Navigation Electronics - Part 1 - Selecting a System - Raymarine, Navico, or other.
hello welcome to sv seeker saving vessel seeker that's the big boat behind me we're in tulsa oklahoma this is built from scratch and we're getting ready to put all the electronics on her and they're right mutt come on let's go do it this is not one of our normal videos we'll have some grinding and welding but it's about electronics that's captain charlie there say hello so we're doing the normal things but what this video is really about is about the navigation equipment that's going on the boat because charlie's an ocean-going captain and this guy down here works the river system so it's a little bit of a combination of their intelligence you have some intelligence right uh only in what they pay for and this young man drilling holes here is extending the sea chest and this is mutt and jeff how you guys doing today think of this division don't do that to my camera get your slime all over it and this is mutt and jeff so we're gonna sit down we're gonna go over the details of the system that we selected for seeker and give you all the reasons why we did what we did and that we spent a lot of money okay because this is the kind of thing you can spend a lot of money on so it's not one of your normal videos if you want to see cut well grind go watch one of the other videos what you really ought to do though if you're not building a boat needing electronics get out in your shop start building something okay charlie and i have been sitting at these damn computers for two days and i've been learning a lot he's been shopping and explaining a lot to me and probably a year this video is gonna be trash right everything changes so quick in the industry right what are the two big companies we've been looking at we've been looking at raymarine and navaco but navico under their umbrella has lowrance right they bought the local lowrance thing right and then they also have simrad and bng and simrad is for motor yachts and b and g is for sailing hats and then they also have cmap cmap is one of their partners for mapping technologies because you can also integrate cmap or navionics charts with all the systems basically oh is that right so when i buy a chart plotter i don't really have to worry about am i limiting myself to this person's maps right i can get cmap or navionics right and now the answer is part of garmin oh okay so they're all in bed with each other anymore right and this is going to change in a year probably and somebody else is going to be in the middle right right and there's all these other little i've looked at you know the diy solutions a lot because obviously it's my kind of thing right because i've seen people out there with arduinos and raspberry pi's and developing their own you know autopilot system and that and chart using the free charts that are available right we're going to skip all that and i guess you don't have you've never seen it and you've never used it right now the diy stuff so i'll take a lot of heat for why didn't you use the diys the reason is this it's real simple i got to launch this boat august 21st this year so i'm gonna purchase a lot of money's going into this the navionics packaged everything the sonars the bottom sounder the radar uh yeah yes the ais system not just the receive but the transmit high-end radio the antennas for gps for the ais and for the ahs radio right and handsets that lets you talk like a walkie-talkie through your vh all that stuff's included in this package and this is like 17 20 000 maybe when i'm finished with this thing so it's a lot of money and it's not the diy approach but once i'm on the water you can bet that hey we've got some time we've got this little project wouldn't it be nice to see if we could hook up a raspberry pi to run the boat and we'll do something like that but not to start with i don't want to go down the m cards which is the river system and learn how to sail the boat a brand new built boat with all the problems that it's going to have and also have the problems with navigation so right i'm fortunate enough i have the money in the bank which is remarkable for being at the end of the bill that i still have money so first so let's look at the systems we bought and well first off we looked real hard at raymarine right and bng and you've used both systems on the water i've used both systems on the water um i'm more comfortable with bng it is specific software for sailing um and the other great thing with b and g is you can take the some of the simrad products we used the side scan sonar right from um vr from simrad and it's actually a lowrance original product which is fantastic for me because it's the same product that i have our product line that i have on the rov right so i'm already familiar with that size scan product and we've put a network switch in so we can actually integrate that into the chart plotter right so we'll have the ability to do that then put that in or the wi-fi network and so instead of having a hard mount screen you'll have your tablets your laptops that you can feed all that information right because the chart plotter itself has the wi-fi output so that puts it onto our boats wi-fi network right or it's even hard-wired you can use cat5 right one up through a steel boat that might make sense to put some cat5 through to get it up to the forward cabin right and then anybody with a app galaxy app tablet apple windows whatever can go to that device and pull up the screen and actually do everything you could do from the console right so you could plot out your your route you can see what the radar sees you can see what the size can sonars and the forward looking one gives you the ability to make sure you're not going to run aground and it's eight times the depth of the water is the what you're seeing forward so if you're in 20 feet of water you're seeing 160 feet out and when you're that close in that shell you're going slow anyway like working in to a a channel in florida i went into one place they had a pvc pipe out there no red no green there's a pvc pipe sticking up out of water yeah welcome yeah so i have a houseboat and it's like left or right of it right toward it i don't know there's a guy that walked out of the museum over there on the shore and he's doing this okay but with forward skin i could see oh this is that he wants me to be on this side so you could you can see what the radar sees you can see what the size can sonar see it's going to be a cool system yeah that's really nice and we do have over the horizon capability with the radar uh we went with the 48 mile so okay we'll have end doppler for weather so that'll give us a little bit of a good weather eye so 48 miles that can't see a vessel unless it was a really big vessel right but it can see the weather right you see your storm cells your your um all your super cells right anything that's high up yeah and it will track it and the radar is good for collision of wardens too right um when i'm doing a passage i'll set my alarm ring at 11 miles right so a sailboat and you got a cruise ship 11 miles you got about 15 20 minutes before you really have to be concerned with the radar and the new tracking software it'll give you closest point of approach time the closest point of approach so it sets off an audible alarm wakes you up yep and then it tells you you've got this much time before yeah you're on top of right and then you get on your ais you look at the ship information you hail them on the radio because collision avoidance is both parties it's just not who has the right of way i've had one cruise ship change direction for me while i was sailing you had a cruise ship change direction for us yeah north of turks caicos the rest of them kind of expect that you're going to go behind them or slow down yeah most your figures don't you speak english yeah you said that bngu was specific for sailing it integrates with your wind instruments and it gives you your wind angle apparent wind angle your lead line you know how much are you losing when you're sailing the weather oh so it gives you a course it's a bullet is pointing but it's actually then will plot your course that you're making right so for a new boat it's going to give us really good information real quick when we set the sails we think we're moving well in this direction it'll tell us how much we're actually being pushed off to the side right so how effective our keels are at this pointing into the wind yeah that's going to be good ray marine does that as well but b and g is just so specific for sailing and the integrations that you can do with your charts your weather you're telling about the autopilot too it does something about sailing to the wind right you can set your sails then you can just say sail to the wind and it with the boat will maintain the wind course if you're sailing with the wind coming over this side right and the wind shifts a little bit you're telling me the autopilot will shift the rudder a little bit so it keeps that same angle of the wind running over the boat yeah single hand sailing that makes it great because you can go down and get a 20 minute nap right and if it changes too much then you'll get alarms it sets off a lot yeah okay if it makes this wind correction and there's a there's a shoal out there that i can't see but it's on the charts does it know to tell me about you'll set your keel depth and your what allotted water under keel yeah on the chuck butter yeah and then once it calculates all that it will give you a cone i don't i've never set it up to do an audible alarm right but it will turn your line red okay is that what i'm like planning my route or is that why you're saying so i just randomly said let's go this direction and if it knows that i'm stupid i haven't looked to see what's in that direction it will actually yeah but this is where i warn sailors yeah do not get glass blind do not look at that chart that chart plotter and keep from looking outside because everybody newer sailors like that glass console right and they get blind they just stare at that chart plotter what is interesting what is it you might see out the window that's not going to show up on the chart plotter uh fisherman small boat okay right so that could show up on the radar not gonna show up already too small targets a small target right um floating shipping container fl yeah trash um you know what you're gonna miss the whales you're gonna miss the dolphins off the bow you're gonna miss the good stuff right so you're gonna forget what it is while you're out there yeah now that's a good point down in antigua we were doing the oyster regatta yeah and we had a baby humpback whales swimming right next to us during the regatta how cool is that that is cool yeah so now we looked at raymarine and bng equipment real closely and the phone call to raymarine was really helpful right immediate got an answer they had a number online you could actually find it and call them right they answered the phone you gave them a description of what it is you wanted they gave you a list of the parts and sent me emailed it to you it was a really good experience it was great experience with raymarine then we tried to go with b and g and the b and g pardon navico is a european company based in england right the only number on their website is your uh england number right here in london so we found a number online called it and it was b g electronics in connecticut somewhere and they said we're getting lots of these phone calls they gave us a number which was bng us virgin islands right then we did a little bit more searching within uh when we finally got a hold of somebody at bng right we took the number off the quote and finally had a direct line it was five or six steps to get a hold of somebody which is not what you'd expect when you're trying to spend 17 000 right now when you go to buy this stuff we would think you could just take these part numbers and stick them into defender or overtons or somebody like west marine west marine and you you'd like a little bit of a discount for spending seventeen thousand dollars at one whack you know so we we checked with west marine first and they have a pro account and you can fill out and act like you're a wholesale distributor and they'll review your account and then i called uh neil who used to work with them he says you'll get about a 10 discount well that's not a lot and who was it was um uh overtones gave us to get 10 right off the bat right but they were really bad about not having it in stock and when we asked them can you order it even though they carry the lines yeah they said we don't stock this we don't stop here we don't want to talk and we got the same response from defender defender until we went up the line you got to say don't give up you know the first one in the like carla defenders like not in stock not in stock we don't know price we don't get no pricing available it's like you know half the list is not there right so it's like we want you to spend eight thousand dollars with you but we're not going to help you spend and then we got the electronics department so it's the moral to the story is keep asking and keep being persistent it's the bizarre world that you we live in that we have to twist their arm to take our money for a product right and we're also looking at b and g that's still out on the uh yeah we sent some emails off of them on friday right and you know here sunday yeah so hopefully we hear something tomorrow yeah so for all of you that think oh you got a youtube channel just ask them to give you the equipment no i have cash and it's still hard to get the equipment so don't count on that being the the route uh will we ask for a discount because we have a youtube channel sure i will this much money but are you gonna get it not necessarily yeah defender gave us a little bit right off the top yeah right off the top and they knocked five percent off yeah and then they're gonna run up to their web purchasing manager to see if there's more available if they get some more and i wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't go to b and g and that's what this whole thing that's that's how i'm going to thank hope this rest of this game plays out if it doesn't i owe all of you out there a big thank you because you guys have purchased our product and watch our videos and so thanks appreciate it now another thing when you're buying your equipment is think about where it's going to be located on your boat i've got a forward scanning sonar that's up on the bow and we're going to put it as far back as we can because our keels will hit ground before we that little sonar thing that sticks out the bottom of the boat but it's going to be right up here in front of the keels it has to be because it's got to look forward and it sticks down and it's about international yeah so i might put some steel beside it just in case you know it hits mud on the mississippi because we're going to nose our boat into the banks so you got to think about how you're going to use it and think about where you're going to put this stuff we found a fantastic place our side scan centers are going to go at the back behind the keels and they're kind of up on the side there's two of them one that looks poor one looks starboard so that's nice dual gives you better resolution yeah it does and then in addition to that too though there is one gadget that sticks down back there and that's the little paddle wheel yeah log yeah and it's got a down looking sonar that just does depth right and it does temperature yeah and then the cool stuff up in the mast is wi-fi and the reason i like that is we send power up to it if we get hit by lightning it's hopefully the lightning energy is not going to go into our wiring system but lightning is a weird thing it's going to do what it wants so when it gets into a cable it could run back down it could blow up whatever's feeding at the power but it's got a wi-fi signal back to the chart plotter so at least it's not going to come to the chart plotter right down its cable into the back it may find a different way in but probably will no there's no guarantees it's lightning it does strange things but that is up on the mast and that um is a little whirly gadget so those whirly gig things the one on the bottom of both one of the masks you can pretty much count those being the fragile points right right they do make one that's up on the mass you know there's a lot of third-party equipment out there um sv delos was showing one that is an anemone or a wind speed indicator that's just three posts and the wind blows through and it uses sound or something to decide where the wind's coming from how fast yeah we looked at that yeah but the margin of error was five degrees that was a lot yeah especially for a boat that's going to use the autopilot to correct its direction based on the wind change right we may we may use that we may not use that something when you're buying bits and pieces you might change to something like that and you always upgrade that later yeah or you know because all this stuff is fragile i mean there's no you're not going to spend i don't i don't under the impression i don't think anybody should be that you buy this stuff and you're done you know for the next never done it never done it's about it's gonna break that's the stuff breaks next time we see you maybe you'll be down here help me install it all yeah oh we gotta get some uh oh we gotta put a mast on the pilot house roof for mounting the radar yeah we'll have to get the height we'll look at the um schematics and the uh templates we'll figure out how high we need to be because we're going to be 16 18 feet off the water right there anyway yeah the pilot house is yeah easily then the idea is not to put the radar dome way up on the mass hey because it's it's you know when a boat rolls the mass moves around a lot and it even though it's a dome it has a piece inside that is spinning right right and they do have compensation software built into the system to take care of that yeah um in rough seas you will see it hit the water and it will show waves etc so they have a um ocean setting on your chart plotter so it'll take some of that noise out it doesn't take all of it out right if you take too much of it out then you see nothing right um it would give you the higher up it is it gives you a better distance that we're going to rise into especially with this one yeah but we're already going to be 20 20 feet up we're high enough yeah and you know what like i told you before i had one sailboat that removed and it was on the mizzen mast it was a steel missing mass right and it was so close to massive and it put a cone out the back that there was no radar and we had a boat coming up behind us that you didn't see it didn't see and the alarm didn't see it no because no vision back there i see that a lot you see that bracket that's on the mast and it puts that radar dome right in front of a mass so you can get around small things but and and aluminum mast you can get around them really yeah and this was not an aluminum mask steel yeah and i had steel masks okay well i sure appreciate having you here though that would have taken me weeks of reading speaking of that and then you know you you your your hands are tied by what marketing tells you right and you fuse this stuff so right and then you put it out there on the internet and you get 1500 different opinions yeah and some of them are from guys that have always been on lakes and some of them were from guys that have always been on ships and so you're actually in the right category for me you're a sailor yeah i pretend you've always come back so far that's right that's gonna be worth something right and i haven't lost anybody yet so cheers you
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