How to Succeed As a Woman in a Male-Dominated Industry with Judi Fox
Hey it's Noel blue here and welcome to bloom TV you're. In the right place if you want to create a business that makes a difference and live. A fabulous life. Do, you want to create a business in an, industry, dominated by, men or. Maybe you're currently building a business in a male-dominated industry, if so. You are gonna love today's, episode, you, know today's business, climate is slowly. Starting to transition, from being male-dominated. To actually, embracing, some equality, however. Women, still face an uphill battle and rather. Than being, discouraged, by that imbalance, we can actually use those disparities, to. Motivate. Us to succeed. And that's the exact, conversation that I'm gonna be having today with my very special guest and her name is Judy, Fox she's. An environmental, consultant, who has over, 20, years of experience, providing. Technical expertise, on complex, multimedia. Environmental. Issues and sustainability. Initiatives. And she, has experience, working with fortune 500, companies and has. A very, diverse, background that, includes manufacturing. Mining. Power, paper, mills petroleum. Refineries, and painting, and coating operations. And she's, going to share some job dropping stories about her experience, working in a male-dominated industry, and some. Of these stories I mean you're gonna have to pick your jaw up from off the floor because. They are so shocking. If there's. Anyone, out there who knows, how to navigate the business waters and a, male-dominated, industry it's, Judy so I'd love for you to join us in this conversation as we talk about how, you can succeed as a woman, in a, male-dominated industry, so. Let's dive in Judy, thank you so much for joining me today I'm so excited to have you on TV, I'm. Excited, to be here know. Today's. Business. Climate is, slowly, transitioning. From from. Being male-dominated. To embracing, a tad bit of equality, but there. Are, still many many challenges, that women face when, starting, and growing a business in a male-dominated industry. And even. Though, we're moving in the right direction we, still have an uphill, battle and I, think that you are the perfect person, to it because, you. Our doing business and a male-dominated, industry and the last time we talked I was just blown away at, some, of your implied to some of the things that you've experienced, and I have no doubt that through, our conversation, to me if someone is going to be able to take a tidbit of information. Apply. It to the business so that they can navigate, the, business waters a little differently to get ahead so, thank. You again for, being me you're. Welcome I'm glad to be here and yeah. There's pockets I would say of where women, are. You. Know finding, that balance but, there's still pockets that, are not, yeah. So, what, is your you know corporate, background I'd love for you to get into why. You start at your business when, I was, on your website just poking around like, stalking you I'm like Jimmy check out Judy box um you. Have things like you have a lot of education, so I would love to know, what. Your background is investment, so people know where you're coming from and and. I. Love free to get in he why, you wanted, to kind of start off on your. Own thing yeah. So I got. My degree my undergrad. Degree in chemical, engineering and, then, I got a master's, in environmental, management, with. A sustainability. Focus. And NBA focus, so, kind. Of back up when, I first was getting my chemical, engineering degree I worked, at a petroleum, refinery every, other semester during, college and that. Was pretty intense to show up as a female and, an extremely. Male-dominated, industry. And be the only female an entire, you. Know almost an entire facility. I was the you know the, only one headed out in my my, suit and my hard hat and my glasses and. Then. I went to work out in a mining, site in California. And it. Was again. Extremely. Dominated. By a lot of men I'm not there, it isn't to say that there aren't females, out in the industry there just at the time this, is back in 1999, and 2000, when I first started that, there, were. More. Females, maybe coming out at the same time is me into. The industry when I graduated, there were a lot of female chemical engineers in my class it was almost 50/50, which, is getting you know really great yeah. I'm the. Thing that's to note is there weren't that many ahead, of us though, to look and say all, of the leaders, ahead. Of us in the companies that I was looking at in the industry, I was working in there, weren't those female.
Leaders Who were in the same roles. Or, industry, that I could see ahead of me and say oh I wouldn't be like that or I want to do that so, yeah, so it was like you were. Growing to be the example and kind of pave the way for women. Coming behind you, does that is accurate, yeah. And I think one, of the things that really stuck with me was, my. Dad took, me to work when I was 17, he took me to his office and he introduced. Me to several. You. Know professionals. In the, he, was an engineer so, he did expose. Me to the engineering, world and I did meet a female that, was working her way in her, you. Know upper, management, levels and he introduced me to her and she's. The one that gave me the glimpse of she. Was getting higher in the environmental. Management, world, so, I said I think that's what I wanted to do so, it is helpful, for. Women to see other women, doing, you. Can picture yourself doing it for, me just to meet ten. Men, not, to say anything against men but I couldn't, picture. Myself doing it until I could see her oh I, love, that and, I, think it's so important, as we start to get into some of the success, strategies, and just some tips for women to kind of take with them along. Their journey as they you know go, into, these male-dominated. Industries, one thing that I wanted to talk about specifically, was finding. Mentors or, looking up to other women who have been where you've been but in your case especially early. Um you, know they, were all coming in with you so the, fact that you did have someone, to kind of look up to obviously. Made a big difference for you and. Another. Thing to know some. Women may be discouraged. Because maybe they cannot. Find those, women who are in the industries and then what, I would say to those people is that, you can be the example, right so, keep. Growing, but, what you know learn we have to learn you better be quicker faster, be, more knowledgeable so, that you can. Sort. Of prove yourself. And then, be a light for others and of, course we're gonna talk more about that, in. A, little bit because I think that in these mellow dominated, industries, women have to do so much more to save recognition. That. The men get right well. I think, obviously. Programs, like yours are out there, and this, is this work is needed and all the podcasts and all the interviews. That are happening -, how. Would how, would Xyz. Person, down the street even a woman who lives right down the street from me she might not know that. We. Either work or she's an engineer but she just thinks she's alone so. To. Have these programs and - for you to be making this program thank you yeah. Thank you yes and and, again, I appreciate you being here and I think it's all about starting, a conversation, around. This, and how, women, can. Use. Their strengths, and highlight, what they're good at and cultivate, those skills in order to differentiate themselves so, I think this is the perfect Converse conversation. The more we all come together and shed light and share secrets and tips and just sort of open, the curtain to what's going on I think that, can start to begin to just bridge the gap as we start to have the tools to be able to navigate the waters so, with. That said why, don't you. What. Made you want to kind of go off and start your own consulting. Or you, know kind of break away from the pack, what was that. So. Basically what. Happened a lot was the, the. Recession, in 2008, really hit the building and construction industry which, is what I was in so. I that. Industry, got hit really hard I, got, married at that exact same time so it all like happened, at once and then, I was. Um, just. Faced with a lot of different decisions about where I could go and what kind of flexibility. I wanted and I, wanted, that flexibility. And I I do want to say there are women. Ahead, of us but like, I mentioned there's there's. Not that many so. To find that one, person or, to find somebody ahead of you is it it's like finding a diamond in the rough for you you do find them but, the other thing I wanted to note, is that before.
I Say you know exactly about the consulting, is, that, sometimes. You find the women ahead of you and they. Have. Had to make sacrifices that, you say to yourself I'm not sure if I want to make that sacrifice, to. Make it in that male-dominated. Space for, them to get ahead so, that's when I kind of looked at it and I said at this moment in time I want to carve out more of my own path I want to have the flexibility, as I have a family. As we. Have more options to, move and be location, independent yet. I can, be that if I have my own consulting firm and if. I do, remote, work, and if I can. Try to build that up so that's where the desire came from in the first place because, you. Know again. I kept. Looking at the models, in front of me and all the models in front of you looked. Somewhat. Um, just. Restrictive, yeah, and they they looked really really boxed, in in a way that I was like wow that's not gonna give me it's gonna make me travel away from my family it's, gonna have me. Working. Maybe insane, hours and it's, gonna I, just, couldn't, see out of that until, I said, well then there's only this option at this point. So. You talked about a little bit how those women were making sacrifices. To sort of get ahead and you couldn't. Look at them as an example and, say you know what I see what it took for, her to get there yeah. I'm not quite sure if, I want to make those sacrifices so, you tried to be, creative, in the way that you, branched. Off and built your own people's business, and so from, your experience, or what you've seen out there for those women who have paid, that way what, type of sacrifices. Have you you, know off the top of your head have, have. You seen them sort of a grapple, with I. Would say first, every, single person is different so what, could be a sacrifice, for me might, not be a sacrifice, for them I just. Need from my personal perspective I wanted, to have more of a balance of what I saw, happening, with, some of the women that were ahead of me so I saw them at. The office long hours, I saw them not, being able to make it to some sporting events, of their kids or just having, to. Negotiate. Having. Full-time care for their children, because they were traveling. And their spouse was traveling, so they had to have either a nanny staying overnight or. You. Know if they've got two high-profile. Careers, they. Both. Can be gone at the same time and. I think the other thing is the higher you get in my. View, of what I saw happening, the, less you have the option, to say no to a meeting, or to win. Something gets scheduled, so a huge, board meeting, gets scheduled, and it's right when your child is having their amazing you. Know end of school play and you're. Saying to yourself that I want to be at the end of school play and that would mean so much to me and my child and, it's just really hard and. I didn't I didn't, want to end up I thought what, I saw that, I didn't want that yeah, thank, you for sharing and he gets important, for us all to know. What, we're willing to, sacrifice, in. Business. To try to get ahead and I am a firm believer that. You can, have. Success. Without, sacrifice. And when. I say sacrifice, I'm talking about. Sacrificing. Things like your family, your health your happiness, in. The for the sake of business and I do think, that there's a sweet spot in between there and that I'm not saying that you know you're not gonna have to compromise on some things to get ahead but when, you think about what's most important, to you your core values your, family, your relationships. If you, can draw that line in the sand and ask, yourself how can, I get ahead, in business and. Still. Hold. On to what's important, and I think when you start to ask those questions you. Can start to bring creativity, into. Your business and say you know what how can restructure. Things to. Fit, my lifestyle, I think not enough people ask that question and when. You are growing, abuse or slugging a business in a male-dominated. Industry. It's. Important. That you look, beyond those, masculine. Stereotypes. Of how you have, to work right and I think is women, bringing. That creativity, to transform, our businesses into something that will work for us is the, key to getting a hit so you know, thank you for elaborating. On that lifestyle, aspect, and being, very clear and deliberate on what you want it I. Yeah. I I know you probably have another amazing question but I want to make sure to say this that. When. You're starting your own business in, any space but especially I only you know specifically, know this space that. It. Wasn't, clear to me that I knew all the relationships. That you could build with other small, consulting firms and. So. I don't think either, people, out there understand, that or know that so if you're able to go out as an independent consultant but.
Build Relationships. With lots of small consulting, firms you can actually have a thriving business that, they. Can't always staff and so. They can pull you in as a subcontractor. Or, you know cuz people ask me all the time well how does this work how do you how, do you become an independent consultant and. Yeah. Yeah. I think the networking part in and doing, more to well, debate those relationships, is very important, and. As. I interview more and more people it's just coming up that we all at. One point we were all proud to say that we owned or. Operated sort. Of like a one-woman. Show, now you can work for yourself and you can be the only person maybe with an assistant, but what, I'm saying is that when, you branch. Out and you start collaborating. With people and you. Will start working with different people it, changes, that perspective, and a little bit and I see when, you start to interact. With people in your industry or even beyond that you. Start to cultivate those relationships and, it can definitely help grow, your business so get. To Nina and then yeah. The last, time, talked you. Mentioned. That. When. You were, starting to venture. Off into your own and you got kind of some, feedback, from people I don't remember it was specifically males or. Or. Women, but can, you talk a little bit about what, type of response. You kind of got when you decided you know what I'm gonna go off-roading, I can. Definitely, show, ya. So. It was pretty early on at, some at, different points in my career I got feedback, I mean everyone does yeah. And at one point and it was mostly a mixture, of. My. Boss at the time so, I was working for the corporation that I was working for and my. Boss at the time he said let's get a management. Consultant. Because, I think you really could get, pretty high in this company and you know we could promote you to director. And then you know he had a whole like he, had a whole plan mapped out for me which was, amazing. And that spoke volumes, to me and, I felt so honored, to. Go through this program the. Feedback, however, that I got back from this program, was so shocking, and it, was, really. Focused, on my, external, presentation. Which, I. 100%. Support, improving, your speaking. Abilities, improving, your. Presentation. Skills to, large. Audiences, and, if you are putting on PowerPoint, presentations, 100%, you need feedback but. The things I was surprised about was I needed to make my voice more gravelly, I need to just sound more male I needed to pull in a more male tone. To. Prevent. And to, talk during meetings, and to either, sell consulting, work or to talk. To, contractors. That, I needed to change my voice and they were gonna have me do. Voice lessons, and then. Yeah and then the other thing was I needed to have a makeover, they. Needed my hair to be shorter, I think my hair was about the same length and they thought that if, I had put my hair and cut it really short that. I could, then make more. Of an impact again, it was all about, overall. The entire message, kept, coming back I needed to fix my makeup I needed. A tone it down or make, it different, so, I could come out again it's, every. Single thing kept telling me I was like do you not want, to me to be myself and, I was told very specifically, that when you go to work you can be an actor, or an actress and, then, you can put on a face and then, you go home and you can take that face off and I was like I can't, I'm. Not that good of an actress. Right. You could only be Judy that's it, and. So I was also told I was too happy, too bubbly too joyful. Too, too. Excited, to do environmental, consulting, work and I was like oh. That's. A lot to take in basically. People are telling you you could be this and they were telling me you're so smart you can do the work we know you can do it but, just fix your presentation, to make yourself more like a man and then, you'll be fine and you'll rock it you'll be amazing and I kept saying well I can't do that so, is. I'm. Gonna be successful it's got to be still. Being myself I still want to be excited, and bubbly, and happy and. I. Sell. So yeah I don't I don't. Really I haven't faced, the roadblocks, that I think, that other people face because I also believe, in. The end the, feminine, energy of, creating. Relationship. I'm not saying men don't create relationships, but, there's. A feminine, energy that I bring to the table that is different, than what all a lot of the, male, energy coming out is and I didn't want to make.
Myself Non, authentic. Right. I couldn't I just couldn't do it I couldn't live in that space I spent a couple weeks crying, and then I and. Then I, decided. I was just gonna take. The advice and say thank, you but no thank you right. Wow just just, the thought of having to do your makeup different cut your hair for I mean. Obviously you love your work but yeah. And. So to have that pressure, to try to conform, and be someone, you're not I think many times that's why we start our own. Businesses. In the first place so we can see how you want we can. Put. A specs on things at weekly for important, so we can be authentic, to ourself reading our whole. Selves. To the, business, and I think that's a way to differentiate, yourself if you're bubbly if you're excited, if you will, really geeked out about your work I mean whatever that, is it's true to you when you bring that into your. Business, but if it's selling if it's marketing, if it's doing Facebook lives or if it's just having a consultant meeting that's, what. Makes, you unique and I think the fact they were trying to strip you bare of that um. Just. Um really, did, you a disservice I'm, happy that you took, that time and space to kind of big things over cry it out and figure out you know what this is it for me yeah. Well. And I think because I had the push back inside of me saying this doesn't feel right I don't I don't want to go hire a voice coach I mean I don't what I didn't want to do some of the things they were asking me to do and I said of course. If I need to hire a voice coach to, get, up on stage and present, to a thousand, people and that is a different, type of voice than I need to project that's. Different, but my voice, in, general, of Who I am and what comes out of me I was, like I'm not changing all that I can't, I can't process a different, person and channel, a different person inside of myself and I think the message to other. Women is that. We. Get these pressures. In a vacuum, and no, I didn't know that other women might I still, don't know maybe there are other women who have had business, consultants, come back with that language or, telling. Them they need to change their look and change their appearance but what I kept coming back to was each. Relationship. That I make at any corporation. At any company that's a, human being and if. They, drive. Whit and we get along and we connect, and they trust me it's about trust they're, not gonna trust a fake version of me right. So. And. Then I'm gonna I'm gonna show up in a way that they're. Gonna get the funky vibe from me right, and then I'm not gonna win the project and I feel like I've been able to show.
Companies. And especially, you know I'm working at a women-owned, business. Now so it's all focused on you. Know we bring a different energy to the table but, you. Know we still we all know what we're doing just. We're. Making relationships, and like. Almost like we're friendships, that last forever, so. Yeah. Yeah, I love that you've segwayed into that because that's exactly what I wanted to get into so what has been so, you mentioned, that you are working. With. A lot of women and we talked to both previously, about how you teamed, up with another woman and you guys started to collaborate, what. What. Type of differences, have you seen as you kind, of were working with majority. Males. And then now including, more women. Is there. Like a stark difference if, so can you share it maybe what that might be. I. Mean, I think I'll just start off by saying I think I'm smiling. A lot more, you. Can smile, it's okay to smile when you're around other women but yeah I, mean, that's not it's really silly but I feel like there's there's. An energy, that I mean, I'll be honest, I had, a really tough thing happen. With um you, know something personal and, I, came to work and I wasn't feeling um. You. Know myself I, wasn't, you. Know really. And I. Was honest, and I, feel like sometimes I've, been in these environments, that, are so. I'm. Not saying anything against the people the people are amazing the individuals. Are amazing. The culture. Is where you start getting these systems. In place that you're not supposed to cry, at work you're not supposed, to have any emotion, at work you're supposed to come in and be, a rip well we're not factory, workers right. We're we're, knowledge, and we're we're whole, human beings and we're more creative, and we're more energized, and we're more engaged when. Things, are going well in our lives, yeah so, yes. There's gonna be you. Know five days a week and out, of those five days maybe you might have one day that is kind, of a crappy day and that's okay and I feel like that is more accepted, in the environments, where I've worked where I. Most recently, where I have interacted, with you know more women saying. Like, hey okay, you're having a bad day go for it yeah. But take, what you need, because then you, actually get through things faster, if, you, actually layered, instead of stuffing, everything down and not being treated it you, get through your, whatever. Issues you're having you get through em faster yeah, I love that and something that I thought about as you were talking if I went to a um, I went, to a networking event and a, woman. I was a little piece of paper she got this piece of paper and she crumbled it right she. Crumbled this piece of paper and then she put a smiley, face and, then she turned it around and she was like you, know this is me so I was used me as an example she said you know like it would be something like this this is me I'm the well I'm always happy, I'm always bubbly, I'm enthusiastic, you. Know this is my identity personally. In this little knot and then. She was just kind of saying how we, walk around with, that face, and we.
Think. We're supposed to be XY and he you know um in that, ball. And she says but this is just us just compressed. And then she said but this isn't you know so it's. Like you really know well no, well is this and then she, was using her name but she started to unravel the. Paper and, that. Was her full, self so I think. That what, you're trying to say is that way that you're just more comfortable to be you, as new, alongside. Other, women and I think you're right it's all about the culture and the systems and that culture that make it easier to maybe. Open up about certain things but I think at the end of the day we wanted we want to be around people who treat us like human beings and I you're right some, are bad, days well. You, want to hire consultants, that treat you like you. Are the individual, person to and I feel like that's what we bring to the table as, a, women-owned, business, in this environmental, consulting, space oh my. Gosh should we bring. I'm. Not trying to say that there aren't other companies. But we have a lot of empathy we, have a lot of connection. We have a lot of you're. Now going to be with us forever. As long as we're here you're here like and we. We. Take pride and I'm not saying again other companies, do that too but, we have the freedom, in being a small women-owned, business, to do it yeah, and to bring that whole person to work right, there's no pressure for you to have to look a certain way talk a certain way act a certain way present, a certain way and I think that's, the beauty of owning your own businesses, you can take what. You loved about, where. You've been and then keep. That and then incorporate, new. Ideas, a fresh perspective and I would love to talked, about as you. Start, as, you're working in this company. What. Type of things have you. Or maybe the other women what have you both done to. Sort of differentiate, yourself. From night. Not just smells. But, just in, general right. Yeah. I think um. You. Know it speaks volumes. That this company's you, know the the women who. Started. And you know every it's like an evolution, so I became, an independent consultant in. 2012. So. My journeys different so I have another woman ahead of me who's been doing an independent consultant she, she's, the one that has, been this women-owned business, since, 1996. Wow that is a really long time, and I think what speaks volumes, is that the clients, have stayed, consistent, they, are. Giving, us more and more work, that. We are we. Come in in a way that is not. Aggressive I, don't. Know if other when. I worked at other places. I just had there was a tone of of. Pressure. I felt like and this, one has a tone of, um. It's. Just relaxed. In a way like when, you need us, you will call us kind of like when. You know that, we exist and we want you to know that we exist and then you. Know there's a sense of you. Know we want to be, of service and, we want to lift you up and we don't need the spotlight, and you're. You're. Our spotlight. Are gonna shine all of our light on you how, can we help you what, can we do and I'm, again, many. I'm sure there's many consultants, herbs out there but we have the kind of nimbleness, to, to. Offer that, in a way that is very personal. Yeah. I love fast thank you for sharing so I feel. Like I made did I answer your question completely yeah yeah no it was great thank you, so, when. I so, I would, love to start talking about some, success, strategies, some things that you think. Would. Work for women today who, are in male-dominated industries. And I'll of course chime in too but. Maybe, if there, are. Women. Who are wanting to start or maybe they are they're already in the industry they're, trying to grow it maybe, industries.
Like Technology. Science. Engineering. Of those type of industries. Can. You give, us maybe three. Strategies. You think. Women. Can kind of take and apply. To their businesses, or maybe just their lives to. Help them better do. Business, kind, of get ahead. To. Be a male-dominated, industry, like I said there's many many challenges and all those things. Are trending in the right, direction you still have to be filled and I think right, now as women's were called to rise and, to do things differently, so I would love to know from you maybe a few things that. Someone can take away from this conversation and say you know what I can start doing that differently in my business whether it's giving permission to do things differently because that's something else we talked about laughs. Right. Yeah I, feel like um you're. Right there is a sense that like women. Again. We're generalizing not, always like but, there's a sense that I even, felt early in my career that I needed permission to. Be. Different, than everything, I saw around me and everything. I thought ahead of me and all the management I saw had I mean I almost felt like I had to feel bad that I didn't want to have that light that I saw ahead of me and some, of the sacrifices so again I wanted to carve out more flexibility. Support. Of being a whole person so. I think the main thing I would say for women. Who are coming. Up in the, stem. Industry, in stem field, first of all find other, women, ahead, of you that are willing to even just. You. Know you don't need a ton of their time you don't need to ask them millions, of questions but even if you could just get on one phone call with them and say. Can, I just talk with you would you be willing to have a 30-minute. Conversation and. I. Think. That would do wonders because it only took maybe a 30 minute conversation when, I was 17, years old to be aware that there was a woman in environmental, management for. Me to even know what existed, so, and I've have had those conversations a, night I love, some of the women I've talked to one that was just graduating with her Environmental Management degree and, I, was telling her a little bit about what it might be like coming out at the beginning in this, industry and it, has changed, since I've started.
But. There's still challenges and, I think one of the other things is. Another. Strategy is to stay, true to your voice don't. Let the noise get to you and stay. Confident. You have to keep up with your industry, knowledge but. The, other fit. Topics, you don't have to worry about like I forgot, this tip but early. On I was told I should learn, more about sports, I either, need to learn how to play, golf or I needed to learn how to talk. About football and I. Said I just don't follow football I'm, not nothing against, it I just I don't go to football games I mean I will go. I'll. Probably go with you but I love more. Being with the people I'm with so. I don't really go to a football games I'm dying to see a football on there for the people and the snacks and the atmosphere, and the fun so. I, got, this message early on that I needed to know what was up in the world of football and, be conversant. In it and I say own. Yours. Your. Hobbies, own your interests. Don't try to get swayed into thinking you have to know. Typical. Male interests, to be able to go to a business meeting was. I was told I needed to learn those, of their subjects so I could sit at a table full of men and have a conversation. That. Bad is just crazy, and. What. What year was this like, how dozen was this that, was probably somewhere. Between 2000. And 2005, right. Oh my gosh I'm just I think. What, was your response to my I just. See, that's the other thing I learned to shut down my voice so I did, not, I, learned, to not have initial, responses, to things yeah, because that became, my either, coping, mechanism, or ability, to not speak up so, I've learned I've had to relearn. Or unlearn, the behavior, of not speaking, up quickly enough and in. Those instances you should, say something or you should say well I appreciate, that advice I know you're trying to come from a good place because, I truly know that that person wanted. Me, to have success, and. In, their view they thought that I would not be successful if, I couldn't sit at a table full, of men and, talk. But I ended up being just accessible, because I can talk about other subjects, and. Other things that are interesting to me and happen, to be still interesting, to men I mean why would we think all men only, want, to talk about football that's it yes, so. It's. Such a stereotype but, very interesting how there. Are those stereotypes, still out there thinking. That women would only want to talk about women. I, don't know what a woman. Thing is, I. Don't know I mean hair Anita but I mean why would we be talking about that. Added at, a table with men I don't know but I, it's. Just for, me I think, just. Going to conferences, with marketing and injustice there's, always a lot of men and I. Mean although, I'm bubbly, I'm fun I bring a lot of enthusiasm to, my work I still. Mean business, and sometimes when I'm talking with hmm, you know like, I, mean, business and I'm a little bit more outspoken but I mean just to hear some of the things that you public, with is just. I mean just, mind-blowing that you have to change. Your voice do your cut your hair this way or learn. To learn, different, topics, or adopt different interests. To sort, of fit in to, the male stereotype. And I, mean. I'm happy that you came out on the other side and just decided to, cultivate. A business that in corporate, or work in businesses that incorporate. All of who you are and it seems like you have had such an, amazing experience, so far so, yeah. The, great thing is is there are so. Many you. Reach a point where you know that nobody, is a stereotype. And. I create, great, relationships. With men and women so I mean I love men and yeah, first. Can we put that out there they're awesome he's, not bashing minute, oh I love them and, I have. Great relationships. With them I think the, last piece of advice that is kind of on our. Strategy. Which may be other women have to poke it or have, to grapple with is there is sometimes, that energy, that comes out because, a woman, is showing up in a very male-dominated space. And they, get hit on or they get, inappropriate. Advances. And it has happened and, you, it's. I think just even mentioning, it and talking about it and the fact that it's coming out in the news and I think what's. Interesting is. That of course. We didn't say anything because, I, didn't. Necessarily know, that. There was a place to say it and. Some, of it was very um, it. Just simple, like being whistled to at a job site and. By. Simple I mean it was just like really quick and it just happened and you. Know I'm like I'm walking, through I'm trying to do my work I'm here for an environmental audit, and to, make sure you have everything in compliance and you're not polluting, any waterways, yeah.
So Please, don't whistle at me and. You. Know it's just really I. Don't, know if that's a strategy or a tip or it's just putting a little bit of light on it that, it happens, and then if it's still happening we need to keep speaking up because, I think it does, need to be aware and I've heard, sometimes. Men say well. I don't know what to do in this age of me, too and how do I act and I'm like just treat everyone right, professional. Like, it doesn't need to be complicated and, if you do ask somebody out because it does happen people, do interact. In the workplace and that person says no then. You just accept it and that's. It it's so simple, right. I think the borderline, is you treat women with respect period. Yeah. Or you, open, yourself, to the possibility, of crossing the line and in this day and age of course you don't want to go there you know, it's it's the wrong time to. Want. To be cute in the workplace when, show, you, know women that type of love like your brace you know maybe someone has connection but there's there's always a way to go about that end I. Think, understanding. That. There's a boundary, there and no one you need to cross it so men, need to educate themselves period. So. That's you know what I have to say about that and yeah. I hope I didn't get too off topic but it's rather than it's. Part of me it's, being, it when you're in a in, a manufacturing, environment, and, you were the only female walking, around that they have seen in like three weeks or, something that you just you. Get all the eyes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah no it's, not off-topic at all in fact it's on, topic, and something again that we as, women need to talk about and if, you've, been mistreated. If mishandled. Have. Felt a certain way I think speaking up and knowing your rights and, just how you should be treated because I think many times we just brush it off oh it's no big deal you don't want to make a big fuss out of it it was just a whistle, but I mean just continuously.
I've, Seen many women. In the workplace just, not wanting to deal with and I think the more we speak out, it's. Kind of showing people hey you you're not gonna get away with this because you're gonna come across the wrong woman and that's. Gonna be the end of it for you the only other thing I can think of is that it would discourage, women, coming, into the field to know that. There is some support in that way and I think hearing, from somebody who's been in it for 18, plus, years that. You, know like. Stay connected to other, women connect with me connect with you you know make sure that, you speak up and it's as simple as knowing that you even know that somebody. Else has been through it that, makes you feel like okay, I got this I'm not alone you're not alone yeah feeling of not being alone is huge and knowing that I not, that I want other women to be whistled to on a job site but knowing. That I'm not the only one, to experience that feeling, and what, it's. Some it's just distracting. And it's um it, causes, you like, you, have all this energy that you're putting towards your work and you when you have a little thing that kind of distracts, you or causes you to go oh like that doesn't feel right it. Is something it's a challenge, and it's like stop, yeah. Yeah I love, that's just that's, just a simple, maybe simple. Example but it gets worse as as the, interactions. Sometimes, get worse it gets, more and more distracting, from the job you're actually trying to do and provide for your family and and do. A great, job at work but you have this over here and it's causing, problems yeah. Yeah. Thank. You and I think to add on to some of those success, tips, for. Me I really, want to see women, and women, not be in male-dominated industries. But I want to see women toot, their, own horn. You, all have skills, you guys you you're smart, you have education and. When. A man, steps, up and talks about all these great things he's accomplished and I've done that and got that award and I've got this client I'm making that much money very. Clearly, do we say, that oh they're, cocky right, but, women. Step out in our. Showing their skills and talk about what they've done even. Talk about what they're willing to do or what they're not willing to do they're. Seen as maybe. Bitchy or just. Bossy. Right and. I think that it's more, of us stood in our power and. Actually. Use. Our voice and were confident, in our ability to figure things out to, learn and. Just. Show our strengths I think that can make a big difference we, talked about using your, voice no, in those times where you, like you were pressured. To do things but you just kind of you, know kind of cope with it but I think the more that we can get, out and not be afraid to shine I think can make a, tremendous. Difference, in. Your. Level of success do you want to add anything to that, in, terms of speaking. Up in trusting. Your ability, I think, it's so true what you just said about, you. Know the stereotypes, that come out when women either see or the other word that came to mind was the word difficult. She's. Just being difficult or, she's, hard to work with or and.
I'm Like no I'm, just a normal person saying, here's my boundaries, and they're healthy boundaries, and I think that's one of the biggest things I've found is, putting up healthy, boundaries, for. A lot, of people men and women healthy. Boundaries are a normal, functioning. Thing but, I've come across some people in the business, world who, have. Never had somebody especially maybe even a female say here's my boundaries, and you are not funny you're not falling within those boundaries, and I need you to step in or get, within these boundaries or there's, gonna be some some, extra. We're gonna talk further or we'll bring somebody else into the conversation, right. I love that end I guess. I think we can go on forever but the last thing I want. To say is that. We. Have to be committed to our work we have to reach, a level of mastery and, like I mentioned at the very beginning many, times we have to know. More. Even. Though the same level, of commitment and, knowledge. We have to exceed, beyond those levels to gain recognition and, when it is so if you're watching this and you're trying to start a business or, you're. Currently, growing a business in a male-dominated industry, you. Have to do more, to pull that same recognition and that's not like that with all industries, of course but, generally. Women, have to do more to be seen and just. To be. Committed. To your work to achieve. A level of mastery to, where you cannot be ignored so yeah. If you want to add anything to that. Well. I was just gonna say just because you are you, have more flexible, hours it doesn't mean I'm working, it like 10 p.m. at night or, six. Or five in the morning it just gives you that option to. Work, some, and I I don't this, is where I personally, have we. Are not built to work every single day, these. Exact, hours, and be in creative, or, complex. Industries, trying to solve complex problems, sometimes. You get an idea at five o'clock in the evening and, you're like that's, the answer for that problem and then you're like well then I can't work on it until 8:00 a.m. the next morning but. What if you worked on it right that minute but, the company doesn't and. The corporation, doesn't value the time that you then spent. Solving. Something and me you solved it and got it and knocked it right out at, 7:00 o'clock at night well, then why I just, don't under. With how connected, we are if somebody. Can do something, and they can drive, at, seven o'clock at night and get something out like a report, and then, come to work a little bit later but do all the maybe social interaction, they need to do or meetings, that, should all work and I just don't see why some, corporations. Are so rigid, and they can't kind of see that so, that. Allows the flexibility. That I was looking for, we. Work hard and, there's a lot of work that gets done but, it can get done in. Different, chunks in different hours yes. Judy. Thank you so much for, sharing, your experience I. Think some, of the things that you've shared are going to show people that maybe they're still working for corporate America and they're thinking that they're wanting, to start their own consulting, form or whatever it is they. I'm, sure, you, are not the only one who's Aquarius, that level of pressure to conform to those male stereotypes, and just to be stripped away of your identity, and have to mold yourself into a new person to succeed and you're a great, example that you don't have to do that you can go, off and create.
Your Own model and don't have to be stuck in that masculine, sort, of energy. That you mentioned, so thank. You again for joining me and sharing, all of, your experience, with us thank. You so much it was a pleasure being here and I'm so, thankful, for that you're making this program yeah. Thank, you Judy so now I'd love to hear from you head. Over to the well glue calm. And leave a comment, let. Us know what. Is your experience, working. Or, starting, a business and a male-dominated industry, did you resonate with anything we've talked about have you ever experienced. The pressure to be someone, you or not again I'd love to hear from you if you, like this video please, subscribe and. Share it with your friends, or community. Thank. You so much for watching as, you're, out there doing your work in the world remember. To have fun, lift free and still, fabulous, I'll, see you next time on blue TV bye. Are. You, on the VIP list if not, you're, missing, out head, to the well bloom dot-com, now and sign up to get free exclusive. Content. To, help you create a business and live. Fabulous.