City Council Public Forum & Business Meeting : February 11, 2019 part II
I. Don't. Know where we are in terms of deferring for 60 days we. Have a motion to defer. Motion. And second, is their substitute, motion and, to, defer for 60 days it, was a deferral. I think. The manager, is heard and the City Engineer and the real estate guy I've heard what your concerns are I don't. Think that they're gonna come back until they're ready after addressing your questions, I'm just guessing, at that but I'm pretty sure so, I don't know that you need to put a time frame on it as much, as we know to come back when you've addressed the issue that, either we could explain the design or not. Right. So I'm in favor of deferral, not. Necessarily, for 60 days I'd like to clarify a little bit what the design questions, are if, you could move expeditiously to, let us see this again. You, heard what we've said is. That yes we want to finish this project and yes we care about design and yes, we want you to get and a. Way. To resolve the financial, issue so, those are the three issues on the table all in favor of deferral, please. Say aye. Okay. Thank you very much all. Right the second. We. Have one. More with, the speakers. And. That is item. Number 73. Marcie. And. Steven. Siebert if there are sip zippered. Item. Number 73, is that. That's. Because, this. Is on the wind Hollow pump station, parcel number three I thought, we had speakers signed up but we don't so. Can. I have a motion on item, number, 73. For when hollow pump, station, parcel, number three. Please. Say okay. So, that takes care of our consent, agenda, except. For two items. Without speakers. 33. The. Governors highway safety program. Grant for driving while impaired task. Force and mr., Winston us that this be. A separate, vote so I'm gonna give you the floor yeah. I'd asked miss Harris for, information. Regarding. Their. On the six years, of our. Participation. In this program where, exactly these cm PD. Traffic. Stops well the excuse, me the. The. Task force. Excuse. Me roadblocks or checkpoints. Have been set up and we're we're those have been thinks, she's gonna work on getting. Me. A list of those locations and, where. Those have been at, what times I, did. Have a couple questions for cm PD, in. Terms of how we make. These checkpoints and how we implement them. Thank. You deputy. Chief my. Guess DS is here for specific, questions. See. I thank. You I did, get a bunch of information, about. How. These. Checkpoints are selected. And the criteria. And. Some. Of the kind of policy, that goes, into running these checkpoints I was wondering, if. Is there any policy, as to when. To call one of these checkpoints off. Specifically. If there's any other law enforcement activity, happening in in a set area where one of these checkpoints was, planned on being. We. Do have policies, in regarding, to the checkpoints, when we call them off we, haven't, had up to this point other. Law enforcement agencies. That we're here to fearing, or operating. The area that. Called wanted to be called. Off normally. They would be called. Off due to weather or, some, other large I think, one time we had a presidential, visit became, the, set stated manpower be used other. Places, but. So far that has not happened as you spoke so. You, know we've been having in, certain, areas of our community over the past week this new normal where. We've had, immigration. Customs enforcement doing. Enhance. Law. Enforcement. Operations. In areas, that are heavily, populated by, immigrant populations. And there. Have been reports that they have been reports. I don't know how. That. They're busy MPD checkpoints. In, these areas, would. That be a case. Where the community is on edge where.
We Would might consider calling. Off one of these types of checkpoints. Because. Of the circumstances. Surrounding. Most. Of these checkpoints our main six months to a year in, advance where they would be planned, based, on statistical, analysis, that we do regarding. The alcohol, of alcohol crashes. We had fatal. Crashes speed, crashes etc, they're, usually done during the evening hours between. Say, 9 p.m. to 3 a.m.. Most, of those type instance. That you're referring. To I believe take place during, time of day, - police always reserved in scratch the real the lewd resources. As he, deems fit so. Each one of those would, would. Be, up to his purview, to be able to decide that if something. Like that were to take place - great. Were. There any of, these, checkpoints. Put. In place over the past seven days, I, believe I don't believe so I have to check and make sure I can, tell you this that we every. Check what we do is the, motoring. Public safety. In mind nothing, to do with any other type of enforcement. And we are regulated, by that through state statutes, and through the North line of govern I would save the program, understood are there any other checkpoints. Last. Week. And. Central we're. On central. Ok. When what, when when when, was that checkpoint. Done. For. How long. The. Work doing the job let's just get you up here. We're. Not gonna buy it I promise. Officer. Call for DWI task force I set, up all the checkpoints in saturation, patrols I'm, the one who coordinates, them and then, I look at the statistical. Information and, set. Them up for the police department so. We did have a saturation. Patrol Wednesday. Off. Central, Avenue what is the saturation Patrol. It's, where we bring multiple cars, and. We. Had, 25. Officers brought in a. Volunteer. Basis, or assigned and. We look for any motor. Vehicle infractions. So, headlights. Out. Seatbelt. Speeding. Impairment. Things. Of that nature. And. Then that occurred from 9:00 p.m. to. 1:00. A.m. basis. Often say what day was a Wednesday. Night, basis. For it was we actually had a fatal crash at Central, and lancedale which. Is right up the street within, a week of that saturation. Control and it, was DWI, related, were. You aware of the enhanced. Immigration. Customs. Enforcement. Actions. That were happening in that area at that time that you, set up that and executed, that checkpoint. I. Mean, ask about relation, were you aware. Or. Information. Related, to any, type of enforcement action, by any. Other agency related, to this.
So. She. Festes. Members. Of council, I. Sent. An email a. Couple, days ago. You. Know, when we, were made aware of this increased, immigration customs, enforcement where. We put out a very weak the, normalcy MPD. Response. That we do not. We. Do not enforce immigration or, federal laws. These. Were reports, of this checkpoint that, have since been corroborated. By. Our CMP D that. We. Had never made a statement on that we never. Recognized, and, which. Was continued. To inflame, a. Very. Sensitive. I. Feel like that's not even there anywhere is a sensitive, situation to. Our community, that. I understand, RCMP, D might have been, using it to try to make our community, safer, but. It's something that. Eroded. That it, continues, to erode the trust within, our immigrant, communities. That are highly. Concentrated right, in that area on. Central, and East. Way so, when we make statements, that. Said we that, we are unaware. About. This in and. Enforcement. When. We don't believe the people that this is affecting, when we are silent, about this. You. Know it. Makes it hard, for us to. Execute on these promises, of bridging differences it. Makes, it makes it next, to, impossible you. Know to continue. To, build trust between, the. Most fragile communities. That. We're trying to reach. See. MPD came up with a bigger statement Friday. After, what. Happened happened down, at the ice, facility. But. This is this, is exactly, you know if I didn't ask these questions in, this kind of way on, this consent, agenda item, we, would have never gotten the facts out. To the community, nobody, ever came out and said from C MPD that yes, we were who. Did have a traffic stop right, next to these enforcement's. That were going on we. Claim plausible, deniability and it. Hurts us it, hurts us if we if we're doing these things we, should be straight up and face. Our citizens, head-on. So I hope we. Think about this I hope. We pay attention to, what the community is telling, us and if, we really do want to bridge these differences, we have to listen and be reactive, to. Our community, and their needs and their concerns. All. Right mr.. Driggs. I'm. Sure there are people who will be excited, by your dark insinuation. See. MPD has a job to do I'd, like to read a message that I got from Captain, Waggoner of CA MPD, salad, today. The CFP D conducted, to traffic enforcement operations. At locations, that were selected due to being part of a high injury Network one. In the 8,000 block of Valentine, Commons, Parkway, from 8:30 until 10:45. And, another one at the 88 60 block of Park Road from, 12:15, to 13 45 hours, in. That one the, total number of stops was 95. Violations. Found were 113. This. This procedure, of creating, these high-intensity things, is part of the general responsibility. Of keeping roads safe. And I think the idea that there was some sort of collusion with anybody else it's. Just disrespectful to, our Police Department. I. Didn't. Sense that, councilmember. Winston was insinuating, that there was a collab. Collaboration. Yes, the question pretty pointed what I but, I think, what. I thought. I called, chief Putney the other day and had this in conversation, with him is it. It does create a lot of confusion in the community, when. Something's. Going on with, what. Ice is doing and something. That's going on with what see and beedis doing whether those two things are coordinated, or not it creates confusion it. Creates additional anxiety. Than, what's already there so I called chief funny to have that conversation with him what, I didn't think, to ask him but I will ask you is you've. Said that we've set these things up six. Months or so in advance would. Any other law. Enforcement, agency have, access, to know when and where we are going to conduct those, and.
If Because. If so that would allow them to potentially. Time. Their operations. With. Ours to create that confusion. Would. They be aware of those or would they not have any access to those. Only. Only our partner agencies, which would be no Clara Highway Patrol and our partner agencies, local. Agencies. Here who participate, in these, checkpoints. Or in this case we're speaking of the saturation, patrol not a physical, part, where people stop would. Have access to that so to my knowledge there'll be no other, federal, agency that would have any. Access, to activities. That we would be conducting, and it just we're putting a, predicament here we. Have a fatal, crash that happened the week before so it. Is our charge to make sure that our roadways are safe so, on the one hand we are trying to ensure that the roadways are safe, our motoring, we know that alcohol is responsible, for a, good portion of the 74, fatalities, that we worked last year in our area four, people died on the roadways in, this case it it appears that just so happened there was other federal, activity. Going on at the same time we were trying to discharge our duties I'm, not questioning the value of the work that you guys are doing at those checkpoints, it. Is important, it does keep, our streets safe, it was incredibly. Unfortunate, timing. That. It happened in coordination, not in coordination but in sight. It happened simultaneously to. The. Ice activities, because again I think it does create, a lot of fear a lot of confusion, and it erodes the trust that I know. COPD. And this, entire city government, is trying to create with the community, when, and it feeds into the narrative that see, MPD is assisting, ice and that's not what any. Of us want. The. Message to be or the perception would be and, so I do think that we need to evaluate that when certain circumstances, like that pop up that, while. It is important, that we focus. On those high, crash. Areas or, high whatever, areas that. We say you know what this, week that, might not be as important, as maintaining the trust and our community particularly our immigrant, community and not, allowing that narrative, to be fed that we are somehow partnering, with federal. Agents on. Other operations. And that, we reevaluate when, maybe, deploy at a different time the, checkpoints. Thank. You Mimi. So. As. Council, member winston and Eccleston, have already. Press. Office i, live, on the east side and I have had. Neighbors. Telling, me stories. Where. C MPD had. Checkpoints. And I did, not believe it because the. Statement, that we had put it out there specifically. Said that we don't enforce ice. We, don't enforce federal. Laws. But. I think it does create confusion, and. If it wasn't brought up we. Would not have known that that was the case so. I. Mean. We. May not have a solution, to this right now I think it's, somewhere in there we, do. Need to come up with some sort of messaging, that there were check, points which. Was not coordinated. Necessarily. With the federal agencies, but there are checkpoints. For. Safety. Reasons, that we do this occasionally. And. There is a good, reason for that but. It does create anxiety, and fear in. The community. There. When. We are sort, of out, in the community. When. We hear, that if. We. Get one message from. The. Community, that yes, the MPD is working, with them so, I think it does create. That, confusion. And. I. Do, not know what an answer, to that or. An answer to it. Or. An answer is. The. Timing, is just. Is. Unfortunate. As mr., Egleston had mentioned, earlier. Because. Last week my phone. I'd. Gotten so many messages, from. Immigrant. Neighbors. Being. Concerned about going out of their homes. To work or to even drop their kids off to school and. It. Is our responsibility, as, a council. To, ensure where people feel that. There are parts, of our community, and it's the first-generation immigrant. Particularly. Very. Sensitive, to this topic. Because. That. Anxiety and fear is real. So. We need to do a better job of. Communicating. Some. Of this checkpoints, once it's done but.
Also Ensuring, that our. Immigrant. Community feels safe and can. Trust our. CMP. So. I live in East Charlotte too and I've. Received a lot of the same concerns, from my, neighbors my constituents. They. Explained. To me and expressed their, fear they, also expressed, the the disruption, of their daily lives this goes so certainly within the immigrant community but the community as, a whole so at large, we, had disruption, within businesses, and we. Had low attendance at, our schools so. That's all. Been, corroborated as, far as I'm concerned having. Said that I don't mean to conflate alright, what, your, job is the. The checkpoint, last week with, with, the I the. Ice raids but. I think it's it's it's very clear particularly. After we. Heard, the press conference, from ice themselves, this is the new normal those were the exact, words they, used the new normal. That means it's not going to stop not. At least right now I think, so my colleagues, and I have had discussions. Pertaining to what. We can do in. The interim, I what. We're told is that our. Hands are are somewhat, tied here but. But I would ask you. To be, sensitive. To. This, aware. Of this and. In any way shape or form if, you get any word whatsoever. That. These, rates may. Be taking, place again. You. Know I may, be even right immediately. On at, a moment's, notice on. The. Ice rates you're talking about I think that's not an order for this discussion. I'm. Getting back around to it so the, point I'm making is this if we're talking about checkpoints. Given the confusion, given, the disruption, that occurs in the community with these raids and that will be, that much further exacerbated. With, your as a patient in a checkpoint please, be aware that please, be sensitive, to that and, in the future I mean we're talking about appropriating, money for checkpoints right now in the future as you look, for where you're going to be placing checkpoints, I would ask that you, do everything you possibly can, to be, on top of what they may be doing so you don't come you. Don't further exacerbate. You, an already existing problem, for our community, again. Let's. Be very careful, here. In. Terms, of we all understand. The, issues, that are going on as you said mr. Newton the new normal is here and so, we all have to face that, issue and ever it's not just in policing, it's, in our EMTs, it's in our fire department, it's when people walk in for our services, at all so we are I think, to ask for that sensitivity, is important, but, I think we also need to make sure that we are very clear, and that we've always said, that this is a welcoming, diverse community, and that's our attitude and I haven't seen the police do.
Something. That, would actually, stand. That we all are adjusting, but, I think that we need to be really. Specific, when, we're talking about that so let's, just right. Now we're talking about the, driving. While impaired task, force grant. And we're. Going in a number of different directions that I'm not quite sure that. If you're watching this, discussion. You'd know what we were talking about so I'm trying to be a little bit more, concise, around. Let's, stick to our agenda items, there, we all have opportunities to. Work. With our Police Department, and to, I mean chief Putney, and the entire command, staff have, been very open about, conversations. You know most of you know I'm on speed, though and that's, something that we should consider but, I think that again let's, we, have an agenda item that we need to work and see. We've got I. Think, mr. Winston, and mr. drew on this agenda item please. Well madam. Mayor I would say that this is all germane discussion, if, you look on the responses, to the questions of the consent, agenda item, it will it talks about how checkpoints, are selected, and. That is relevant to this, grant as this grant does go to funding, these checkpoints, so I think it's relevant for any council, member to ask about these checkpoints, and and and, and and the criteria, that goes into it in the surrounding, nature so, I. Has. Been relevant, to this specific, consent. Agenda item, and I, would encourage us to continue to. Question because, that is what we were elected to do. That. Is our job that is our job to guide the city staff on how we want our city to be run and. That is what we are doing right, here right now I'm. Sorry that is inconvenient. Or confusing, or, whatever. But. You know. I. Don't know. All. Due respect mr. Driggs he mentioned, about what's happening, on, district. 7 but, these new. These new. This. New normal as was told me by the assistant field director. It. Carries. Levels of consequence, that are inequitable, around. Different parts of town so district seven will not feel this the, way district 1 the, way district, 5 and. A wait and and on other districts, will feel this so I understand. That. The concerns, in district, 7 may be a little different in different parts of town and vice versa but. We should recognize that, the inequities, that we that, we that, exist. In this city are not. Just a. Subject. To land use decisions, they. Are about police policy, they are about federal policies, and this is what we're dealing with right here right now you mentioned, that there two you mentioned two different, types of checkpoints a DWI. Checkpoint. As, well it was a. Flow. No. Saturation, control saturation, Patrol are there any other types of checkpoints I, could. Write here actually two the. First I've heard the term checkpoint, falling, about there wasn't their checkpoint on the day that we're, discussing as the saturation, patrol separate. And apart from the checkpoint checkpoints. Where people are stopped every car stopped, every. Car is questioned, every single car saturation. Patrols where they go. Into an area with, an increased, presence in this case based on the fatality, we had the week before that's. Point one point two that. This took place between the hours of 9:00 p.m. and 1:00, a.m. I believe this, enhanced. Ice thing, took place during the daytime hours so. I do, not believe that there was I, don't want to make you constrain I can tell you it was all hours that's what the assistant field director told me that it was it was a week-long event. That. At. That point in time at about, 12 o'clock on Friday 200, people I've, been arrested statewide, where normal is about 50 for an entire week so this and and this new normal will be something that will, continue. Yes. Sir further, the second point we I want to make it clear we don't have information. As to when these things are going to take place you, know. We aren't forewarned. That hey we're gonna have this tight incident. To take place so. It's as if I just, wanna make clear we, don't have foreknowledge and then decide we're gonna do it anyway so. We understand, the issue we have knowledge from the community, that on Wednesday at nine between 9:00 and 1:00 a.m. did see MPD have any, type of knowledge from the community, or. Observations. From patrol units that these types of activities were, happening around, this around this area, nothing. I was aware of once, the operation, was already in place I can. Tell you the. Information. And concerns that ever brought up or Balaton we understand.
Are. There any members of the Fraternal Order Police in. Here right now are you any, of the uniformed officers here remembers the Fraternal. Order of Police. Is. The Fraternal, Order police organization. For all, law enforcement officers. Including federal, law enforcement officers. To join. Okay. Now that we know that we are in this new normal and we know. About. What is happening. I'm. Sorry what's your name sir I forgot I forgot your, name is T's no I know you mean. The. One who's running these these, checkpoints, and I'm sorry. Yes. Do. We have any type of policy, in place as we're just termina, as we go in through this policy, that. Would, call. Off these. I'm. Sorry either, these flow operations. Or checkpoints. If. There, is knowledge of, enforce. Its. Enhanced, enforcement by other law enforcement entities. In the area we. Do any member of the, command. Staff or chain of command can move, any police operation, due to any type of interference. Or a decision to be made otherwise well, mr., manager I would like to have a conversation with, with. I think we should have a conversation with. Chief Putney, to, determine policy moving forward in these new new, normal times because of course none of this policy was. Determined, within. These new normal times to to, continue, the. The mission. Of bridging the difference. And and. And bridging these gaps and, serving, off-menu making sure that, everybody does feel safe in our community because the, current, policy, will. Not ensure that in this new normal. Wow. For. One I'd like to point out that my reference, the district 7 was meant to illustrate the fact that these were occurring, everywhere in Charlotte, and we're. Not being targeted into a particular area. What, we're talking about right here is whether or not to accept money to help fund a program that, is meant to address DWI. All. Right this has been politicized and, distorted, in, a way that undermines, the ability of see MPD, to do their mission their, basic, mission is to ensure public safety and if, you look at statistics, on deaths on the road deaths, from traffic, accidents, are a key part of it this, helps. Us to fund our. Program. For safety on the roads and. The. Thing that's ironic in my mind is that, if we, had any indication, that, see MPD, was talking, to the feds in order, to coordinate these, activities, on the roads what, do you think the story would be then Wow, you guys knew that they were going to conduct a roi raid over there and you didn't do anything about it you let all those poor people get scooped up by those bad feds this, is a no-win situation here.
And The logic is utterly twisted, I hope, we can support C MPD, in its safety, mission which is what this number is about and we can give the taxpayers, the benefit of a little bit of a relief of the cost of conducting these operations, thank, you. Because. I, don't. I think we're in a dangerous point right now where emotions. Are high in this community, there's, a lot of, justified. Reasons, for that and sometimes. People walk away with false, information that just makes things worse so, we're about to approve a grant for, DWI, and we've been told crystal, clear that, these things are placed, based on data they. Are placed six to 12 months in advance they. Do not have knowledge on where ice is going to be and ice, does not have knowledge on where they're going to be so, anyone, who thinks that we've got some big aha, moment, we caught you that's suddenly, correlated, or it isn't that is not the case whatsoever, from what we've heard today and don't make that thing we don't care and are just, as concerned about the anxiety and, the fear that is out there but we are City Council, and just, like City Council, or County Commission, or School Board we, all have our lanes and where we need to focus we, can speak up and champion, certain things but, when, we talk about this new normal we. Have to look internally, when we played in other lanes trying to make a broader point like, taking away 287g. To, realize we're in this new normal today, because. Of that action, when in when in effect they, thought that we were going out there saying no to Isen reform. Immigration. What, happened, now is it took it out of the jails and into, the streets and we're seeing that as a direct ramification. There so when we play outside of our lanes to make points it, can have dangerous consequences for. The very people we are trying to help move. To approve. Any. Further discussion. Okay. Thank, you all right the next item on our agenda. Thank. You madam mayor members of council city. Manager my name is Franklin Keithley I'm here representing, the board of the Charlotte running club we're, a volunteer led organization, whose mission is to build a strong and healthy community, through, running our. Four hundred-plus dues-paying members, much, like the rest of Charlotte's running community are extremely, diverse group, of people because, of that we don't weigh in on many political issues instead. We advocate things that unite us in the cross Charlotte Trail and South Charlotte connector both some of those issues you, want a first state that we use Charlotte running club fully support council's decision to, move forward with the funded sections of the cross Charlotte trail and has affiliated projects, that, decision starts tonight and we urge you to award construction, for the South Charlotte connector. People. Who get up at 5:30 in the morning in January to go for a run don't have much trouble making it to the polls in November most. Of our membership along with 76%, of Charlotte residents voted in favor of the transportation, bonds in 2016. As. A three million dollar budget item the South Charlotte connector was specifically listed in those bonds as a project separate, from the cross Charlotte trail, by. Voting for those bonds we voted for the South Charlotte connector the. South Charlotte connector is on city-owned land it, will cost less than the three million dollars budgeted for the project, it will connect residents, from the little Sugar Creek Greenway all, the way to McMullen Creek for moc we pretty can make, McAlpine Creek greenways as well, by. Completing the small project next year's residents, can run bike or walk from Marion dole park on type olla Road all, the way down to railroad in Ballentine the, South Charlotte connector connects more miles for.
Less Money than any other section of trail this. Is a no brainer to build and a great start for the cross Charlotte Trail as a whole now. Me like many charlatans, are still a few miles and a few too many busy streets to actually get to the 500 the trailhead by anything other than a car but, I recognize, the South Charlotte connectors importance, to the trail as a whole I also, recognize, we must recognize, the importance. Of completing the entire trail so that all of Charlotte, can enjoy it there's not much more equitable than running almost everyone can run if you can't run you can walk if you can't walk you can roll if, you can't roll you can be pushed or carried. But. We have to we. All deserve, a safe, place for this to happen there. Are health benefits safety, benefits economic, benefits of the trail we want more tourism every, week I feel calls Facebook, messages, for people asking we're in Charlotte they can run but unlike Atlanta with the Beltline Green Greenville, with the swamp rabbit Sacramento, with the American River Trail Durham Indianapolis. Chicago Akron. Knoxville, Burlington I don't, have a solid place to tell them where to go, our. Trails just don't compare to our our peer cities especially. When they're not connected so in, the end we all have a role to play as elected, officials you guys create the vision of what this city should look like city manager you, execute, that vision and make it happen in us, well we just run this city thank. You for moving forward with the process Uralla trail and helping us to do that thank. You alright. Contracting. The amount of 2.3, million dollars to the lowest responsible, bidder on site development, for, the short across, Charlotte Trail the South Charlotte, connector, project do I have a motion so. Moved do, I have a second, second. All. Right any, discussion. We. Just. Go. Around ok, mr. Griggs, so. On this there are a couple of things that I would like to point out to everybody. There. Was an original approval, for 35 million dollars for the cross Charlotte Trail and then. Subsequently. There was a three million dollar approval. For the connector, there, were two separate authorizations. The, 35 million dollar piece is way under water it's the one that we've heard about we're not going to get the thing done that was supposed to happen as a result of that the. Three million dollar connector, is on budget it's. A very valuable little, piece that hooks up about eight miles of greenways, to the trail and, is. Justified, entirely, on a standalone, basis, and the voters approve that thing that connector, we. Need to talk more. About the trail which. Is the 35 million dollars and I. Thought. We have reached a consensus, about how we wanted to proceed there, but my point for tonight is that we can go ahead and do this and not, necessarily, prejudge. Any. Action, that we might want to take with regard to the completion, of the trail and other places so. I hope with the sake of South Charlotte, which gets so little capital, investment, that we're going to be able to go ahead and authorize this, and if, necessary, talk. More about what happens, for the rest of the trail subsequently. But, this is a perfectly, legitimate standalone. Investment, and is. Entirely, justified, and has been approved by the public thank you. On. Top of our. Inability to hold, up our end of the bargain. For, creating a cross, Charlotte trail and, not, sections, of it or this, wasn't, even a part of the original, proposal. Of the cross Charlotte trail this was something that was added later. On so. We should perpetuate, it as being part of the cross Charlotte trail, this. Is an issue of equity. This. Is an issue of health we're, a council that has hung our hat on on. On, undoing. The legacies, of the past of. Creating. Economic. Mobility, and. We. Have. Done some good things I would, argue that some of the some of those things that we have done is easy bypassing.
Voting, YES on asking. The the voters to to, float us fifty million dollars of debt. That. With. Limited. Necessity. To raise taxes, to do that that. Doesn't impede on, on. Our, future debt capacity on. An, it, didn't replace any other types of spending. But. This. Is how if. We vote yet if we vote YES on this we're. Just perpetuating, the status quo of how these inequities, come, about by. Saying we will we, will invest in the aro it's because it's it makes more economic, sense right now it'll be more, expensive to figure it out and that in the places where more, black Brown people live and. Where, people. That make less money live we'll, get to it later that's. How we build a city that is one of the most segregated in, the, nation by not holding. Our own feet to the fire and saying let's figure out how to get it right where we have messed up this is literally something, that we can do right now this. Is somewhere where. Not. To read not too far in the past but in the past a, bad. Plan was voted on and approved. So. If we choose, to go forward on this and we don't say hold up let's. Figure out a plan for the whole trail, let's. Let's, build a nice beautiful trail just, with enough money from, Ballentine. To, Uptown, but, not enough, above. That to have people. Black. And brown people people, that are lower on the economic, ladder need. To run on the streets, in, a less safe, environment. In a less healthy, environment. We are just doing the same thing that got us here in the first place and I don't know how we can be truthful. With. Our public, and. In saying that we are going to be willing to make the difficult decisions. To. Disrupt, what, got us here in the first place so I'm voting no on this. So. From, the very beginning I had, conversations, with our engineering departments property. Management CDOT, and, I asked why is this within our purview building, greenways isn't this what the county does I've, been told that it's because we're. Building transportation corridors. Seems. Like a, real. Liberty with the use of language there I. I. Asked. Of course you know in, that respect why aren't we building them for the areas of town to have the most need, having. Said that I. Do. Believe that this was passed by the voters it was specific, language, on the, ballot, and that's what what. Causes a lot of conflict in, tension, for me I have. A question I don't know if this is something that would be posed to mr.. Rieger I in, our Budget Office, or if this would be posed to the other County or I'm sorry the city manager. What. Happens, I I. Read this and, what we're talking about is approving.
A Contract, for someone to come in I mean it's as if this has already been allocated, all we're talking about is proving to proving. A contract to a lowest bidder what, happens, next. If we were to vote no I mean is this something that that, then you go out there and you look for the next contractor. Or the next person, to come in and build this or is, this something where that money then gets you, know put back into our budget for allocation, somewhere, else what's, the next step on a no vote that's what I'm asking. So. To. Answer your question I think it might depend that we would probably working with the attorney's office on some of the interpretation, of this but I think what we'd be looking for, is what. Is counsel signaling, through their nuovo as I, think about contracts, that have been. Deferred. Or decline there's usually some, my. Mind thinks about like, CBI. Reasons, for example that might cause us to doubt something about awarding a contract so, I think we'd have to infer what is counsel telling us were they signaling through that no vote that would cause us to evaluate the we came back and redid that or, is there something that different that requires us to have a different conversation and, I don't know if there's a legal, standard. That needs to be applied to that as well. Yeah. So just, and follow up so I think what. He. Ends yeah you know this was a decision by counsel on before but you know I, was. Elected and you know before my service but but. I think for me the sticking point here is that this is something that was. Put to the voters and so, correct me if I'm wrong anybody. Correct me this was specific, language, on the ballot, for this particular, piece. Of trail in this particular, amount. So. Councilmember, Newton is my understanding is. That there, is a tie back to a budget, that, was approved by, council that. Outlined, this, is. A segment. So. The tie back is to the budget, correct. Okay. So just. So I'm clear then so. There, was nothing on the ballot that said you vote for this itself. It's, the South Charlotte connector, and we. Will be having you have this much money will. Be allocated to that this is something that has arisen, out, of a more generalized, language on the ballot for you. Know that we have been put over to. Something - this is what you're saying in our budget process. It's. It's my understanding, that. The. It. Was not on the ballot. Specifically. Additional. Language for that connector, was not on a bond referendum, it. Was. Again. My. Understanding is. That it's clear, in, a budget, that, was passed by the council, that. A portion. Of this funding, would be used for this purpose. All. Right. Thank. You madam mayor. So. When, mr.. Jones had. Provided. Us with two options. Last, week at the budget meeting and, I, had strongly opposed, that for. A number of reasons, and, equity, was definitely, one of them it. Was pretty clear that it is unfair, for us to choose winners, and losers. Which. Parts, of our city gets trail and which doesn't. And. The. Plan that was proposed back then last, week. Did. Not propose. Fun. Funding. Options, for Northeast, and since. Then I have had conversations. With our city manager in fact. Earlier, today and I, said I am, not pleased, with what, was proposed. Last. Week and I would like for. Us to figure out. How we can. Construct. The, northeast. Portion. However. Today's. Hold is just, for the South Charlotte, connector, does, not mean that we, are not going to do the northeast, portion because. I'll make sure that, I continue, to have. Conversations with, our city manager and figure, out funding. Options, to. Ensure that we are looking at equity, we are ensuring, that every. Resident has an access to. Equitable. Transportation. And recreational. Options and, more. Importantly, we are delivering, on our promise. To. Voters. Who had approved. This cross Charlotte rail from north to south. So. With that I will be supporting, the, this. Ask which, is for three million dollars because it does provide, connectivity.
And, Transportation. Options, but at the same time as. We, continue, our budget. Discussions. I want to make sure mr., Jones you, figure out a way for us to fund, northeast. Portion because, it. Is an equity issue, as, my, colleague, mr. Winston, Mane's mentioned, but, that doesn't mean we stop what. We have from moving. Forward thank. You. Thank. You mayor, to. The question, mr., Newton asked if. You look at the ballot it's got one paragraph in it right, it says a hundred and twenty million dollars, for infrastructure, it says and, the. Voters decide, whether or not to support that based on budget information. Marketing, campaigns, and and, other proposals. That are circulated, to them so, that they have a basis, for saying, yes or no you couldn't possibly look at the ballot and make a decision about whether that money was appropriate, so, we started our affordable, housing framework so that people would have a better idea of, what it was we were asking them to do and they. Were told in 2016. That part, of the plan was three, million dollars and. I think this proposal is for two point three, for. This connector, which does not form a part, of the trail that was originally, drawn the line that was originally drawn by Charlotte, it's an annex, to it so, I think, the whole idea of rolling this into the option one option two, is, actually. Unnecessary. The, problem, that we have and in order to address the equity the one that we need to solve is how do we take thirty five million dollars, and, and. Leverage. That into, a solution, that is fair to everybody but, you're not going to solve the problem by taking one of the most productive pieces. Of this which is already well down the road and in which a lot of money has been invested some, money has been invested already. You're. Not really going to gain on progress, by taking 2.3, million at this point and trying to divert it we have a much bigger issue we need to address. Thinking. They're. Appreciative. You. Know how. It looked like you know what might, be happening, dinner. Briefing, earlier today, I was, actually prepared, to not support this but. I've gotten more information, just by hearing some, of the conversation, around here number one this was not on a ballot. There. Was nothing you, know no specific, language around. This. Particular segment, in a separate ballot initiative, around and, number. Two. This. Does not preclude. Us from having any future conversations. Around any other part of the trail at all. This. Is probably. The most scoped, out portion, of the whole trail that is remained. Remaining, to be built and, we've learned we learned last week in the strategy session how, we're kind of taking the step back and trying to you, know do more complete project, design work so we can be more informed around cost so we're not stuck, holding this big bag trying, to figure out how to how to do it all, we're. We're. Left with some unpopular, options right so one is how do we complete all of this and, complete, the promise to the voter or to the citizens, at.
An Enormous, cost, and. You, know one is how, do we do that while still, trying to save money so the costs don't continue to have more over. This, segment though, doesn't. Necessarily. Inform, us on anything else as, it relates to the other original, 35, and now 70 something million dollars. That. Was a little uncertain to me until I got in here today so I'm, actually going to support this, it. Does. Connect you know it is a bridge to. Two other greenways it was not part of the original statement, but we're, gonna still be able to have future conversations. Around other parts of the trail whether. That's changing up. The full scope whether that's still piecemeal, and yet we heard the few options last week whether. That's a totally different conversation and direction the council wants to go as we start talking about other parts of the city, this. This particular, segment though I'm. Not certain is, you. Know I'm not sure we're having the right direction where we're talking about equity and that that's, important. Always. But. In this this two and a half of to three million dollars to. Two point three million dollars, doesn't, doesn't take away our purview, later to, have future conversations. Around the rest of the trail so I'll be supporting this. As. The. As. The, district. Substantial. I guess two portions, of the trail, that haven't even been. Some. Money to. Plan and design it, I mean this, proposal, that we, voted on or gave, you direction on last week it's, not being it's. My, constituents, up they're not very happy with, it so, I don't. If. I thought that this 2.3. Million would be some sort of panacea, that. We could rob Peter to pay Paul I, certainly, would do it but it. Does. Not do it I think. That you know I work. And, I'm still working on a lot of different greenways. Toby. Creek mr., haire's Nature, Trail and hidden valid it was supposed to hook, up to it so I think people. I would. Think that this money would be well spent to. Connect something so we could have something contiguous. I think, I think it was 18 miles a contiguous trail. That we could get just, by hooking up a group of greenways, together, so. We. Have to come up with a way at, least some planning, and some design money for sections. 10 and 11. Up. There because. Otherwise we. Just need a plan to. Get. Something. Done up that way and and, just to figure, out a way to complete. The whole thing but I do, think, that in as much as we can we, could use this piece to. Make some connections so, people can start using it I don't know if we stop this what would it mean it would be be having different, sections, of hopscotch no, no, real connectivity. No real trail. For anyone I mean is that what we want I mean that would be equity, nobody. Would have nothing right so everybody, would be in the same boat so we'd be would be we're saying we're happy with that is, that our definition of so-called equity, I mean. So. Please mr.. City manager I implore, you to, help the. North End at. Least come up with some planning money was right now we're only two sections, that haven't even been planned, oh. Absolutely. And, if. Somebody came with. I'm. Going to give you the money but, you still two years I hope because nothing has been put. On paper and planned we're.
Not. Happy they looking for a plan that's, more specific. And more definitive, than just. You. Know markings, painted on the street or whatever so. Thank. You very much. Yeah. So what I gathered, from my line of questioning was that this was not something approved, by the voters right so. I. Thought it was and, that was what what, you know had me inclined to support this and. And then thereafter when I asked, well what's gonna happen, with this money if we were to vote no what, we're being told is it's up to us so if, we're talking about planning, and design for, the North section of this trail that, money could, go to that, councilmember. Phipps it. Could literally go to to, anything I think you know based. Upon the direction we, give staff that's what I think, I heard right, so. And I'm I'm getting ahead not here and that's why I'm, inclined, to now, rethink. What. I was thinking before for those reasons. Thank. You. So. When. I met with mr., manager, earlier, today. He. Knew I was frustrated. So. Very, disappointed in, the options, that were given last week however. He had assured me, that there is a way we could figure out the. Funding, for northeast, portion. Within. Our. Budget. So. Even. With the three million dollars. Even. With the three million dollars for South connector. There would be there. Used to we, should, still be able to find planning, and design money for North East am I correct yes. Thank, you for clarifying, that so. If. I'm a mayor, so. We're in the. Beginning of a process and we started to talk about that. Can the. Construction. Of the trail and even, in my memo, to you about, the next 30 days you'll, see at the next budget. Strategy. Planning. Session, workshop we'll. Talk about actually financing. The, CIP as. Well, as Public. Safety and some some other areas so, where. We are right now is, we're, looking at every, project. And. Scrubbing. Those projects. To, see if there were any balances. Left Oh from, any project, and we have projects. My. Decade ago, we're. Scrubbing those those, pots so we also each, year we look at air capacity so, if. We start to look at segments. 10 11, the only two segments, did do, not have any. Planning. Or any design. While. We wow the, number out there has been 19, million for those two segments but again because, there's no planning you know design we don't think an on that but, if you start to think about planning. And design being 10% of a project, we're. Talking, about something. Less than two million dollars to, begin the planning in the design of segments, to the 11, and. I commit to that okay. And so even with the planning, and design of segments, to the eleven it's a two-year process because. We haven't started but we need just. The heart the, planning, and design for, the last two segments. So. Next I have mr. Bukhari. My. Turn now yes I'm sorry. I, I. Think I, think, it's important, for us to remember all. That we've learned in this unfortunate, situation over. The last several weeks is that we're presented, with a challenge, of. That. Has three options proposed, by the manager, and staff that can make 18, miles of continuous trail. And. An. Unidentified, amount. That isn't even close for. You to be able to tell us a figure but we've also made the same promise to the community that they need. The same kind of amenities and connection, is all this so, the only thing I'll say is that, shovel. Readiness, is what got us into this problem in the first place on tonight's, agenda there's, a shovel ready option, that, is for this amount of relatively, small in relation to the other dollar amounts, project. That is shovel ready that can get going and that we know what those costs are going to be we. Are just, almost a certain with, the other two projects, that make us the eight continuous, miles, so. We. Have a tough decision to make both tonight, which isn't, that tough to me I'm gonna support it and when, that other project, which is just almost an inch above shovel-ready gets, there what. We can't do is say okay, well this was shovel ready but I'm gonna take that money and go back to to ideation. Mode for, something that isn't going to be done until 2024. That's. That's where we got that that's how this all was what we'll scooped out in the beginning so I don't know what the solution is but I know that we, made a promise for a dollar amount from taxpayers, today that, we need to figure out how to make that as much of that prom as possible, for, as much of that money or finding, money or reprioritizing. Or creatively. Using Opportunity, Zones or, using, kind of opt-in. Msds, or whatever it might be to, fund the whole thing at that level of impact to taxpayers, but if we go in a route where we say well let's go over here to something that's not at all shovel, ready and start throwing darts at it that's, how the folks in 2011, and 12 that we're having this discussion got, us into this nightmare to begin with shovel.
Ready Has to be the key when, we move forward on all this. I. Would. Like to request a, chronology. Of spending. On the trail thus. Far in terms of what was originally budgeted, for. Each section that's, been constructed and, and, what was spent, because. As, I can remember initially. A lot, of emphasis was placed on the little Sugar Creek Greenway. When. We first got started and. I'm. Just curious as to if, there, were any kind of you know overruns. With new things added that, might have taken away from. Some of the funds that might have otherwise been spent. On planning. And design so, if I could have if we could get a chronology. Of the. Scoping, and what's, been built how much it was originally, budgeted what, was actually spent. On. The trail that would be helpful to me. All. Right mr. Winston, again, this is equity issue that we should not take lightly I'd, like to make a substitute motion to send this South, Charlotte connector, as well as the cross Charlotte trail to. Transportation and planning committee where. We can discuss options and and pass forward to. Produce. A whole trail as was promised I. Want. To find a solution to this but. Continuing, the status. Quo of Mills in an equitable City is not okay to me and I would implore my colleagues to, not let it be okay with them. Second. We'll go back to the main motion for, adoption. The motion to approve the. Contract for the 2.3. Million. Across. Charlotte Trail the South Charlotte, connector, all, in favor please raise, your hand for. I-78. All. Opposed. Would. You like would you guys like to just, keep plowing on through to the next item we. Are now in our policy, agenda. Report. Yes. Mayor council, my report is in the 30-day, memo that I alluded to earlier which. Just sets to have some of the topics we've, discussed, over. The next 30 days. Maybe. The next major, reference. To a great opportunity, opportunity. And. So, maybe. The month of. Discussion. Councils. Been having okay, forget, will do. So. The next item on our agenda is, item, 14. Amend. The city's Council's, resolution. On boards and commissions to adopt a revised resolution. On boards and commissions amending. The section on residency, requirements. Boards. And commissions, we had a, presentation. On this at our strategy, session, and on. February, the 4th Inc House vote at nine to two to, remove the voter registration. And just require, member. County, residency. With. The remembering. That two boards are exempted from this change. By. Mr. Mitchell, any, discussion, we have speakers oh that's, true we do have a speaker, mr. Spencer. The. Next item for your term February. We. Have a speaker Adrienne Martinez, and then, is Gina never, auntie Brett.
Neva. T here okay. So we have miss. Martinez, you have three minutes thank for you thank. You good. Evening mayor and city, council members I'm here to speak on as, you mentioned, the topic of boards and commissions eligibility, requirements. I, am a resident leader, in the, community. Of bright walk which is in, historic double oaks community, district, - I'm. After. Hearing the latest episode, of our MD in the QC I understand. That there might, have been some confusion around, the impetus, of changing. The requirement, from being a registered voter to. Being, a resident of. The. County of, burg and I. Can tell you from the point of view of the intercultural, relations. Subcommittee. And the CRC. Which. I'm a member of that. This is not an effort solely, to offer opportunity. For. Individuals. Who do not have US citizenship, to serve on boards and commissions I, am. Glad to know that some additional, individuals, who, would benefit from this change were, mentioned, in the council's discussions, such as people who may have lost their right to vote while. Incarcerated and, yet, to regain it, others. Who may not have been named our residents, experiencing. Homelessness, I'd. Also like to remind the council that as unfortunate. As it may be voter. Suppression is, a real occurrence, in the state of North Carolina and, Charlotte, is not immune, I, believe. We can name at least a few tactics that have been used to block voter, registration. Additionally. According to the North Carolina State, Board of Elections there. Are just over, 700,000. Registered voters, in Mecklenburg. County, and the, adult population of. Our County is estimated, to be a little over 800,000. That. Means there could be at least a hundred thousand, adults in the county, who are not registered, to vote or roughly 10 percent, are. You willing to possibly overlook, upwards, of 10% of, the voices in our community. Finally. Since. The idea of a non citizenship. Non. US, citizenship. Was brought up let me offer you some examples. Of who that includes. Permanent. Residents. International. Students. And. Others. Living here on special visas, that are possibly, on the path toward citizenship. And yes. Even, residents. Who may not have lawful right to be in the US but indeed are members, of our beautiful city pay. Taxes, and who also want to have their voices heard if, we. Truly are a welcoming, city, we. Need to ensure all of our residents have the opportunity, to be heard and improve. Their community, through serving on a border commission thank. You for your time in reviewing. This matter. So. Is there further discussion, mr. Driggs. And mr. Phipps, so. I, wanted to point out the population, of Mecklenburg County is actually over a million oh. A. Dolt thank you. So. When I first heard about this I thought the point was that, people, shouldn't have to register to vote in order to be able to serve on boards and commissions and I'm absolutely fine with that and then. We got a little further into conversation. And it, turned out that now it could be that people who are undocumented, could also serve on the boards and commissions, and to. Me that changes, the tone of this considerably. I, know, that the National immigration, situation, is a mess right now and that, there are a lot of people who live in uncertainty. And limbo and they're understandably. Unhappy, about that but. At the same time we have sworn an oath to uphold the, US Constitution. And abide by the laws of the country and for. National security and economic reasons, we can't just throw the borders open and not. Worry about who comes in there needs to be some sort of control, so, the, situation, that we have is not good the alternative, is not to just kind, of stop. Asking, who, might be here or whether. They are here properly. Charlotte, is a very welcoming, City. I think we, know that we, our. Police Department, does not actively enforce immigration laws, and we.
Do Everything we can to make people enjoy their life here on the, other hand undocumented. Immigrants. Are in fact in current, violation, of federal law and, allowing. Them to participate in, government is not the same for, example as taking, in past offenders, who have served time and paid their debt to society, they. Are actually, currently in violation, of the law by being here and, and I think that we should not just sort of brush that aside as a minor thing you may not like the law and. The. But. The need for a law can't. Be disputed and I would remind people that during the Obama administration there, were 2.4, million deportations. A year it's not like this is a partisan issue national. Security requires that we have some control over who is here. We. Can't avoid, inflicting. Hardship, on immigrants, and I think we should so, there's no question, that while this state of limbo exists, we should do everything we can to avoid, any, kind of specific, hardship. At, the same time I don't think we have to roll out the welcome mat either. To. Do so effectively, sends, out an invitation to others to circumvent immigration. Laws and just make their way to Charlotte. It's, also unfair, to, those who have respected, our laws and go on to the trouble of establishing, legal residents, here and I know about this because my wife is one of them she's a naturalized, American she's. A UK subject, and it took her five years to, gain her US. Citizenship. So. I can't. Support the idea that we could have on our boards and commissions, participating. In our government, people who. Are here in violation of federal laws I hope, that the laws, will be clarified, and that, we will to get out of the situation that we're in right now which is an unhappy one for everybody but. I absolutely cannot, endorse this and therefore. I would like to make a substitute, motion or, an amendment to the motion, and propose.
That We insert in front of the word resident. In Section four the, word legal, and. That. Would expand the participation, in boards and commissions, to include people who haven't voted registered. To vote but. Would not also make. Allowance, for people that aren't even in the country legally. That's. A substitute, motion, yes. Registration, requirement. I will be interested in knowing then. How, what. What, protocol, the procedures, with the clerk have to. Confirm. Residency. Status then. Do. We have a do, we have any protocols. Verification. Marron. Counsel mr. Phipps in reference, to that. We would would. First. Of all employ, the going. To the Board. Of Education as. Verification. If, we can but we also would. Leave. The. Responsibility. To. The individual. To, provide us documentation. And, verification. Of their current address. That's. The process that we've talked about. As. Much as it's been mentioned talking. About citizenship. Do, we do we have any requirements. Right now in our policies. Do. You have to be a US. Citizen because. I would want to you, know we, are we, transform. Transforming. The clerk's office to be like you. Know checking immigration. Status, or something as a part of the boards. And commissions, application. Process, a. Rhetorical. Question because we all know that the color can check all, of those that. Status and well I mean if we insert I mean there's mr. Driggs is, substitute. Motion if we insert legal, in that legal. Resident, how would, how. Would we, expect the clerk to be, able. I. Could. Just take a moment and, it's. Really a difficult. Thing because, if, you look this resolution was adopted in 97. It's been amended and never. That, I can confirm with the clerk's office has, there been any, visible, way of checking. What. You are or what you say it's a self-selection. Except, for those boards, where, we have background checks, the. Thing that I really. Worry about here is that there. Was a time that we didn't have anything except, check to say you lived here and the, world didn't fall apart, we. Didn't have a bunch of people running in and saying well let me hurry up and serve on something, these are advisory, committees, that should reflect our community, that, means anyone that defines themselves as a part of our community they, are not in charge of laws they're, not going to make any I wish they'd come and sit with us at nine almost, ten o'clock at night but they don't so. In my opinion, the idea, that we try. The. Letter that I letters. I've got and I've been from people that. Have, you, know all of those requirements, that you have here, and that. Are met they're here and you could say legal resident, but, just imagine checking. That box every, time is that I just go back and say we've, been doing the city has had a lot of advisory, boards for a very long time and the willingness for, people to serve is very, important, and we've, not ever had an incident, as a result. Of someone signing, up and saying that. They were a. Resident. Willing. To serve that we would say no to in, fact, many of our task forces, are structured. So. That we can have that kind of dialogue and communication. I. Just, really think that. We're. In a hypersensitive. Period, of time, and we all get on edge about this but I think in the scheme of things out. Of our 30, plus, boards, with, maybe five, to ten people on them we, have a tough time getting people to come in and be willing to do this and and, I say, let's. Make this. Advisory. Effort. Reflective. Of the community at, all points, so as much, as I agree, I think that our past history. Has. Really just said people, that, want to serve should be able to serve people. That are in this community and, live. In it help us be better so. I would hope that the council would support, the. Preliminary. Vote that we go remove the voter registration, and just require that, you check your Mecklenburg. Residency. So. If that is, there mr., vicario mr. Mitchell yeah I was, just comment I just want make sure everyone remembers that when. This came up for a vote and I glanced, up randomly, at the screen and saw the, the wording I was. About to support it vote until a couple of my colleagues said this, is so we can have undocumented. Immigrants. Be able to serve and that's when I was like well I didn't even ivenn, support, of letting anyone who wants to serve serve. I'm not in support of, proactively. Going out of our way to thumb. Our nose at, other parties, because that has unintended. Consequences. Just. Like we're, asking things from our state legislature. Right now at great, risk to some of us here to go out on a limb and say things like subpoena, power if we, do this I mean it's different to say check a box are you a Mecklenburg resident, and and, we we.
Allow That to happen now we're in another situation where, we've publicly, stated, this is what that's for it's going to compromise things we've been working for for, over six months now on other, fronts that are just as important, to this so, things have unintended. Consequences. Just like 287g. Had, unintended, consequences. And when we go out and try to make a point on something broader that's out of our Lane it's, the very people that were trying to protect that get hurt so. I like. I said I'm. More, anyone. Who's around here having the opportunity to serve until, it gets to a point where it's gonna compromise, what. It is we're trying to do on many other