Autism and Self Employment: How to run a successful business and an entrepreneur | Audio Only
Hello and welcome back to the adult in artistic podcast. I'm your host Tyler, Graham and in today's episode I'm, joined by autistic. Entrepreneur, Jane Marie now. J lead is responsible. For her own income and I thought I'd be really interested to get her take on how she stays motivated how. She find it the pouch she found setting, up her own business and you, know just getting her the voice thrown into this conversation that we're having over hair so. All of jade social, links will be linked in the show notes and if you listen on YouTube in the description, box so. I'm. Jade. Lee I'm, a mental health and Autism Awareness blogger, at Jed Marie Docherty UK, little, shameless plug and I. Actually. Didn't. Know about autism until. I was in my lower twenties, I was, working, I want. Me in the place but I was working somewhere and. At. The time I was struggling. A little but not too not. Too bad with Angela and we, got moved over, to a different apartment for. Two weeks and one. Of the guys there was actually autistic himself I was. Moved into his department, for two weeks and, I'd. Noticed that obviously. I was a little bit different and we didn't quite fit in like all for my childhood, never. Really knew why it, was just sort of like I'm different, okay I'll deal with that and, when. I was in this department I noticed, that this guy was also a little, bit different a little bit more like me, we. Got talking he. Was helping me kind of like adjust to be in the new department for, the, short period of time by. The end of this first, week he. Came up with me at dinner and. He just termina said oh it's, so nice one fellow autistic, working. With us and. I'm just said they're like what's, not istic. So. He, sat, there and explained, it all I think I was left like the whole our dinner break just talking to him about what autism was, and. I think that was either the scuzzy, or the Friday and, I spent the entire weekend sort, of Google in autism seeing, what I could find on the Internet and. By. That one day when I went back by, the Monday when I went back to work I, was, just like yeah this is me I'm autistic I take, almost, every. Box and, it. Was just so refreshing to actually kind of understand. Why. I was the way I was I, certainly. My childhood thinking why am I so different to everyone else and then. To kind of have a name to put to it it was it, was fantastic. What. Were your initial reactions. When he came up to you and I don't know I, was. Kind of confused both medicine else because. I genuinely don't think I'd ever heard of autism before or if I had it may have been impacted. It you know don't get was there much attention to it and. When. The actual start explaining what it was it, was almost like relief. Because. This person was just explaining my entire childhood and openly. They're like teenage years and even my early twenties, so it.
Definitely Relief to know that there. Was an actual needs and where I was like that yeah, yeah. Giving reason, to how you'd been in the past and like the difference, people, pointed. Out but didn't, have our labels oh yeah. Definitely. So. What motivated, you to start blogging around, daughters a memento, ho I thought. Was my mental health blog when I was in my second year of using there I was, doing graphic design and photography at the time and, our. Final project was basically do whatever you like and. I. Love, this kind of project because I thought we got the most out of the way out ideas, and this. One was I wanted to do a mental health app and it. Was kind of like if. You've ever heard of a hack ajar because basically where you put all your happy memories, into. Either. An actual physical, jar or maybe, you write it down you film for example and. It's. When you feel in like depressed, or anxious or, if you're feeling kind of worthless I know I should go on what we're thinking I haven't achieved much and so. What I use this feel mostly is I will. Look at everything that I've achieved or, like the. Fact that I've never got two gigs I've never I've never thought I'd be able to do all, sorts of, things and you just, look at those things when you're feeling down and, it can really help to like put things into perspective, but obviously the, problem with an actual physical, jar is you can't carry that one with you everywhere it would be a bit awkward so. I thought well for my project, I could create an app that, lets you do that on your, I, didn't. Make the actual app, itself. Like. A fully functioning one because being, covered in dog get on very well but. I designed, a prototype so, it did actually you could click through and use it and as. Part of that I'd, actually just found Hannah, gales blog probably. A few, weeks before that so I'm gonna chaired it on my facebook on. Their Facebook profile, and, that's. The first I've ever heard of blogs. If. You just tell I'm not walking the internet really special, agreed then. So. I kind of fell down a little bit all of that leading all her, content, I must to spend like a good two hours on, her side, and I. Thought this is amazing I really want to that one myself and, I, thought it'd be really good to tie it in with the project that I was doing so. Kind. Of wet tight in with the mental health aspect kind, of talked about the projects kind of uses a bit of a diverse and, it. Just sort of expanded, from there and I realized I mean I didn't think anyone was ever going to read it I thought they'd never like be my best friend and maybe a few of her friends and then. Suddenly. I was getting actual leaders, and comments, and people follow me on social media and, I, kind of just sat back and thought oh people. Are actually interested in what I'm lighting and it, kind of just took, off from there to be a little bit more seriously. In. Terms of your like, day-to-day, adult, life now although what you go to what you do, so. I'm actually self-employed. I actually, want to businesses, which I don't recommend pentaiah. So. My I kind of tried to split my. Day a 50/50, between each business and also, split some self-care time in there too so. For example if I've got a, client, at the moment that I'm doing let's, just see a little girl for example because, I do graphic design as part, of my business I will. Dedicate a period, of time to, work on wherever it is I need to put their project, and then. Take. Some time in the middle of the day to just relax, lead. A big vehicle, between a blind kid that kind of thing and then. In, the afternoon I'll then take.
Some Time to do some blog admin so. If. I need then usually your other business yes. My blockage made the business, technical. Updates been my main business but, I don't we limit which money from it at the moment but. That's again. Partly actually assumed my autism because I struggle with communication. And, with. A blog build kind of like reach, out to people you. Know like be, quite proactive in finding collaborations. The. First time I tried to send a pitch email, I actually had a meltdown afterwards, and I was like I'm not doing that again, he's. The words though because it's like you don't know if they're ever actually, gonna respond, so it's like I'd rather rejection. Than a silence, please and don'ts yeah, definitely, I mean I get that everyone's office is busy and you. Know not everyone has the time to respond, but even just like no, thank you we don't work with influences, awesome Picanto, so. If you were blogging. And doing graphic, design what. Would you do, my. Dream. Job when I was growing up and people I'm sure will laugh at this was. I wanted to be a lawyer I. Am. Very good at arguing to. Commemorate. My family, no not just that eyes on me because they will just leave and, obviously. A lawyer - kind of like argue their point and, I'm really good at finding loopholes. Oh yeah. Kind, of like technicalities. Yes, I'm very good at that and I love crime one, of my things I did want to be was, basically. A criminal, profiler, I loved, Criminal Minds growing up and. Obviously. Can't actually do that and so that wasn't really, something. That I could yeah like realistic there was no way of doing that so the next best thing was a lawyer and. My. Granddad pointed out that I would have to defend, people and he was guilty and that. Just put a complete, doctor that I was like no I do, that what's. Involved in the day to day of your graphic design business aside, from creating. Graphics, and. Sort of things like just, generally. Creating, and, products. For example I haven't, actually launched this yet but I'm going to create a new template because, I so not everyone, can afford a custom, logo. Or, a custom ebook designer anything like that and I. Kind of want to be as accessible as possible with, many different people especially. Because my audiences, at, my target audience is, most, we small businesses, when. You coming up Lord do these ideas and stuff to find it difficult or I don't know you I find it easy I don't to. Keep on track and stay. Focused on what you work I can struggle sometimes I'll admit I can, hyper focus, some days and so. If I ask if, I've already come up with the idea for example and, I know exactly what I want to do I can, just focus on that and I actually can work quite quickly but. I've had your clients in the past where, it's been maybe a bit more of a difficult breeze, or, maybe. They have not known quite what they want to include in it so I've had to be a bit more generalized. And. When. I'm struggling to come up with an idea I do everything but, work. On the idea like I'll go doing some shopping I'll, go up on the Washington I'll. Clean, the pots like anything, that I can do to not be working on that project because. I can't think of an idea it annoys me. So. How do you overcome it like obviously it's your source. Of income when you're responsible, for that, like what do you do so usually actually taking, myself out of the task help, and. Doing the things that I joke is procrastinate, and do actual help because. My subconscious, kind of works. Out whatever, it is I'm struggling with. So. If I if. I can't figure out the. Right color scheme for example I'll, maybe do some Hooven a bit whatever it is I feel like doing at the time and then. Everything, off but after a while so, no but, the 10 15 minutes, sometimes longer, my. Brain was kind of go boom have you thought of doing that and then that'll be the perfect idea when I'll move forward with it but. Taking, myself out of that stressful, situation, because otherwise I just get myself so, wound up and so. Annoyed that I can't do it perfectly straight away, that I. Ended up making myself worse in the long run if that makes sense so, it's. Better than me kind of like take, a step backwards, and then. Come back to it with fresh eyes that's, really good, advice I think it's applicable for like quite a few scenarios as, well do. You ever find that being, autistic, hold. You back aside, from reaching. Out for clients with blogging like is there any other ways that it has been plication and the way your own business I think, sometimes taking. Risks, I am. NOT a person, steps out of the concert not very much so, I, think, unless I know exactly what it is I'm going to be doing I get.
Really Really anxious and, we'll, put off doing something it's, almost like I said on, what end is that so. Like on your run knowing, where you want to go with something or unlike it does not fit unit you're coming in not, having a full brief. Or information, about it most like when I don't have the full information about Glee if. I don't know exactly what I need to do it's. Like I said was reaching out for example I don't, know exactly know what the social rules are like. How do i word this is this polite you know these smile officials, because, otherwise people think you'd be rude and yes if you don't use smile of innocence the can't understand what you saying it's really complicated, to. Me and. So I'm sure to other people it's like oh that's just common sense, kind of it I'm like I don't really get, that but, I don't. Have that script in my head, yeah. But. There. Are ways I can get around it I'm. Part of a few memberships, specifically. For like small businesses, all blogging. And the things. Like templates. I'll ask other people like what, do you do in this situation and. Then. I like out like scripts, if I don't know exactly what to do I'll, ask either someone the membership often when I'm friends with and. It'll. Be a case of write the way I do it is I send. This email I say this is Miss if they don't get back to me in a week then, I'll send this follow-up email and then, if they don't get back at all then I'll not do anything else you know you kind of like get a wider mountain. Fumes I'm, different things and then try and like pick out what's most common or what works for me and that's. Been quite helpful in trying to get past okay like that fear because, if I don't know what, to expect I just won't do it where. I can kind of kind, of come up with a script off then at least I know like the big idea what might happen and it can push, me forward just a little bit enough to do it sometimes, I better, love others like comfort, and meeting right I'll give it a go yeah I'm trying to get into the mindset of what's the worst that could happen but, having, that it means my brain can tell me everything that could go wrong so. Have, you thought of like any, times where. You noticed it's giving you the edge men. Where's so, one could say is real life and one that's not. Real life I am. Fantastic. At. Like. Spotting, things to let you know if you pull like shoot again I can. Stop when opponents, are or things like the old professor layton game I'm, quite. Good with puzzles and riddles and, things so. I feel quite easily. My boyfriend plays or whatever witcher 3 at the moment because, we in, love with the Netflix series we've gone back to playing that again and you. Have to spot things with your Witcher sense and it turned the flashes up red and I. Can spot them when he can and it's, just like yeah over there you need to go about with a heads. Up like real helpful to. Him at least does. That skill lay. Into business, a soul or is it just I'm, a singing partly. Sick gamer partly. It, does play into business, and, partly. When I had a job and. There. Was one, instance where, there, was a very important, file that, had just gone missing, no. One had any idea where, it was where, it had gone I didn't even know who to feed it was and and, I'd already finished all my tasks that, was like I was meant to do before dinner I said, well I'll have a look you guys got your tasks I finished. Mine let me have a look see if I can figure out where it is and. Because. I kind of think outside the box, oh the, way I would is I don't have a box at all. Yeah. I just kind of like thought well it's. Probably fallen, down with the filing cabinet because I've noticed that, when I put things away in the filing cabinet before, it. Was a real mess like. There was things underneath. Like. The dividers, and. I'd. Been in charge of like fixing. These up off my own but because it was booking there that everything, was just not ordered on. Me I used, to like in primary, school we have a school choir and I, used to like volunteer, just about my lunches. Putting, together the choir files and, if we like it's the other files, of like papers, for everyone and teachers like do you know when I have lunch like no I'd rather like this yeah I do that all the time like what I'm going to the registers I'll go tied to this up so I don't even go out and play like I love. I used to have, it like every, other day so registers, as well because I would like highly, trusted and. Also, it was like you just, go get the registers like yep I want to go get them. Back. To the like now and I'd alive. And. The file so, find it okay yeah already, excited to open new how method that could get when people didn't put them away for play that. Was like the first place I went to go look and.
Supposedly. These other people had all gone I looked at me smile you. Know they, couldn't find them anywhere and within five minutes because I knew the alphabetical, order and you were roughly, where they'd probably be I found, it right underneath all the other stuff that had got messed up since I'd lost on it and, it was there and, I've. Never seen the, amount of relief when people curses as when, I gave them that file back so day, to day motivation. Wise so that you take a break in the middle of the day and. So. I have, like a normal 9 5 and know that if I don't go in like I'm props gonna get this act how, do you keep yourself moving it's keep your business going and that's like a little is motivation, because this is my passion like. This is my business I'm super, passionate about it the. Problem I have is getting me to stop work I. Am. One of those I'll be up at 7 o'clock in the morning how, working at half seven before viewing public finish eating my toast and don't. Start working to like eleven o'clock at night when I'm in my pajamas ready to go to bed and I'm air trying to get me to actually like switch off on work mode but that's what comes in a lot and he. Kind of like makes me take bricks. What. Do you do when you do switch off I read a lot and play. On xbox. Oh well. I said to dancing when, I was younger. Quite. A lot of different types actually the only thing I couldn't do was ballet account, they didn't fit into their little categories. They could do it. Was Latin and. Charleston's. In particular don't, ask me why but I do want to not get up again what, advice would you give to an, autistic person, wanting, to start their own business, and like what. What. Do how do i phrase it will, go with advice first I think the main advice would be to. Try. And find other people that are doing what you want to do and what does that be autistics, are not artistic, and just kind of like get their advice it, can be really difficult to reach out and talk to them like I know about as well as anyone can we'll be sure to but. Getting, that perspective so you know what clink is really, helpful I mean that when I started, mine it was I didn't really know what I was doing, there's. All these hidden downfalls, that you can have like I mean don't even get me started on tax and hairy math League so, I just my ideas help, but. Getting, help with that is so, important, and like. I've got one of my mentor at the group's stamp. Active and like I the, first time I ever did my tax return I was. Bombarding, the person. At Long's that were just a million, questions and blessed she was lovely with it but. It's gonna clip an actual, like, friendship, with her so. That's, probably another thing to try and, sort, of like build up the friendship a little, now, obviously like that's, and I know a lot of the construction with but. On social media, I've Kirsten found that to be a little easier than, in real life because. It's kind of like a delay so if someone send you a message I can think about it I can look back and have I worded that I should, I use an emoticon, to make sure that they know that I'm like, laughing or filing or something and that. Delay does make it a little bit easier and then, you. Just kind of have to keep at it like I hate, saying that because it sounds like so cliche, but it does get a little bit easier once. You've got over those hurdles you, mentioned, that there are so many like hidden. Things and unsaid, things so what is something you wish someone had told you before, you started. Good. Question my. Ticket. Well. Jade's taking a moment to think of her answer it really. Helped me out and probably, helped a lot of other people out if you could rate, and leave a comment or share. This, episode you, know I spend a lot of time doing this and, you, listen this far so you clearly, liked it if you could. Tell. A friend's tell a friend or if, you have new friends just just drop a comment totally, fine let's, do something support, you know it's nice Oh. I think dudes ready. Sometimes. When you work in with brands and, they. Don't always say exactly what, they mean, so. It, can be oh we want this if. You think grit I can do that and then it turns out that they want extra things or, what. They meant by what they said originally. Didn't mean that and though some kind of like hidden meaning that you might just suddenly understand, no. Just. Like industry, jargon and, not for them yeah and especially if you're working with, like. A specific industry, and it's, like not a blog in industry for examples, like if you're in like. Fun, because, like jump, for example, or if. You're in government. Or, like an industry that's given, advice you. Have to make sure that everything, is very. Specifically, collect. So. Sometimes. What you think you're. Going to be doing is actually going to be completely different because it's, a particular industry, the.
Advice I would give they'd ask. Up. Front. Exactly. What it is you're going to be doing because. Sometimes they can say oh we need this isn't this but, with additional, things they need that I think they just assume you know if, that make them yeah, totally, so, this, is me great thank, you for sharing. Just. Well everything. And I, think it'll be really helpful for people who want to like potentially, start their own businesses, all just want to know a bit more about Block C. Now a good podcast host could use this time to give you a call at the outro, but. I don't know what's coming up next week I've already asked you to rate subscribe and, you know share the episode and, Jade. Was a great guest said that to her I mean I select you know as well wouldn't do it great guys. Like. I've. Taken up with a few time.