by any decent engineer as a total idiocy. Of course money speaks louder and there it is, a monumental failure of design. Imagine someone going to Yamaha and saying : look, I want a motorbike chassis and engine that will be used in multiple Racing conditions, and the races are going to be : 1 - Offroad Cross and stunt jumps 2 - MotoGP 3- Trial Oh and also ... 4 - And everyday use on road trips. go on ..make that Single bike! I bet engineers would laugh in disbelieve ... but that was approved by USA politicians to support the MIC zionist lobby. Amazing Stupidity!

Definitely not. No one is paying that kind of money. Australia has 100 on order and has taken delivery of the first 20...four years late. The contract price was A$85m each. With the current exchange rate at US$0.67 to the A$, thats US$60m each. In the contract, for every year the deliveries are late, the price goes down by $10m. Its a bargain.

This clip tells you nothing.

How about the f22? I feel like thats a pretty good prize-value plane

I like the ways you explained things, you spent 1/3 of the video to introduce stealth technology. Very nice of you to mentioned the F-117, F-22 and B-2.

who cares. its bought with paper pieces printed by the people buying it lol

Nobody cares. Things cost whatever you pay for them.

BTW, all Marines are on NAVY ships.. The Marines dont have their own ships per se, but ships they are assigned to. MARINE = My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment...

cant match the raptor.

Whoa whoa whoa, America isn’t the only country to blame for inflating prices of military equipment to get funding

We definitely can't dedect planets billions of light years away, at that distance, even Galaxies are just a blurred blob.

A piece of junk. Try our hypersonic DF-17 and DF-41 express. Delivery to anywhere in the US in 30 minutes or less, or your money back.

F-35 is developed from soviet Yak-141. Nothing more that tuned up version of a 40 years old concept.

F-35 is the evidence of US dumb decisions. No one is going to buy a "stealth" plane on peacetime like this. Most nations buy planes just to support the ground units, not to mention that most of the cases we are fighting terrorists that have right next to none advanced-armaments. The only one who needs "stealth" planes the most are the US, China, and Russia (and China always rely on Russia stealth technology). The US literally just sell the planes to themselves.

This is why ladies and gentlemen, we always going to have war. It's an insanely good business for some.

the price of a F-35A is 89,2 millions which is 0,8 millions less than the Eurofighter Typhoon with a 90millions price tag while not being stealth, having the same thrust (60kN x2 vs 120kN x1) and a worse avionic and maneuvrability at full load because of higher drag due to wing mount compared to the internal weapon bay and even at full bomb load under wings the F-35 have a smaller RCS than an empty F-16 no other plane in the world can do what the F-35 does... in some areas it's better than F-22 aswell of course in some other areas it's worse than many other planes but the future is stealth because those who have the first look have the chance to down the enemy first... you cant be downed if you cant be detected and even when detected you need a lock on with a system accurate enough to provide guidance to a missile and low frequencies radars dont allow that.

Re the big comparison between the capabilities and difficulties operating the Harrier via the F-35 . I feel there should have been something said about ' the Harrier (though developed) was basically a 1960s aircraft' via a much more modern design (the F-35). Try comparing a 60s car (pre ABS, pre seatbelts, pre ECUs etc [yes these things did exist but where NOT in common use]), with one that is in development, if not in common use, today.

russians will develop better radars in less than 10 years, and f-35 will become the biggest disaster of the american arms industry.

no need for that, google "Vera NG", it's a czeck system for passive radar (!); it can detect both "active" (..use the radio and you're a blip on the screen) and passive signals, like flying into a certain area, the VeraNG can detect changes in the magnetic field - thus detect everything in the airspace. The system is so sensitive, it can use the GPS- and other satelite-signals as background to detect disturbances. conclusion: the "stealth-argument" is almost irrelevant. ...the F35 comes 27 years too late to be of use.

Thank you for a detailed and informative video...but please.......don't replace the A-10!

Fine, I'll take two. Can you park whem on the lawn please?

Soulds like a cool plane but im wondering why we in the Netherlands need this?

In short: NATO. While developped for US AF, USMC, USN, it was also developped for the UK. Since they reduced their orders (even canceled?) for the F35 in favor of the "to be developped" fighter by france, sweden and uk (gosh i can't wait to see a draft of that one, gonna be a hell of a plane!), it was decided to sell it to all NATO-partners (incl. PfP). ...with certain "incentives", to get some sales... So Nato-partners in europe can choose from Typhon OR F35 to not get ...certain disadvantages by the US within NATO. (many countries would do better with Gripen or Rafale than Typhon/F35, but look at the "decission-making" that happenes AFTER they selected one of these; eg. Austria: "Eurofighter-Skandal", Switzerland: "Papierliflüger-Scandal" (Paperplane-scandal, where the same "experts" and organisations advertised against Gripen as in Austria), OR turky (...want a US-plane and being a US-partner? Buy what they say to buy "or else")... Now even Germany thinks about getting the F35, --> while the Typhon they already have actually can do the same tasks (just a little better) than the F35... Conspiracy-theory? Maybe, maybe not; question is "how many singular cases following the same pattern actually confirm the existance of said pattern", right?

@Rhino saur more like the US forced us to buy them to re enforce US power over Europe while we're a small nation that doesnt need such military tech.

Unofrtunately We still need an airforce for defence. The F-16 is becoming obsolete and the F-35 is a great replacement. The biggest drawback is it's cost, which is the result of a bad development phase.

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